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Reply #30 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 7:51am

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trying to figure out if the memory is compatible with the mobo / cpu.

Kinda hard to do with stuff that's not even on the market yet... right?

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Reply #31 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 9:23am

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About 99% sure that memory will work, but nothing definitive. Apparently everything will launch on the 9th, so hopefully I can find out then...

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Reply #32 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 9:43am

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I know for a fact that this memory works

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226120

because it's on the ASUS memory support list.IMHO, get that.

I have some more comments, but I'll leave that till tomorrow.

90% sure it comes out on the 9th. That's the launch date according to intel: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52214&processor=i7-2600K&spec-codes=SR00C I know for a fact the stores have them because there's been a few cases of stores selling them early.

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Reply #33 - Jan 5^th, 2011 at 9:47am

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I know for a fact that this memory works

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226120

Thanks

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because it's on the ASUS memory support list.IMHO, get that.

I have some more comments, but I'll leave that till tomorrow.

Ha, for me it is tomorrow... Thanks again for everything

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Reply #34 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 12:18am

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IMHO, get one fairly large & extremely fast SSD. Ditch getting a second small SSD, because they're slower, and not as good value. They're still a very immature technology and some products have/had teething issues... but basically you need one with TRIM, preferably SATA 6GB/S also. I'll try to find the absolute best one... so far the Crucial RealSSD C300, OCZ VERTEX 2, and CORSAIR FORCE series look the best to me. But then again, the Crucial RealSSD C400 is coming out soon which will be even faster and a bit cheaper... I'll link when I found the best one.

OK get:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148348
(make sure to plug this in with the SATA 6gb/s (aka SATA III, SATA 3) connectors....

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233125

or if you want more space

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227686

all will be MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than any mechanical hard drive. All are only fully compatible with Windows 7 (and maybe some updated variations of Linux, 2.6.33 or newer) so only install Windows 7 on it, and access the drive from Windows 7. (i.e. don't install Windows XP on it). Also, do NOT ever defragment a SSD.

Also, there's no point getting a GTX 580 graphics card if you don't have a large screen (>22 inch) running at a resolution of 1920*1080 or higher. If you don't have that then downgrade to GTX 570, get the 120 gb SSD, and get a nice screen with the extra cash IMHO.

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Reply #35 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:12am

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Hmm, something to think about... I'm on another forum and guys there are telling me to forget about SSDs but they don't explain why.

TRIM, there's a new term. I looked it up... not sure what it said. But I'll keep an eye out for that feature. The current 120GB I'm looking doesn't mention it. MMaybe that's why it's only $215

Do you know the advantages of SSD over 10k rpm HDDs? Besides Noise and heat? I'm getting conlicting info "searching the net" about transfer rates of SSD, 7200-HDD and 10k-HDD. Something about the SATA capabilities...

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Reply #36 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:24am

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4 vs 6 core...

If I'm understanding correctly FS9 and FSX don't really utilize multicore very well? My searches aren't coming up with anything. Do you know any links?

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Reply #37 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:30am

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Skittles wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:12am:

Hmm, something to think about... I'm on another forum and guys there are telling me to forget about SSDs but they don't explain why.

TRIM, there's a new term. I looked it up... not sure what it said. But I'll keep an eye out for that feature. The current 120GB I'm looking doesn't mention it. MMaybe that's why it's only $215

Do you know the advantages of SSD over 10k rpm HDDs? Besides Noise and heat? I'm getting conlicting info "searching the net" about transfer rates of SSD, 7200-HDD and 10k-HDD. Something about the SATA capabilities...

Almost everyone that I have talked to regarding Solid State Drives has told me that they are worth it as they improve system boot times, and overall system responsiveness dramatically. It should also theoretically lower stutters and load times within FSX. The disadvantage is the huge price premium they have, of course. I have not, however, tried a SSD with FSX, so for FSX specific information you should talk to someone who has.

I have, however, used a SSD with Windows, and it is much faster than any conventional hard disk.

can compare SSD vs raptor here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3812/the-ssd-diaries-crucials-realssd-c300/1
and here
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3636/western-digitals-new-velociraptor-vr200m-10k-...

(you can compare between the reviews since they used the exact same tests)

SSD murders the raptor in speed, heat, and noise. Raptor murders it in capacity of course.

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Reply #38 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:32am

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Also, there's no point getting a GTX 580 graphics card if you don't have a large screen (>22 inch) running at a resolution of 1920*1080 or higher. If you don't have that then downgrade to GTX 570, get the 120 gb SSD, and get a nice screen with the extra cash IMHO.

I do have 2 monitors, both running 1600x1200... does that make a diff?

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Reply #39 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:46am

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IMHO, get one fairly large & extremely fast SSD. Ditch getting a second small SSD, because they're slower, and not as good value...

Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

This is the one I'm looking at now.

The reason I wanted two is I'm still thinking they operate like HDDs. If I keep the data on the outer tracks of the disk, it loads faster, that's why I wanted my OS and Games separate so they can both be as close to the outer edge as possible.

Is this no longer a concern for SSDs? Especially since they are NOT to be defragged?

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Reply #40 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:54am

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Skittles wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 8:24am:

If I'm understanding correctly FS9 and FSX don't really utilize multicore very well? My searches aren't coming up with anything. Do you know any links?

I think FS9 doesn't use multiple cores very well at all.

FSX, however, does. I've tried this on my quad core system using FSX with SP2. Basically Core #1 was at 100% the entire time, Core #2, Core #3, and Core #4 were generally at 50% to 100% depending on where I was flying, and how fast I was flying. From what I understand, Core #1 runs the sim, the rest run the scenery engine. So, in a word, yes, they do utilize multi-cores fairly well, but not perfectly. So single threaded performance is important, as is multithreaded performance.

Core i7 2600K has the fasted single-core performance of any processor
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i...

Core i7 2600K has the second or third fasted multiple-core performance of any processor.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i...
The only processors that have better multiple-core performance are 6-core intel processors which cost $850 to $1000. Core i7 970, & Core i7 980X.

hang on i'll grab a screenshot.

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Reply #41 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 9:00am

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The i5 2500k seem pretty comparable to the i7 2600k and it's $100 cheaper. If I step down on the VidCard, should I stay with the i7 or step town to the i5?

I'm sorry for being wishy-washy, but I think you understand I'm looking for the most value.

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Reply #42 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 9:41am

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I wanted to take a peek at heatsinks... And before you say I don't need to, I know but I just wanted to peek... They need to be renamed to Cooling Towers.
OMG! Do they even make a case to house this beast?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103055&cm_re=LGA_1155-_...

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Reply #43 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 10:43am

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Skittles wrote on Jan 6^th, 2011 at 9:00am:

The i5 2500k seem pretty comparable to the i7 2600k and it's $100 cheaper. If I step down on the VidCard, should I stay with the i7 or step town to the i5?

I'm sorry for being wishy-washy, but I think you understand I'm looking for the most value.

Personally, I would get the 2600K. It is $100 more expensive, but has the advantage of hyperthreading (probably not a big use for FSX), extra cache, an extra 100mhz, and will overclock further). The CPU is one of the most important components for MSFS. It's your call, the 2500K is also a very good product, and it is better value than the 2600K.

Definitely downgrade to GTX 570, as it is much better value than the GTX 580.

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The reason I wanted two is I'm still thinking they operate like HDDs. If I keep the data on the outer tracks of the disk, it loads faster, that's why I wanted my OS and Games separate so they can both be as close to the outer edge as possible.

Is this no longer a concern for SSDs? Especially since they are NOT to be defragged?

It is no longer a concern for SSD. For some reason bigger SSDs are faster also. I don't know why though.

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Reply #44 - Jan 6^th, 2011 at 10:53am

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I wanted to take a peek at heatsinks... And before you say I don't need to, I know but I just wanted to peek... They need to be renamed to Cooling Towers.
OMG! Do they even make a case to house this beast?

If you think that's big look at this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

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