Simviation Forum - Harrier missed approach

Jun 5^th, 2010 at 6:47am

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A STOL approach that goes a little wrong. He stays with it a long time before going for the Martin Baker flyby.

Time to leave

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Reply #1 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 8:22am

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Watch the video and think about what the pilot can see. He ejects when the flames surround the cockpit, probably got kind of hot in there.

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Reply #2 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 10:45am

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DaveSims wrote on Jun 5^th, 2010 at 8:22am:

Watch the video and think about what the pilot can see. He ejects when the flames surround the cockpit, probably got kind of hot in there.

Well having worked on Harriers for 10 years, I can tell you once the outriggers have collapsed, if that wing digs in, over it goes. Seen it more than once. Just very surprised he stayed with it as it started to go sideways even before the flames came over the canopy.

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Reply #3 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 12:29pm

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Maybe he had a back up plan and that's why he stuck with it so long.

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Reply #4 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 1:33pm

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Jun 5^th, 2010 at 12:29pm:

Maybe he had a back up plan and that's why he stuck with it so long.

What would that be..............Please make that go away, please make that go away, please make that go away Grin

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Reply #5 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 6:13pm

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Maybe he waited to put the handbrake on so no-one could steal the wreckage! Wink

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Reply #6 - Jun 5^th, 2010 at 11:00pm

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WTH sorta seat they got in that thing Roll Eyes

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I saw a stooper-trooper (read stupid crew chief) eject himself out of a parked A-10 while I was delivering munitions to the flightline, he was playing 'fighter pilot' and pulled the handle on an improperly safed seat.

Although he did not stay with the seat during the entire "trip", he and the seat seperately attained way more altitude than this Harrier driver did. And this was in 1981!

I know they hafta have at least an ACES II in them there jets! Shocked

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Reply #7 - Jun 6^th, 2010 at 1:56am

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British Harriers are fitted with Martin-Baker Mk. 9A or Mk. 12 seats. http://www.martin-baker.com/products/Ejection-Seats/Mk--12H---Harrier.aspx

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Reply #8 - Jun 6^th, 2010 at 4:13am

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Also the the MK12 seat makes it's own decisions as to what sort of ejection is required depending on altitude and aircraft speed. It has two modes, a fast and (relatively speaking) slow mode. The difference being, it can put the pilot of a fully deployed chute in (if memory serves) 1 point eye blink seconds and 1.7 or so. It can also be used at speed over 600 knots. It has a clever rigging system that collapses the chute a high airspeeds, imagine the pulsing of a jelly fish and you get the picture.

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Reply #9 - Jun 6^th, 2010 at 9:48pm

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Hagar wrote on Jun 6^th, 2010 at 1:56am:

British Harriers are fitted with Martin-Baker Mk. 9A or Mk. 12 seats. http://www.martin-baker.com/products/Ejection-Seats/Mk--12H---Harrier.aspx

Not as much oomph as an ACES II I reckon? That looked like an awful hard hit that poor guy took.

Two hits! One was in the backside getting punched out, two was the landing. Shocked

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Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2010 at 10:34pm

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Any idea what actually happened? It looked like a bad case of 'oh so that is where the ground is' just before meeting with it. Late to pull up, perhaps late to eject, definately late for dinner.

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Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2010 at 11:23pm

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Forgot about the first 'hit'. Cheesy

The poor guy took three altogether. Cry

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Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2010 at 3:45am

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U4EA wrote on Jun 6^th, 2010 at 9:48pm:

Hagar wrote on Jun 6^th, 2010 at 1:56am:

British Harriers are fitted with Martin-Baker Mk. 9A or Mk. 12 seats. http://www.martin-baker.com/products/Ejection-Seats/Mk--12H---Harrier.aspx

Not as much oomph as an ACES II I reckon? That looked like an awful hard hit that poor guy took.

Two hits! One was in the backside getting punched out, two was the landing. Shocked

How much oomph do you want? The spine can only take so much G. The MK12 seat was specifically designed to try and limit ejection G forces. The Aces seat runs at around 25G, the MK12 is around 14G. The speed the pilot hits the ground is a reflection of the size of the chute. The MK12 has a small-ish chute and as I have already explained because to can be deployed at speeds above 600 knots. Try that with a normal canopy and you will be falling to earth under some very nice rags.

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Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2010 at 3:59am

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machineman9 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2010 at 10:34pm:

Any idea what actually happened? It looked like a bad case of 'oh so that is where the ground is' just before meeting with it. Late to pull up, perhaps late to eject, definately late for dinner.

What happened is the wrong manoeuvre in the wrong country. Sounds daft I know, but let me explain. The Harrier is very marginal on thrust when not in conventional flight. The pilot was performing a very short landing. The video looks like Afghanistan from the amount of Rubs (rubber hangers in the background). So add marginal engine performance to high air temperatures and, well you get this. In a previous life that involved a light blue suit I spent quite a lot of time in a hot sunny country with the Harrier Force for Op Warden. The Harrier could only fly early in the morning or evening due to air temperature conditions and was limited to conventional take off and landing. The moment that this pilot decided to perform this landing, he placed his order for his Martin Baker tankard and tie. Also he was unlucky on two other fronts. Firstly it was all captured in glorious technicolour and the Harrier is one of the few fighters that has an accident data recorder . So a nice print out of his accident at 0,1 second intervals too.

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Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2010 at 9:06am

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Looks like this happened a little over a year ago, based on searching. But I could not find any accident reports.

Anyone gotta link?

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