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Reply #15 - May 25th, 2010 at 1:34pm

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OK.... linklayer technology now shows on one XP machine.

Gotta run.... more flightsim tests later.

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...............john
 

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Reply #16 - May 25th, 2010 at 5:48pm

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OK... the "good news / Bad news" scenario:

The good news is that the XP machine that now has the Linked Layer stuff installed now shows up on the network "Map" in Win 7.

The bad nesw is that the gsuges still don't work.

On now to check the other potential issues above ........ sigh.

But one part of the networking mess is clearly now "down".  So that is good.  THANKS.

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....................john
 

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Reply #17 - May 25th, 2010 at 7:22pm

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OK then as long as permissions for the sharing folders on both ends are set to allow full read/write, bla, bla, bla for 'everyone' and you can open, move files, add files, edit files, or, delete them from those folders from another machine I cant see it being a network issue so at that point I would look at the gauges themselves running from a machine other than W7.

The driver model in XP is different than W7, completely different so there may be an issue because of that.

You could try 'compatibility mode' but my tests show that reduces performance, at least in FSX cant say it does with FS9.. its done by right clicking the FS9 shortcut on the W7 machine and selecting the Compat tab, then select to run this program in compat mode for XP SP3

 
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Reply #18 - May 25th, 2010 at 8:35pm

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So it takes a simpit builder to get your help now, Nick?  There goes my budget!  And my patience!  And what little hair I have left!  Sigh...

LOL...

John and Nick,

This thread helped me with my network connection issues.  I was recently given a copy of Win7 Ultimate by my brother-in-law.  He got it thru his employer when they bought a bunch extra and needed to unload them.  Got it cheap, loaded it, hated it and passed it down to me.

I loaded it (64bit) on my machine, an ASUS P5-KE, Intel Q8400, four gig Ram, all Vrap drives main PC and loved it immediately.  Once got it set up with Nick's Win7 tweak, I got a 5-12 fps FSX boost depending on where I was flying.  Hubs went from having to set traffic and scenery just so to getting VERY acceptable and smooth performance around them while leaving settings same as country flying.  "Out in the country" is smoother and better than ever.  I can now use some of those hd clouds.

But the fly in the butter was the networking issues.  I am running Vista x32 Home on my laptop, a second PC with XP Pro x32 and an old Gateway with Win98 SE for some of my legacy games and software that still entertain me or have some utility.  I used the laptop and XP pc to run stuff a weather radar addon and to run Saitek control panels and gauges.  Til this thread, I couldnt get the laptop or 2nd pc to talk to the big machine after loading it with Win7.  They all work together now.

Thanks guys...Lurking can pay off.

Good luck with you problems, John and thanks for still hanging around Nick.

Nick?  What makes Win7 as configured by your tweak run FSX so much better?  I notice 25-30% less memory usage at idle and about 20% less usage when simming with the extra stuff off-machined to the laptop and 2nd PC.  That it?  Better memory utilization and less crap running in backround?  Just courioser and courioser...
 
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Reply #19 - May 25th, 2010 at 10:00pm

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NickN wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
OK then as long as permissions for the sharing folders on both ends are set to allow full read/write, bla, bla, bla for 'everyone' and you can open, move files, add files, edit files, or, delete them from those folders from another machine I cant see it being a network issue so at that point I would look at the gauges themselves running from a machine other than W7.


Won't have time today to finish re-checking this kind of stuff... but will continue tomorrow.

NickN wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
The driver model in XP is different than W7, completely different so there may be an issue because of that.


This confuses me a bit.  The data, as Peter Dowson says, is being sent out from a 32 bit program on one machine, and sent to a 32 bit program on the other machine.  How do the drivers affect the data stream itself?  Is it an issue of header and packet differences and handshakes?

NickN wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 7:22pm:
You could try 'compatibility mode' but my tests show that reduces performance, at least in FSX cant say it does with FS9.. its done by right clicking the FS9 shortcut on the W7 machine and selecting the Compat tab, then select to run this program in compat mode for XP SP3


I just want to make sure before I might ever try this idea......... can I revert it back simply by unchecking that box?  Or will I have to do a full uninstall / reinstall of fs2004 if it does not work or if it degrades performance to an unaceptable level?

Thanks again for the input Nick.

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....................john
 

... ...Intel i7 960 quad 3.2G LGA 1366, Asus P6X58D Premium, 750W Corsair, 6 gig 1600 DDR3, Spinpoint 1TB 7200 HD, Caviar 500G 7200 HD, GTX275 1280M,  Logitec Z640, Win7 Pro 64b, CH Products yoke, pedals + throttle quad, simpit
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Reply #20 - May 26th, 2010 at 12:38pm

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UnkieDude wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:35pm:
Nick?  What makes Win7 as configured by your tweak run FSX so much better?  I notice 25-30% less memory usage at idle and about 20% less usage when simming with the extra stuff off-machined to the laptop and 2nd PC.  That it?  Better memory utilization and less crap running in backround?  Just courioser and courioser...



What I posted in that list (just like with XP) is a methodology in which each step has defined goal and works in concert with each the steps after it. When people skip items they are breaking the chain and that includes the defrag operations on mechanical hard drives in which step 1 in using the reg edits right down to using the boot optimize tools defines how well the defrag program (with must be O&O exactly as I posted) works

Flight Sim uses a alphanumerical file system in calling files. The goal is to optimize the system so the file calls on the mechanical drives are read into physical memory as quickly as possible and with the least CPU time possible. Since FSX and scenery typically uses alphanumerical name system, O&O is placing your files in a perfect alphanumerical order meaning the head of the drive is hardly moving when it locates a chain of files O&O has placed in name order

As CPUs and video cards and memory amounts/types get better the less impact that aspect of a computer has and of course with SSD you do not deal with mechanical hard drive latency or the CPU it consumes, but most people are not using SSD and therefore the less time a system spends locating and calling files up, the more system time goes directly to the application in use for render.



Read this post about how hard drives work with RANDOM READ performance and how the CPU is effected

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=34799&PID=202329#202329


And yes, we care cleaning the system of the fat, removing the ridiculous overbearing preload of applications that are not needed and giving those resources back to the application in use



I helped John start the build on his new system by getting him set up on the right parts and agreed to try help the transition from his old rig, to the new one as much as I could. John and I go way back and if anyone around here deserved my direct attention before I fade into oblivion, it is him.
 
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Reply #21 - May 26th, 2010 at 12:41pm

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John

The communication should be fine.. I was just questioning the driver model changes between WinXP and Win7 and not knowing the extent of how these gauges work/run between the system and how they are lauched, it occured to me it was possible there may be a problem in that area..   but Pete is correct.

As for switching back..  just uncheck the box and hit APPLY

simple as that  Smiley
 
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Reply #22 - May 26th, 2010 at 2:37pm

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NickN wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 12:38pm:
I helped John start the build on his new system by getting him set up on the right parts and agreed to try help the transition from his old rig, to the new one as much as I could. John and I go way back and if anyone around here deserved my direct attention before I fade into oblivion, it is him.



Awww gawrsh, Nick  Smiley.  Thanks for the kind words as well as for all the help.

The main development guy for the gauges in question is on vacation.  But he and I have been conversing (he's on a beach  somewhere Cool) and he suddenly hit on a thought.  He it suddenly hit hime the state of the gauges looks like it is thinking that the Avionics buss in the aircraft is not turned on.  That would be the "normal" display for that situation. 

In the aircraft I originally tried, which were multiple differnt ones just to prevent a single aircraft incompatibility, all of the avionics were on and functioning.  SO that is not it.  But it is likely a very good clue toward what might be happening.  He hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I am again thinking it is a network traffic issue.

Good to know it is a simple click away to restore it.  Makes me more willing to try it just to see  Grin

Still plugging away when I can.  "Life" is in the way so far today.

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....................john
 

... ...Intel i7 960 quad 3.2G LGA 1366, Asus P6X58D Premium, 750W Corsair, 6 gig 1600 DDR3, Spinpoint 1TB 7200 HD, Caviar 500G 7200 HD, GTX275 1280M,  Logitec Z640, Win7 Pro 64b, CH Products yoke, pedals + throttle quad, simpit
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Reply #23 - May 27th, 2010 at 8:15pm

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NickN wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 12:38pm:
UnkieDude wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:35pm:
Nick?  What makes Win7 as configured by your tweak run FSX so much better?  I notice 25-30% less memory usage at idle and about 20% less usage when simming with the extra stuff off-machined to the laptop and 2nd PC.  That it?  Better memory utilization and less crap running in backround?  Just courioser and courioser...



What I posted in that list (just like with XP) is a methodology in which each step has defined goal and works in concert with each the steps after it. When people skip items they are breaking the chain and that includes the defrag operations on mechanical hard drives in which step 1 in using the reg edits right down to using the boot optimize tools defines how well the defrag program (with must be O&O exactly as I posted) works

Flight Sim uses a alphanumerical file system in calling files. The goal is to optimize the system so the file calls on the mechanical drives are read into physical memory as quickly as possible and with the least CPU time possible. Since FSX and scenery typically uses alphanumerical name system, O&O is placing your files in a perfect alphanumerical order meaning the head of the drive is hardly moving when it locates a chain of files O&O has placed in name order

As CPUs and video cards and memory amounts/types get better the less impact that aspect of a computer has and of course with SSD you do not deal with mechanical hard drive latency or the CPU it consumes, but most people are not using SSD and therefore the less time a system spends locating and calling files up, the more system time goes directly to the application in use for render.



Read this post about how hard drives work with RANDOM READ performance and how the CPU is effected

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=34799&PID=202329#202329


And yes, we care cleaning the system of the fat, removing the ridiculous overbearing preload of applications that are not needed and giving those resources back to the application in use



I helped John start the build on his new system by getting him set up on the right parts and agreed to try help the transition from his old rig, to the new one as much as I could. John and I go way back and if anyone around here deserved my direct attention before I fade into oblivion, it is him.

Thanks for the feed back there, Nick.  Dont want to "hijack" John's thread.  Just started reading thru it and found the answer to some of MY networking issues.  Also couldnt resist asking bout the perf increase with Win7 x64 over my old, but still goody, Vista x64 Ultimate install. 

You gave me some personal help back a couple of years ago about overclocking.  Did it, with help from another good guy, and have had nothing but good perf out of my system since.  Have always appreciated the advice, beleive it!  Though the ram you advised me to buy for ocing died a sudden and mysterios death before Christmas last...Ordered more of it and was back in business.  Original asted nearly three years...So...

My old screen name here was Plugpennyshadow.  Had to do another as I couldnt seem to get the old one back after renewing my membership here after it lapsed for a time.

I shall not...Interfere?...here again...LOL

I'll still bring the steak if I can get a sail on the boat...Just reminding you...

The Evil Unkie has Struck!
 
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