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Reply #45 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 11:58am

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Bipartisan Senate Letter Urges KC-X Investigation

Seven senators from both parties called on the Pentagon’s Inspector General today, urging him initiate and investigation into what harm might have been done when Air Force officials mistakenly handed Boeing and EADS NA each other’s data about the KC-X tanker competition.

Sens. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Jerry Moran (R-Kansas), Charles Schumer (D-NY), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), and Pat Roberts (R-Kansas) signed the letter.

“At a minimum, we know that the IFARA [Integrated Fleet Aerial Refueling Assessment] score was compromised. That is why it is critical that your investigation determine whether the data breach compromises the IFARA adjustment to price, and more broadly, whether the data breach creates an unfair competitive advantage for the bidder that looked at the other bidder’s proprietary,” they wrote to Inspector General Gordon Heddell. “We are requesting an investigation because we want to make sure the Procurement Integrity Act, Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR), and ethics rules have not been violated.”

“Today’s hearing did not get at the core of the problem,” Cantwell said. “The tanker competition is a price competition, and EADS saw Boeing’s proprietary data. What happened here is that EADS looked at Boeing’s IFARA score, which is used by the Air Force to adjust a bidder’s initially proposed price. EADS now has an unfair competitive advantage to adjust its bid to undercut Boeing.

The day after the hearing, EADS NA issued this statement, welcoming an investigation: “We would welcome an investigation by the DoD Inspector General—if such an investigation does not delay the decision on acquisition of new tankers. Scandal and protest have kept this badly needed system out of the hands of our service men and women long enough. We are interested in illuminating unambiguous facts, not in a tactic for delaying the decision process.” That was issued under the rubric of Ralph Crosby, the company’s chairman of the board.

The senators did not mention in their letter that the Air Force ensured both sides knew what data the other side had received, nor that each company could alter their bids should they wish to do so after having seen that data. Instead, they said that it took the Air Force three weeks to implement the “remedy” for the data swap goof.

Cantwell and the others — most of whom have important Boeing plants in their states — acted after this morning’s Senate Armed Services Committee hearing during which very little new light was shed on the consequences of the data swap. Of course, some close observers of the competition argued that little came out of today’s hearing because the incident has had few consequences beyond scaring EADS that it might have given Boeing another reason to protest and worrying Boeing that its bid might well be weaker than it had thought.

But Cantwell and her colleagues put it this way in her press statement: “The two witnesses present could not even tell the Committee how the leaked IFARA score may impact the overall Air Force competition.”

Most of the hearing constituted restatements of familiar themes. Sen. Clair McCaskill of Missouri, who criticized the tanker program as “a case study in incompetence,” repeated familiar arguments that any company that receives foreign subsidies should have that fact taken into account when it competes for a contract. The World Trade Organization, of course, has found that EADS has received illegal subsidies. It has also found in a preliminary ruling that Boeing illegally received subsidies. McCaskill did not mention the fact that Boeing has received American subsidies.

One of the fun moments during the hearing came when Sen. John McCain told SASC Chairman Sen. Carl Levin today that the KC-X hearing should not have occurred, especially so close to the contract award.

McCain was joined in his criticism by several other Republican senators.

Finally, another bill was introduced to influence the tanker competition, this one by the Cantwell and Sen. Jerry Moran, Republican of Kansas. This bill, the Defense Level Playing Field Act (S.189), would require the Pentagon take into consideration “illegal foreign subsidies in the tanker competition that unfairly place American workers at a competitive disadvantage.” No mention of taking into consideration illegal American subsidies, because, of course, they would not hurt American workers — or Boeing.

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Reply #46 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 11:06pm

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Reply #47 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 6:55am

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Boeing to revise bid for US military tanker deal


WASHINGTON — Boeing said Tuesday it would submit a new, "final" bid for a $35 billion contract to supply the US military with 179 aerial refueling tankers, as it tries to beat European rival Airbus.

A Boeing spokesman said the firm and US Air Force officials held talks Monday to discuss the company's proposal and revisions would follow.

"This was our last opportunity to get feedback from the Air Force on our proposal before the end of the tanker competition," Bill Barksdale said in a company blog post.

"Based on this feedback, we're now making final adjustments to our bid, which we will provide February 11 to the Air Force," he said.

The revised final proposal "will represent our best and final offer to the Air Force -- one that matches decades of tanker experience and the best state-of-the-art technology with a proven Boeing airframe to best fulfill the Air Force's requirements."

Analysts expect the Air Force to announce its decision in March on the contract to replace 179 tankers from an aging fleet of Boeing KC-135s from the 1950s.

"As the competition comes down to the wire, our tanker team is focused on one thing: providing the Air Force with the most capable tanker at the lowest cost to the taxpayer," Barksdale said.

This will be the third time in nearly a decade the Air Force has tried to secure a contract for the planes.

At first awarded to Boeing in 2003, the Pentagon was forced to cancel the contract by Congress due to irregularities in the process.

In 2008, EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space), the parent of Airbus, and US partner Northrop Grumman won the bid, but the decision was withdrawn after the congressional watchdog, the Government Accountability Office, upheld Boeing's objections.

The lucrative tanker contract has deep political implications, with lawmakers representing states such as Washington, where Boeing makes planes, and Alabama, where EADS would have an assembly plant, vying for jobs.

EADS is competing this time for the military contract without a main partner, but with support from a number of US equipment makers.

An EADS North America spokesman told AFP that the firm had received the same offer and opportunity from the Air Force to submit a final proposal revision "if we choose to," but he declined to comment on whether EADS would.

The two rivals are proposing a militarized version of their commercial aircraft.

Boeing is offering the KC-767, based on its long-haul 767 plane that entered service in 1982. Dubbed the "NextGen Tanker," the plane is smaller than the Airbus plane and is to be assembled in Everett, Washington, and equipped in Wichita, Kansas.

Boeing says its plane will save $10 billion in fuel over 40 years of service and entail maintenance costs that will be 15 percent to 20 percent lower than those of the plane built by France-based Airbus.

The EADS KC-45 is based on the long-haul Airbus 330, in service since 1993. EADS says it has 31 percent more capacity and a longer range than the KC-767.

But the KC-45, bigger than its rival, could have higher fuel costs and require the construction of new hangars. It would be assembled in Mobile, Alabama.

EADS says the contract would create 48,000 US jobs, slightly below the 50,000 forecast by Boeing.

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Reply #48 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 1:21pm

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Murray, Cantwell: Tanker contract salvation for American jobs


Posted by Kyung M. Song

WASHINGTON -- When the U.S. Air Force at last reveals the winner of a $40 billion contract for aerial refueling tankers, it won't merely mark a turning point in one of the more tortuous chapters in Pentagon procurement history.

It also would help determine the fate of the American economy, its industrial base and national security.

That's according to a quintet of senators from three states who are pushing hard for a victory by Boeing.

During a press conference at the U.S. Capitol on Thursday, Sen. Patty Murray led an argument by a bipartisan group of lawmakers that awarding the tanker deal to the European parent of Airbus would deprive Americans of much-needed jobs.

Boeing has claimed that if the tankers are built with a military version of its 767 jetliner, it would support 50,000 U.S. jobs, including 11,000 in Washington state. Airbus parent EADS counters that a win for the larger Airbus A330 tanker would support 48,000 American jobs. Airbus plans to assemble the tankers in Mobile, Ala., with component parts made in Europe.

"If we are going to win the future, we are going to need to win this contract," Murray said. "We are doing this to remind the administration and the country what's at stake."

Underscoring that message, the press conference room was festooned with signs proclaiming "American jobs on the line" and "Support American aerospace."

Also appearing at the event were Sens. Maria Cantwell of Washington and Pat Roberts and Jerry Moran, both Republicans of Kansas, a major Boeing manufacturing center. A fifth senator, Debbie Stabenow, is from Michigan, where Boeing currently employs 22 people but hopes to gain 450 more jobs with a tanker contract.

The Air Force has been trying for a decade to replace its aging KC-135 refueling aircraft. Its 2001 decision to lease 100 tankers from Boeing was scotched after revelations that the company's chief financial officer offered jobs to a Pentagon acquisitions officer and her family. A subsequent tanker award to Northrop-EADS was successfully challenged by Boeing on grounds that the competition was flawed.

Further roiling the process, the World Trade Organization has recently ruled that Airbus -- and to a lesser degree, Boeing -- has benefited from billions of dollars in illegal government subsidies. Boeing partisans on Capitol Hill have argued for penalizing EADS, something the Pentagon has refused repeatedly.

The decision for this third round is expected to hinge on price. Aerospace analysts have speculated that EADS likely would prevail on that score. The Air Force is expected to name the winner shortly.

Asked if all the political interference might further delay the Air Force from upgrading its equipment, Moran said that's why the Pentagon must ensure that its latest choice of a winner "has to be absolutely, above-board correct."

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Reply #49 - Feb 18th, 2011 at 1:23pm

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Pro-Boeing lawmakers tie tanker decision to job-creation goals


By John T. Bennett - 02/17/11 04:25 PM ET

A Boeing win "would be a big step forward in our efforts to win the future,” Sen. Patty Murray said.

If President Obama really intends to “win the future,” his administration should hand a $35 billion Air Force tanker contract to Boeing, several lawmakers said on Thursday.

“A win for the Boeing tanker … would be a big step forward in our efforts to win the future,” Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said during a press briefing. “American jobs, our industrial base and economic growth is on the line.”

The pro-Boeing lawmaker’s use of the phrase “win the future” — employed first by Obama in last month’s State of the Union address — is aimed at forcing the administration to use the Air Force’s KC-X tanker competition as a way of doing so.

“Job creation in the United States should start with the procurement of a Boeing tanker,” said Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.).

The lawmakers made their pitch standing in front of signs and a backdrop featuring these phrases: “American Jobs,” “American jobs on the line,” and “Supporting American Jobs.”

Their not-so-subtle message came just weeks before the Air Force is slated to choose either Boeing’s 767-based tanker or one being offered by EADS, based on an A330 plane. The winner will build 179 flying gas stations for the air service — and deal a major blow to its chief rival.

Boeing and its congressional allies say if the Chicago-based firm wins, it would bring 50,000 jobs to 40 states. An EADS win would support 48,000 U.S. jobs.

The Boeing proponents also hit EADS on aircraft subsidies. The World Trade Organization (WTO) recently ruled both firms have unjustly received government funds; EADS has gotten billions more, according to the WTO.

Roberts said he “doesn’t understand” why Pentagon officials contend they cannot factor in the impact of illegal government subsidies as they pick a winning plane.

Boeing and its congressional allies are concerned the European firm will be able to drastically underbid Boeing and win the contract — primarily because of its subsidies advantage.

Defense officials say there are no laws or federal acquisition regulations that call for factoring into major acquisition decisions things such as how subsidies might influence a bidder’s price.

“Unlike other nations, the U.S. almost never makes the economic impact of weapons decisions a factor in source selection,” said Loren Thompson, a defense consultant and analyst at the Lexington Institute. “Industrial base concerns and economic impacts are not part of the Pentagon's calculus.

“So even though the Obama administration is heavily focused on job creation and increasing exports, there is no sign that will influence the tanker outcome," Thompson said.

The combination of the Air Force’s price-shootout competition and the amount of subsidies EADS gets has many analysts predicting it will offer a smaller price tag and win the contract.

“The simple truth is that either one of these planes would make a fine tanker, so in the end the winner will be the team offering the lowest price,” Thompson said. “EADS will probably offer the lowest price because it has access to European government subsidies that can defray its costs.”

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/144903-pro-boeing-lawmakers-tie-tanker-de...

 

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Reply #50 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:01pm

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Reply #51 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 1:22am

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Boeing to Build U.S. Air Force Tankers



Story by Marc Selinger


The U.S. Air Force announced Thursday that it has selected Boeing’s NewGen Tanker to be its new KC-46A air refueling jet.

The contract award, which follows a rigorous Air Force review of industry proposals, means Boeing will build the next-generation tanker that will replace 179 of the service’s 1950s-era KC-135s.

Boeing officials said they are honored by the selection and will meet the Air Force’s requirement to deliver the first 18 combat-ready aircraft by 2017.

“This contract award would not have been possible without the hundreds of Boeing employees across the entire company, and the thousands of our industry teammates, who remained laser-focused on our commitment to offer a solution that is first in capability and best in value,” said Dennis Muilenburg, president and CEO of Boeing Defense, Space & Security. “This award is also a tribute to the Air Force and Defense Department officials who worked so tirelessly to make this procurement process fair, ultimately resulting in the selection of the right plane for the mission. We look forward to working with our Air Force customer to deliver this much needed capability to the servicemen and women we are honored to serve.”

Tankers are critical to the U.S. armed forces, extending the range of fighters, bombers and other aircraft by transferring fuel to them in flight. The NewGen Tanker combines the latest, most advanced technology with the proven Boeing 767 commercial airplane.

The NewGen Tanker has a modern, digital flight deck based on the new Boeing 787 commercial airliner, and advanced defensive systems so it can safely operate close to the fight. It meets or exceeds all Air Force requirements.

Boeing will build the NewGen Tanker with a low-risk approach. It will use a trained and experienced U.S. work force at existing facilities in Washington state and Kansas, and an existing supplier network in more than 40 states.

Boeing has built and supported tankers for more than 60 years, and company employees said they are rolling up their sleeves to begin work on this newest tanker right away.

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Reply #52 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 4:44am

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Boeing will build the NewGen Tanker with a low-risk approach. It will use a trained and experienced U.S..


Low risk, read "cheap" and as for "trained", it is well known in the industry what sort of people Boeing employ. I feel rather sorry for the USAF, if they have to deal with the same product standard that Boeing are delivering to customers, they are screwed. We are giving back 4 aircraft to the leasing agent due to "quality problems"

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Boeing has built and supported tankers for more than 60 years, and company employees said they are rolling up their sleeves to begin work on this newest tanker right away.


OK, because we have always done it, we should always.......At the end of the day, it was a huge waist of money to make the the bidding look legitimate as Boeing was always going to get the contract. It will cost even more now too as the aircraft will be over budget and late because they always are especially if it is a military contract.

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Reply #53 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 5:23am

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It was always going to eventually go to Boeing. A telling quote I saw from a US analyst last night went along the lines that a major consideration in awarding the contract to Boeing is that EADS do not get a plant in the USA which they could later use to build civil aircraft in competition with Boeing.

As for Boeing being the low risk approach, well, just don't ask the Italians about there KC-767! Grin As for experience, the A330 wasn't Airbus' first tanker, and the "corporate knowledge" of AAR in the companies that went to make up Airbus, and of course the AAR specialist companies have been around just as long as their US counterparts. Smiley

Oh well, I look forward to USAF tanker mates being envious for once... Wink Grin
 
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Reply #54 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 11:56am

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Boeing Wins Restaged U.S. Air Force KC-X Tanker


Feb 25, 2011

By Graham Warwick graham_warwick@aviationweek.com
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Overturning its previous selection, the U.S. Air Force has selected Boeing to supply its KC-X replacement aerial-refueling tanker. The company has been awarded a $3.5 billion fixed-price incentive contract for development and delivery of the first 18 of a planned 179 767-based NewGen tankers to replace U.S. Air Force Boeing KC-135s.

EADS North America, with Northrop Grumman as prime contractor, won the first KC-X competition in February 2008 with the KC-45A, based on the Airbus A330-200 and similar to the KC-30 multi-role tanker/transport under development for Australia. The program was halted in September 2008 after a Boeing contract protest was upheld.

The Air Force restarted the KC-X competition in July 2010, issuing a new request for proposals (RFP) that simplified the requirements, clarified the selection criteria and reduced the financial risks to the winner. The changes were made in a bid to prevent the protests that derailed the first competition.

Boeing revised its approach after losing the first competition, dropping plans to develop an aircraft combining elements of several different 767 models and basing its “NewGen” tanker bid on a 767-200 equipped with an upgraded KC-10 refueling boom and 787 cockpit displays. The company said its price would be lower the second time around.

EADS North America stayed with its winning KC-45 design, but entered the new competition as prime contractor after Northrop withdrew from the role in March 2010, arguing the revised RFP “clearly favored a smaller tanker.” EADS’s decision to lead the bid itself likely allowed the company to reduce its proposal price.

The Air Force substantially revamped its source selection process after the Government Accountability Office (GAO) upheld Boeing’s protest over losing the 2008 competition to Northrop Grumman and EADS. The GAO ruled the Air Force did not properly assess the relative technical and operational merits of the rival tankers.

The new RFP simplified the specification to 372 mandatory pass/fail requirements the proposals had to meet to be considered. Proposed prices were then adjusted by the Pentagon based on assessments of operational effectiveness and ownership cost. Only if the resulting total evaluated prices were within 1% of each other would the Pentagon then consider each proposal’s ability to provide additional capabilities.

A long-shot bid from U.S. Aerospace, offering a variant of the Ukrainian Antonov An-70, was rejected after it missed the deadline to submit a proposal. The company’s protest was dismissed by the GAO in November 2010.

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Boeing The Clear Winner Of KC-X: Pentagon


Feb 25, 2011

By Graham Warwick

Additional capabilities beyond the mandatory requirements were not a factor in the U.S. Air Force’s selection of Boeing’s 767-based tanker, now designated the KC-46A, as the service’s KC-X replacement aerial refueler, Pentagon officials said late Feb. 24.

EADS North America’s larger Airbus A330-based KC-45A, winner of the previous KC-X competition, was the losing bidder. Officials announced the Boeing award shortly after 5 p.m. EST in Washington.

Additional “non-mandatory” requirements were only to be considered if the evaluated prices of the two proposals were within 1% of each other. “Both offerors met the mandatory requirements, and there was a greater than 1% difference in total price, so non-mandatory capabilities were evaluated, but not used in the source-selection,” Air Force Secretary Michael Donley says.

“Boeing was the clear winner,” says Deputy Defense Secretary William Lynn. Under the revised source-selection criteria for the restaged KC-X competition, the price proposed by each bidder was adjusted by the Pentagon based on assessments of fleet mission effectiveness and lifecycle cost. Boeing argued its smaller 767-based tanker would consume substantially less fuel.

Boeing has been awarded a $3.5 billion fixed-price incentive contract for engineering and manufacturing development and delivery of the first 18 aircraft by 2017. When Northrop Grumman/EADS North America won an earlier KC-X competition in February 2008 it was awarded a $1.5 billion development contract, including four aircraft. “This was a completely different competition,” Donley says.

The Air Force restarted the KC-X competition in July 2010, issuing a new request for proposals (RFP) that simplified the requirements, clarified the selection criteria and reduced the financial risks to the winner. The changes were made in a bid to prevent the protests that derailed the first competition.

Boeing revised its approach after losing the first competition, dropping plans to develop an aircraft combining elements of several different 767 models and basing its “NewGen” tanker bid on a 767-200 equipped with an upgraded KC-10 refueling boom and 787 cockpit displays. The company said its price would be lower the second time around.

EADS North America stayed with its winning KC-45 design, but entered the new competition as prime contractor after Northrop withdrew from the role in March 2010, arguing the revised RFP “clearly favored a smaller tanker.” EADS’ decision to lead the bid itself likely allowed the company to reduce its proposal price.

Following the protests that dogged previous attempts to buy new tankers, as well as major criticism of the Air Force’s acquisition process, Donley says the seven-month source-selection has generated an “extensive official record” of the procedures followed. The bidders had a good understanding how the evaluation was conducted, he says, clearly anxious to avoid a protest or congressional challenge this time around.

Still, the latest competition was already marred by an embarrassing data-swap mishap last fall. In the Nov. 1, 2010, data release, Air Force officials sent files containing interim Integrated Fleet Aerial Refueling Assessment (Ifara) information to the wrong industry teams. However, in an effort to level the playing field, USAF then released to both contractors the cover sheets outlining each bidder’s performance in the Ifara model so both sides now officially have the same information (Aerospace DAILY, Feb. 11).

Senate Armed Services ranking Republican John McCain (Ariz.) let it be known right after the new award was announced that he awaits the Air Force’s award explanation. “I look forward to the Air Force demonstrating over the next few weeks how today’s decision was made fairly, openly and transparently,” says the senator, who helped derail Boeing’s last tanker award by exposing Air Force and Boeing malfeasance. “Only such a process will ensure that we obtain the most capable aerial refueling tanker at the most reasonable cost.”

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What The Boeing Tanker Win Means


Mar 1, 2011

By Amy Butler

The question sweeping the U.S. defense establishment is: How low did Boeing go?

Nearly three years after the U.S. Air Force’s selection of a Northrop Grumman/EADS A330-based tanker was found by government auditors to be flawed, the service has now chosen a Boeing design to replace its aging KC-135 refuelers. The Air Force based its selection largely on life-cycle price, and Deputy Defense Secretary William Lynn says: “Boeing was a clear winner.”

Three years ago, Boeing’s price was roughly $8 million more per aircraft than EADS’s and its development price was higher, according to sources close to the duel. Right up until the source selection announcement last week, many defense analysts suggested EADS would underbid Boeing in order to establish a final assembly facility for Airbus aircraft in the U.S.

“It is very fortunate for Boeing that they got a second chance because their first bid was not competitive,” according to one defense industry analyst. John Young, the Pentagon procurement chief during the last source selection, says, “The delay [in fielding the aircraft] is unfortunate and it clearly led both teams to sharpen their pencils.”

The Air Force’s decision to select Boeing will likely sidestep a protracted debate with Congress; Boeing supporters on Capitol Hill were poised to fight on the company’s behalf, further delaying USAF’s ability to field new tankers. Boeing’s lobby in Congress is far more substantial than EADS’s, which mainly relied on lawmakers from Alabama, where the A330 was to be built, for its political influence.

Dennis Muilenburg, president of Boeing Defense Space and Security, says this KC-X proposal had a “one Boeing” tactic, including a marriage of its culturally diverse defense and commercial businesses. “We worked this as one integrated Boeing company,” he says, adding that this approach drove efficiencies and value to for the most recent proposal.

During the 2008 competition, Boeing was criticized for seeking too much profit, thus allowing for a then-Northrop Grumman/EADS team to underbid. Also, Boeing Commercial Airplanes was seen as uncooperative with government cost estimators who wanted pricing details on the 767 platform.

Boeing protested, leading government auditors to find flaws in the source selection. During this period, company officials were aggressive, publicly taking their top customer to task. Internally, however, Boeing did some soul-searching. “That was always the fear—that [EADS] could underbid again,” says one former Boeing official. “This is the last major USAF acquisition program in the foreseeable future,” and this tanker work was viewed by some in the company as a must win. 

The Pentagon’s decision—if it withstands a possible protest from EADS—could repair the chasm in the Boeing/Air Force relationship. It also shores up not only decades of business with its top defense customer as military budgets begin to flatten but also steady work for the waning 767 production line. Perhaps more critical to the commercial side of Boeing, the win stunts its European commercial rival’s efforts to establish a stateside manufacturing facility for airliners.

A win for either company would have been considered strategic—EADS was hoping to substantially boost its U.S. revenue and, perhaps more critical for the future of its commercial business, was its plan to build an A330 final assembly facility in Mobile, Ala. Since establishing its North American arm in 2003, EADS has had a goal of aggressively growing its U.S. business, and winning KC-X was the largest single step in that strategy. EADS is likely to pursue other Pentagon business, including some smaller helicopter programs, but nothing that would bring with it the scale and prestige of U.S. livery on an A330-based tanker. 

EADS North America officials were due receive a debriefing Feb. 28on the loss. Board Chairman Ralph Crosby said his company would not protest the decision unless there is an obvious error on the part of Air Force acquisition. EADS North America officials “expressed disappointment and concern” about the decision. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz says he hopes this decision means people will “stop talking about it” and get on with fielding a tanker on schedule. The original Boeing lease—offered in 2002—called for tankers to be delivered in 2006. Investigations into the deal found a bloated price, a situation that kicked off the more recent competitions for a supplier.

A loss for Boeing would have been a blow, ending its five-decade monopoly on the U.S. refueling business as the Air Force’s interest in C-17s continues to be nonexistent. Boeing’s other defense hurdles include a downturn in missile defense opportunities and a recent guided weapon loss to Raytheon.

Pressure is now likely to mount for EADS North America to consider a U.S. acquisition to expand its stateside market share. However, uncertainty over the company’s shareholding structure and an anticipated management shuffle next year could further hinder efforts to execute its U.S. expansion anytime soon.

Though EADS has beat Boeing in previous competitions in Australia, Saudi Arabia, the U.K. and the United Arab Emirates, other countries may now turn away from the A330-based option in favor of the 767 tanker, now called the KC-46A, to achieve commonality with the U.S. fleet.

And, with 767 business established for at least 13 lots through the U.S. buy, the platform, though older than its A330 rival, could continue to challenge Airbus in the freighter market.

Boeing’s $3.5 billion contract covers the development of the system, and purchase of 18 aircraft (including those for test purposes), which will be fielded by 2017. The buy of 179 aircraft is estimated at up to $30 billion, Lynn says. Ashton Carter, the Pentagon procurement chief, says the contract will be signed soon, allowing work to begin smartly. If a protest is launched, a stop-work order will likely be issued immediately in accordance with procurement rules.

The development contract is fixed-price, a shift from the previous competition. However the process does carry risk. Production and flight-testing will be concurrent, says Jean Chamberlin, vice president of Boeing’s tanker program; if technical problems arise in flight-test, fixes may have to be retrofitted onto the aircraft. Although a different design, Boeing experienced substantial flight-test problems with its Italian 767-based tanker.

Production is slated to start in 2015, two years ahead of the first delivery. Initial flight test is also slated for 2015, Chamberlin says. The Pentagon has restructured the Joint Strike Fighter program twice in as many years to reduce concurrency. Though this stealthy fighter is more complex than a modified 767, lessons from JSF and many past programs have pointed to the benefits of discovering flaws in flight-test prior to production.

At the suggestion that Boeing bought into the program, risking its ability to make profit, Muilenburg said “We submitted an aggressive but responsible bid.”

If the decision manages to withstand scrutiny, and neither Congress or the protest reveal problems in the procurement process, this will be a pivotal step forward for an Air Force procurement corps beleaguered by missteps. They began, largely, with the Air Force/Boeing plan nearly 10 years ago to lease 767-based tankers, and continued with a problem in a competition to buy combat search-and-rescue helicopters among others. Perhaps the KC-X decision could be a fitting end to a decade of paralysis for Air Force weapons buyers.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awst/2011/02/28/AW_02_2...


As soon as Boeing releases the Specs on its Computer Generated Plane, I or someone will post them up. What I have read so far:
767-200, with 787 flight Deck, Modified KC-10 boom, and PW motors(AF had no choice in the motor selection like Japan and Italy did)
 

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A loss for Boeing would have been a blow, ending its five-decade monopoly on the U.S. refueling business


They keep on referring to this "50 year monopoly" Boeing has had in producing tankers for the USAF (the above article refers to the US refuelling business, which is even more tenuous - KC-130 etc...). Am I missing something, or did they not lose the competition eventually won by the USAF's most versatile tanker, the KC-10 (apparently with a 747 based design)!

Yeah, ok, in course Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas, but to say they've had a 50 year monopoly is pushing the truth boat out a bit far! Smiley
 
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C wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 5:27pm:
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A loss for Boeing would have been a blow, ending its five-decade monopoly on the U.S. refueling business


They keep on referring to this "50 year monopoly" Boeing has had in producing tankers for the USAF (the above article refers to the US refuelling business, which is even more tenuous - KC-130 etc...). Am I missing something, or did they not lose the competition eventually won by the USAF's most versatile tanker, the KC-10 (apparently with a 747 based design)!

Yeah, ok, in course Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas, but to say they've had a 50 year monopoly is pushing the truth boat out a bit far! Smiley



Boeing are desperate to win because they have a white elephant that will need a customer. By that I mean the 787. As they can't get certification for the aircraft due to static discharges in the fuel tanks (due to them being made of carbon....what do Airbus use and why Roll Eyes Roll Eyes) they are trying to get the FAA to rewrite the rules so that an acceptable amount of static discharging can be allowed in the tanks as opposed to the zero limit we have now. Maybe TWA can advise on an acceptable limit!! If the 787 fails and customers start to with draw, who do you think will end up with a nice fleet of 787's. After all military aircraft do not require certification...........It would make a great tanker, range and capacity....

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C wrote on Mar 1st, 2011 at 5:27pm:
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A loss for Boeing would have been a blow, ending its five-decade monopoly on the U.S. refueling business


They keep on referring to this "50 year monopoly" Boeing has had in producing tankers for the USAF (the above article refers to the US refuelling business, which is even more tenuous - KC-130 etc...). Am I missing something, or did they not lose the competition eventually won by the USAF's most versatile tanker, the KC-10 (apparently with a 747 based design)!

Yeah, ok, in course Boeing acquired McDonnell Douglas, but to say they've had a 50 year monopoly is pushing the truth boat out a bit far! Smiley

Yes they did loose out to the DC-10 with the KC-747, but as far as Boeing History in the tanker it goes with:
KB-29(late 40's),KB-50(1947), KC-97(1950), KC-135(1954-1965), KC-33(747 in 70's), KC-767(2005)
 

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