Simviation Forum - Boeings Next Gen Tanker(The Winner)

Mar 14^th, 2010 at 10:06am

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Here is the site that keeps popping up every web site i visit now.

http://www.unitedstatestanker.com/

~~Funny~~ Video:(built by Americans, for Americans, in America...lol)

http://www.unitedstatestanker.com/video

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Reply #1 - Mar 14^th, 2010 at 10:41am

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So a 767, but with a 787 cockpit basically?

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Reply #2 - Mar 14^th, 2010 at 10:46am

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Mar 14^th, 2010 at 10:06am:

Here is the site that keeps popping up every web site i visit now.

http://www.unitedstatestanker.com/

~~Funny~~ Video:(built by Americans, for Americans, in America...lol)

http://www.unitedstatestanker.com/video

And 60% of the parts are foreign made.

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Reply #3 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:26am

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This will have some juristic aftermath I'm sure: Wink

Europe and especially EADS & Northrop Grumman-chairmen and France/German politicians aren't quite amused about the new advertisment, that - in their eyes - favored Boeing.

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Reply #4 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 6:00am

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In the current economic climate it is hardly surprising that governments are doing a bit of "protectionism" to make out how flag wavingly, hand on heart they are.... a very short term view if you ask me....

There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!

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Reply #5 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 12:33pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 14^th, 2010 at 10:46am:

[quote author=OVERLORD_CHRIS ~~Funny~~ Video:(built by Americans, for Americans, in America...lol)

http://www.unitedstatestanker.com/video

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And 60% of the parts are foreign made.

I know, that's what i find so funny.

ozzy72 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 6:00am:

In the current economic climate it is hardly surprising that governments are doing a bit of "protectionism" to make out how flag wavingly, hand on heart they are.... a very short term view if you ask me....

I think it is stupid how they thought keeping 700-1200 jobs was better then creating 50,000 all over the country, and then a year latter hire another several thousand to work at the newly built plant next to the 1st one, but I guess in the long run the needs of the few better then the needs of the many.

In the video Boeing takes credit for the MD KC-10, witch beat the 747 for the large tanker contract. So in a technicality, Boeing can only take credit for the KB-29, and KB-97 before they went with the radical new KC-135A.

And yet they say that the KC-767 is combat proven, even though the first Air Force to fly it was the JASDF, so how the hell it is proven? I have no idea. And they criticized NG for using an "unproven" design, but yet they did just that in 1954 when they offered the KC-135A, an "unproven" plane to SAC. And yet it went on to be one the greatest designs for a tanker.

And even though AMC said no matter what plane wins, it will get defensive systems so it can fly closer to the battle field and provide better support for fighter, bombers and transports aircraft, but yet in the video some one it was proven that the 767 is "more survivable" in combat situations.....How did they come to that conclusion?

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Reply #6 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 12:43pm

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Not to mention, this wouldn't be the first piece of non-American equipment our government has ever bought. Just look at the Harrier (license built by McDonnell Douglas, but still part of Bae), almost every helicopter in the Coast Guard fleet (Dauphin, the retired Mako). I could see, front-line, state of the art equipment you might have some security issues with, and would want completely in house in case of war with the country who made it, but a tanker is just a flying gas station, not much to it. I don't necessarily favor Airbus as a manufacturer, but I think the bid process shouldn't be so tainted with politics. The end result, the state with more congressmen gets the bid, which is why Airbus lost. Alabama isn't know for having a large political influence, unlike Washington state.

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Reply #7 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 1:57pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 12:43pm:

Not to mention, this wouldn't be the first piece of non-American equipment our government has ever bought. Just look at the Harrier (license built by McDonnell Douglas, but still part of Bae),

Spitfire, Mosquito, Canberra...

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Reply #8 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:30pm

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C wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 1:57pm:

DaveSims wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 12:43pm:

Not to mention, this wouldn't be the first piece of non-American equipment our government has ever bought. Just look at the Harrier (license built by McDonnell Douglas, but still part of Bae),

Spitfire, Mosquito, Canberra...

The Canberra I am aware of, but I can't say I've ever seen a Spitty or Mossie in US colors. Have seen pics of a few RAF Mustangs though. Wink

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Reply #9 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:51pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:30pm:

C wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 1:57pm:

DaveSims wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 12:43pm:

Not to mention, this wouldn't be the first piece of non-American equipment our government has ever bought. Just look at the Harrier (license built by McDonnell Douglas, but still part of Bae),

Spitfire, Mosquito, Canberra...

The Canberra I am aware of, but I can't say I've ever seen a Spitty or Mossie in US colors.

Mossie - the PR variant:
http://www.airrecce.co.uk/graphics/AC/Mosquito/F-8-USAAF-650.jpg

Spits - mainly Mk Vs, IX/XVIs and PR XIs (shown here):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/matzos/USAAFPRXI.jpg

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Have seen pics of a few RAF Mustangs though. Wink

Well the Mustang was the result of an RAF specification - in fact, in modern corporate speak, you could say the RAF was the "launch customer".

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Reply #10 - Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:58pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 15^th, 2010 at 4:30pm:

The Canberra I am aware of, but I can't say I've ever seen a Spitty or Mossie in US colors. Have seen pics of a few RAF Mustangs though. Wink

This will have to do for the moment. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USAAF_Spitfire_in_UK_309FS_31FG.jpg

You forgot to mention the T-45 Goshawk which is basically a BAe Hawk with an 'ook.

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Reply #11 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 7:19am

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And a few more......

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/wilkofife/sv4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/wilkofife/sv3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/wilkofife/sv2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/wilkofife/sv1.jpg

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Reply #12 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 12:59pm

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Some great examples there Lefty, I never realised the USAAF had used the Lizzie (learn something every day around here), but please don't link images from other sites, it slows things down for other users (especially the non-broadband mob) Wink

There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!

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Reply #13 - Mar 16^th, 2010 at 4:47pm

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Sorry about that - I did read your forum rules and thought image linking was OK - put it down to old age.... Sad

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Reply #14 - Mar 20^th, 2010 at 8:04pm

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Now the Russians are entering the fray with what the article claims will be a design "based on the Ilyushin IL-96".

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/19/us.russia.refueling.tanker/index.html?hpt=T2

This is getting ridiculous. As has been demonstrated, the US military should be no stranger to using "foreign" aircraft.

The Dassault Falcon 20 (HU-25 Guardian) and Eurocopter AS-365 (HH-65 Dolphin) are two French examples that have been in use with the Coast Guard for a couple of decades now, and always receive much praise.

Someone else mentioned the Harrier for the Marines, and the Sherpa for the Army, among others.

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