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Feb 19th, 2010 at 4:27pm

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Coming soon to the downloads section will be the fourth and final evolution of the Fox Four F-86E Sabre, icon of the Korean Air War.  She features a number of upgrades in details, materials, LOD and some improved skins by BUB, Bob McGee.  Babe!  Smiley

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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 4:39pm

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    Of course an 'A' version with split elevators would be kinda neat  Roll Eyes...
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 8:37pm

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Do we have the chequered tail version that was in the film?

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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 10:43pm

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oldwheat wrote on Feb 19th, 2010 at 4:39pm:
    Of course an 'A' version with split elevators would be kinda neat  Roll Eyes...   


An 'A' model?   I'm almost sure they skipped A-D, and went straight to the E and F.  Smiley

Sorry, the devil made me do it.   Smiley

BUT flying tails rule!  Smiley
 

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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 11:14pm

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Collin wrote on Feb 19th, 2010 at 8:37pm:
Do we have the chequered tail version that was in the film?


Film?  Oh, you mean The Hunters.   Wink

No, no one has done that exact skin, but there are two checkered tail skins available....among about a dozen alternatives that have been done for this bird.  But I know a guy who might be talked into doing that particular layout.  Roll Eyes

I'll have to get the alternatives uploaded here.   Currently many are available on the old Tango_Romeo site:

http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/a/sanfordze/downloads.htm

These were done for an older version of the one about to be posted, but they will still fit nicely.  All I believe were done by Bob McGee (BUB) and Larry Brown (Oldwheat).  Cool
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 1:54pm

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   And I believe that either or both could be coerced into doing some new skins  Wink....
 
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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 4:10pm

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Hi All,
I have old A Model skins somewhere for Eaglestons Sabre.  I'll have to look around and see if I still have them.  Otherwise, they would have to be redone in the larger format we used for these Sabres.
Post a picture of the A Model you want and I'll take a look.  No promises on if or when I can get to it.  I'll see what I can do about Eaglestons for now.  In the meantime, you may be able to find the 512 x 512 verson on SOH when they ever get back and running.
Thanks for your patience,
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« Last Edit: Feb 21st, 2010 at 12:52am by Bub »  

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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:46pm

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   Yours & my 'A' skins are posted on TR's site above.  I assume that you are merely resizing the new skins to 1024 (It will make for a larger filesize, TR  Wink ) or are there other mapping differences ?  If not,the old 512 textures should work just fine on the new .mdl.   
    Looking more closely at the F86 in flight it isn't all that obvious that the whole elevator unit is moving, merely paint on a hinge line.  On the other hand it looks as if the elevator unit may be in two separate pieces in the source file  Roll Eyes.

 
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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 6:24pm

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   Yours & my 'A' skins are posted on TR's site above.  I assume that you are merely resizing the new skins to 1024 (It will make for a larger filesize, TR  Wink ) or are there other mapping differences ?  If not,the old 512 textures should work just fine on the new .mdl.   
    Looking more closely at the F86 in flight it isn't all that obvious that the whole elevator unit is moving, merely paint on a hinge line.  On the other hand it looks as if the elevator unit may be in two separate pieces in the source file  Roll Eyes.


Wink There has been remapping of the cockpit and windscreen frames to accommodate one of Bub's experiments, and that would require that an added BMP be inserted into the texture folder when using the older textures.   Yes, you can just convert them to 1024 from 512, but the big difference in clarity of the textures is not that.  ( It is in saving the textures without MIPS, contrary to popular belief. )
I'll look into posting the added BMP, or including it in a download of the old skins.  OR perhaps, I should return the mapping on the new model to the original config...film at 11, as there are other considerations.  This new model is considerably different from the previous ones.  Smiley

Angry Larry, Have you been violating my source files again?  Jeeeez, when rape is inevitable.....  Grin

No, the horizontal stab/elevator is a single piece, and it moves as one piece.   However, it is constructed in such a manner that it can easily be split into the separate parts...in the event that I get an attack of nostalgia and have an irresistible urge to do an A model.....as the result of motivational harassment by certain beloved individuals.  Cheesy



 

Many Hands Make Small Work ... P-51 Contract Lost - Build Swifts

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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2010 at 6:31pm

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Seriously, I'm getting pretty close to posting this little piece of work....just a few details to iron out.....like the cockpit frame.  Smiley

Bub has made some great advances in the bare metal look in these new skins.....given the limitations of CFS2.  Kiss
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 12:49am

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Hi All,
Don't assume Larry, we know what that does. Wink  I would do a complete revamp like I did on the E's and F's.  If TR does an A Model, I'll give it some new clothes.  As I said, no guarantee's when.  I have some things to finish up for TR then I'll look into it.  I'll redo Eagleston's unless someone comes up with something better.
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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 3:01am

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     Never let it be said that I can't take a hint  Smiley ...
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2010 at 1:10pm

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oldwheat wrote on Feb 21st, 2010 at 3:01am:
     Never let it be said that I can't take a hint  Smiley ...


Don't you dare change your behavior now...just keep on keepin' on.    Wink    I'm too old to tolerate drastic deviations from the norm, and aside from that we all love you just the way you are.   Grin 
 

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Reply #13 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 12:40am

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I uploaded version 4.0 of the Fox Four F-86E.  She should be available for download tomorrow.  Cool

The all the bells and whistles, but you might find it interesting to look up the tailpipe when you start the engine.  Smiley

She's wearing the skin of Parr's Barb/Death Wind, and alternate skins are included for Gabreski's Gabby and Risner's plane...all by Bub.  (I plan to alter some older skins by Bub and Oldwheat for proper use on the new model, and post them shortly.Smiley

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Reply #14 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 2:16am

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They look far better on your screen than on mine. Shocked Anyway, didn't I send you McConnell's?  If not, I'll get it to you with Annushka's new wing.  I've got a couple of A's I can whip up pretty quick, so give me a few days to come up with something.  Old Sabre's never die...............
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Reply #15 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 3:25am

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Bub wrote on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 2:16am:
They look far better on your screen than on mine. Shocked Anyway, didn't I send you McConnell's?  Old Sabre's never die...............
Bub 


Never got the final 1024 set on McConnell's....shoot them along please.  Cry
 

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Reply #16 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 3:32am

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oldwheat wrote on Feb 20th, 2010 at 5:46pm:
   Yours & my 'A' skins are posted on TR's site above.  I assume that you are merely resizing the new skins to 1024 or are there other mapping differences ?  If not,the old 512 textures should work just fine on the new .mdl. 


Embarrassed  My earlier statement is not correct.   The older textures you guys did in 512x512 (and 1024) will work on the new plane as long as you have the Canopy2.BMP in the texture folder....either the dark or light version as appropriate.  I had forgotten that the model you did them for had been mapped for the Canopy2.BMP.  There are some mapping differences in the new MDL, but none that need you to change the BMPs.

Huh The new textures however are much, much more than just a resize to 1024x1024, as you will see when you try them out.
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Reply #17 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 4:13am

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OW's Hinton's Blue Ring from the 336th is an older texture done in 512 and upsized to 1024.   It looks pretty dog gone good, Larry.  Cheesy

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Reply #18 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 1:33pm

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Hi All,
Just sent these over to TR for posting.  Somehow I forgot to include them with the other skins.  Sorry about that. Embarrassed  These are for McConnell's F-86F Sabre.
Hopefully, when I get caught up there will be a couple of new A Model skins in the mix. 
Thanks,
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Reply #19 - Feb 22nd, 2010 at 6:44pm

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Yeeeeeeeee Doggies!  About time McConnell joined the fray.  Cheesy

She'll be available tomorrow! Smiley

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Reply #20 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 1:16pm

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    I just occurred to me that all of this is part of a craftily orchestrated plot by TR & his cohorts to crowd out my new oscar skin!!!  (Perhaps I should upload another one to keep up the momentum  Wink)..
 
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Reply #21 - Feb 23rd, 2010 at 2:19pm

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oldwheat wrote on Feb 23rd, 2010 at 1:16pm:
    I just occurred to me that all of this is part of a craftily orchestrated plot by TR & his cohorts to crowd out my new oscar skin!!!  (Perhaps I should upload another one to keep up the momentum  Wink)..


Caught like a rat in a trap...I just can't get anything past you, can I?   Embarrassed

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