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FSX low FPS (8-13FPS) on high end PC (Read 4411 times)
Feb 7th, 2010 at 1:11am

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Hello every one
I have a PC with following specifications:
ASUS motherboard Ramp page II extreme
Intel i7 965x @3.2 Ghz
6Gb @1600mbs RAM
2 WD 150Gb each @10000RPM hard disks (windows 7 64bit on one of them and FSX on the other one).
1 Maxtor 300Gb @7400 hard disk (for my data)
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 with 2Gb memory.
1200 watts power supply
Thermaltake case (6 cooling fans all over it).
Saitek Flight control

I did follow all instruction for clean installation that are presented in this forum and I still get low FPS and short pauses during flight with professional add on like PMDG products (system OK with default aircrafts, but bad with same aircrafts at busy airports).
I should also mention that FS9 runs with very high FPS till I hit bad weather, it starts giving me 12-18 FPS.
Man I paid a lot for this computer. Angry

Any idea on how can I get the most out of this thing? Undecided

Note: I did buy this computer on FEB 2009 and was trying to fine tune it since then using every possible advise from around the WWW including all the advises from this forum before I post this thread, so please do not jump on me asking me to search first Embarrassed
« Last Edit: Feb 7th, 2010 at 3:26am by penta_a »  

AUSUS Ramp Page II Extreme motherboard BIOS 1802
Intel i7 965x @3.2 Gh (O.C. @4.0Gh)
3X2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600Mh
2 150GB WD HD  @10000 RPM
1 300Gb Maxtor HD @7400 RPM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 RAM PCIe Video card
1 Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" monitor
3 Philips Brilliance 220SW 22" monitors on Matorx TripleHead2Go Digital
Windows 7 64bit + FSX
1200 watts power supply
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Reply #1 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 4:19am

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Well, the problem might have several causes.
First of all, the fact that you get  such low FPS with FS9 might be an indication of problem from your video cards, hardware or drivers-related.

Also, Having two video cards is generally a bad idea for FSX, but you surely have read that a little bit everywhere already.

Finally, you might have been way too optimistic with your in-game settings.

I think the four first steps to perform would be the followings:
- disable the crossfire functionnality, so that only one card gets used.
- search the forum for driver problems. I've seen several complains about the most recent ATI drivers, and user reverting back to an old version. I don't have the exact numbers in mind, though
- give us a summary of your settings in the video driver (AA, AF, mipmapping etc...)
- show us your FSX advanced configuration screens, so that we can see if you made any mistake there.
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 4:51am

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Thank you much for the reply.

1- I have no crossfire, I have one card with dual GPUs.
2- I've been trying drivers starting with 9.1 till 10.1 with no much difference except for one (I can't remember the number that caused low system performance in general).
3- I could not install Video card Catalyst software for some reason (my system just freezes when I start installing it) so I just install the drivers after expanding Catalyst using device manager. so I have no setup for AA, AF except from FSX.
4- Advanced setting in FSX were exactly as posted in tweak thread, then I tried my own tweaking with no luck (I will try to post a screen shot later).
 

AUSUS Ramp Page II Extreme motherboard BIOS 1802
Intel i7 965x @3.2 Gh (O.C. @4.0Gh)
3X2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600Mh
2 150GB WD HD  @10000 RPM
1 300Gb Maxtor HD @7400 RPM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 RAM PCIe Video card
1 Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" monitor
3 Philips Brilliance 220SW 22" monitors on Matorx TripleHead2Go Digital
Windows 7 64bit + FSX
1200 watts power supply
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Reply #3 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 10:35am

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why did you go into tweaking in the first place? unless you know exactly what you're doing, that is not my case when computers are concern, you shouldn't need it. you bought a bigger better computer let it do the job. you should play with the game not the pc. here is my advise, you probably won't like it. go to the fsx settings main page, put back default settings. then go in personnalize, see what the program offer you as original settings and start from that.remember if you add something somewhere the program will take it elsewhere, it's like a balance.i am sure with original sttings it will give you more then 8-13 fps, if it don't clean up a little bit, this mean you have too much stuff running background. i personnaly put more realism in the plane appearence than anything else. i mostly fly in VC so i want it to look real. i dont have any xtreme terrain, mesh,weather or clouds, why should i ? if i want to see clouds i go out and enjoy the view. no pc will ever match the real world. i love flying my plane wherever in the world, i don't care if niagara falls doesn't look like the real one, there not.enjoy your pc. work with it,not against it. preaching finish. see you.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 10:47am

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I had the same problem, I can usually run FSX at 20-30 FPS and then I was getting around 8, even with the settings all the way down!
This probably isn't your problem, but it can't hurt to check.
I had the FPS slider set to 10  Embarrassed
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:24am

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Trying to benchmark your system with a pmdg airplane (747 in the VC?) will lead to endless frustration!

Your framerates don't sound all that far fetched.  I seriously doubt that there is anything at all wrong with your hardware, but I don't know much about the 4870 card and its interaction with FSX   

I would absolutely overclock your processor to around 4 ghz, if you can, and don't expect to run everything, especially traffic, at 100 percent.  I would also recommend looking into something like GameBooster or AlacrityPC (?) which will temporarily disable unnescessary background processes.  I think if you can bring it up to a smooth 20 fps at a heavy airport, you will be happy.

When I first got my system, I was expecting it to crunch FSX like it was nothing...I had been reading too many tall tales written by people who I later found out were flying the default cessna over unimpressive terrain.  Expect certain addons to humble your system.
 
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Reply #6 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 12:38pm

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jlab58 wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 10:35am:
why did you go into tweaking in the first place? unless you know exactly what you're doing, that is not my case when computers are concern, you shouldn't need it. you bought a bigger better computer let it do the job. you should play with the game not the pc. here is my advise, you probably won't like it. go to the fsx settings main page, put back default settings. then go in personnalize, see what the program offer you as original settings and start from that.remember if you add something somewhere the program will take it elsewhere, it's like a balance.i am sure with original sttings it will give you more then 8-13 fps, if it don't clean up a little bit, this mean you have too much stuff running background. i personnaly put more realism in the plane appearence than anything else. i mostly fly in VC so i want it to look real. i dont have any xtreme terrain, mesh,weather or clouds, why should i ? if i want to see clouds i go out and enjoy the view. no pc will ever match the real world. i love flying my plane wherever in the world, i don't care if niagara falls doesn't look like the real one, there not.enjoy your pc. work with it,not against it. preaching finish. see you.


Thanks jlab58,
I did start from scratch (very clean system with all settings at default) and still have this low FPS in busy airports, system OK when I leave airport behind me.
About the terrain and clouds texture, here is the thing, I live in Saudi Arabia (mostly desert with no rain for several years) and it does matter to me to see a good view.
For the background running stuff, I did kill all programs except for the required ones and still same issue.
Thanks for your input.
 

AUSUS Ramp Page II Extreme motherboard BIOS 1802
Intel i7 965x @3.2 Gh (O.C. @4.0Gh)
3X2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600Mh
2 150GB WD HD  @10000 RPM
1 300Gb Maxtor HD @7400 RPM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 RAM PCIe Video card
1 Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" monitor
3 Philips Brilliance 220SW 22" monitors on Matorx TripleHead2Go Digital
Windows 7 64bit + FSX
1200 watts power supply
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Reply #7 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 12:40pm

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Thud wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 10:47am:
I had the same problem, I can usually run FSX at 20-30 FPS and then I was getting around 8, even with the settings all the way down!
This probably isn't your problem, but it can't hurt to check.
I had the FPS slider set to 10  Embarrassed



Thanks Thud;
i tried all FPS lock settings, I'm running unlimited FPS now.
 

AUSUS Ramp Page II Extreme motherboard BIOS 1802
Intel i7 965x @3.2 Gh (O.C. @4.0Gh)
3X2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600Mh
2 150GB WD HD  @10000 RPM
1 300Gb Maxtor HD @7400 RPM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 RAM PCIe Video card
1 Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" monitor
3 Philips Brilliance 220SW 22" monitors on Matorx TripleHead2Go Digital
Windows 7 64bit + FSX
1200 watts power supply
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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 1:00pm

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snippyfsxer wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 11:24am:
Trying to benchmark your system with a pmdg airplane (747 in the VC?) will lead to endless frustration!

Your framerates don't sound all that far fetched.  I seriously doubt that there is anything at all wrong with your hardware, but I don't know much about the 4870 card and its interaction with FSX   

I would absolutely overclock your processor to around 4 ghz, if you can, and don't expect to run everything, especially traffic, at 100 percent.  I would also recommend looking into something like GameBooster or AlacrityPC (?) which will temporarily disable unnescessary background processes.  I think if you can bring it up to a smooth 20 fps at a heavy airport, you will be happy.

When I first got my system, I was expecting it to crunch FSX like it was nothing...I had been reading too many tall tales written by people who I later found out were flying the default cessna over unimpressive terrain.  Expect certain addons to humble your system.


Thanks snippyfsxer2
To be honest, I really bench mark my system against this FSX because I bout it 2 years after FSX was released assuming that it will handle every thing with no glitch, but unfortunately did not go this way but I'm still trying to get the best out of it.
PMDG products are very realistically done and I like so much what they do and I use there MD-11 as my primary flying Aircraft (I'm testing their new B747-8 extension now) and that what really matters to me, having a realistic VC with fully modeled systems.
for the background running stuff, I started from a real clean system, there was no anti virus even, and still low FPS at busy airports (when I start rolling down the runway at "FlyTampa" JFK add on FSX just like slide show with 5-6 max 9 FPS, I think it should not be the case with this kind of hardware).
it could be the ATI card (but still waiting for nVidia Fermi Code named GF100 bench marking) before I decide to change.

Thanks again for your input.
 

AUSUS Ramp Page II Extreme motherboard BIOS 1802
Intel i7 965x @3.2 Gh (O.C. @4.0Gh)
3X2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600Mh
2 150GB WD HD  @10000 RPM
1 300Gb Maxtor HD @7400 RPM
ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB DDR5 RAM PCIe Video card
1 Samsung SyncMaster 2693HM 26" monitor
3 Philips Brilliance 220SW 22" monitors on Matorx TripleHead2Go Digital
Windows 7 64bit + FSX
1200 watts power supply
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Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 4:20pm

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penta_a wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 12:40pm:
Thud wrote on Feb 7th, 2010 at 10:47am:
I had the same problem, I can usually run FSX at 20-30 FPS and then I was getting around 8, even with the settings all the way down!
This probably isn't your problem, but it can't hurt to check.
I had the FPS slider set to 10  Embarrassed



Thanks Thud;
i tried all FPS lock settings, I'm running unlimited FPS now.

Grin No prob.
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2010 at 10:26pm

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Thats strange!

I get amazing performance(40-50fps.) on my PC

I dont have much either.


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2.20GHz
2 GB of ram
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(with a crappy power supply)
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Reply #11 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 2:05am

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Hehe!

Thanks lunitic, I like your comment, especially when I hear all the headaches people have with their i7's and sttttutttterr, shhhhiiimmmerrr, pauses and what not...

I'm OK too with my 2.6 Ghz CPU/9600 GT Alpha Dog, VUF-VUF, GRRRR!!
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penta_a:

Have you read and done what NickN says?:

http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1208959973/0#0

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041

If not, DO IT NOW, you won't regret it!


 
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Reply #12 - Feb 8th, 2010 at 4:34pm

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Thai09 wrote on Feb 8th, 2010 at 2:05am:
Hehe!

Thanks lunitic, I like your comment, especially when I hear all the headaches people have with their i7's and sttttutttterr, shhhhiiimmmerrr, pauses and what not...

I'm OK too with my 2.6 Ghz CPU/9600 GT Alpha Dog, VUF-VUF, GRRRR!!
Grin

penta_a:

Have you read and done what NickN says?:

http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1208959973/0#0

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041

If not, DO IT NOW, you won't regret it!




Grin Grin EXACTLY! You don't need a fancy i7 to run your FSX, It's all up to your fine tuning and tweaking.

This is what I get with my computer. http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265599219

...with no need of a i7....I'll stick to my dual cores.
 

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