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Feb 2nd, 2010 at 6:44pm

Fozzer   Offline
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Hello Chums... Wink...!

Does anyone know where I can get a Carburettor Heat "WARNING LIGHT" Gauge, which works together with the Carb Heat Knob?

Its too easy to accidentally leave the Carb Heater Knob on (pulled out) during Take-off, climb, etc, causing the power to be reduced!

A warning light would indicate whether its pushed in (Heat off, light off) ..take-off-climb, or pulled out (Heat on, light on).. Throttle closed for landing, or Icy conditions....Wink...!

I can fit it close to the Heater Knob....just to remind me!...Wink...!

Many thanks!...

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Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 7:03pm
SeanTK   Ex Member

 
No success yet, Paul. I'll keep looking, but it may be a case of needing to extract a simple little annunciator light from another panel, and coding it to activate when the heat is on. (Beyond my expertise....)
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 7:10pm

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No success yet, Paul. I'll keep looking, but it may be a case of needing to extract a simple little annunciator light from another panel, and coding it to activate when the heat is on. (Beyond my expertise....)


Ta, Sean... Wink...!

The position of the Heater Knob is vital to know!... Wink...!

Like you said, coding a light to do the job requires special coding knowledge....
..I know how to Boil and Egg...but that's about all... Cry.... Grin...!

Maybe there is already one, (Gauge), somewhere, which has been produced?... Roll Eyes,,,!

Paul...Heating the Water for the Egg!.... Wink...!
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 1:18pm
SeanTK   Ex Member

 
Paul, you may want to put a request out in the panel design area. I'm still coming up empty-handed here.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 1:35pm

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Paul, you may want to put a request out in the panel design area. I'm still coming up empty-handed here.


Ta for looking, Sean..

I was wondering if such a device already existed somewhere, maybe on an existing Aircraft that I hadn't come across.
I did do a number of "Googles", but nothing useful came up... Sad...!

Never mind, its not that urgent. It would just be useful to have it fitted in the panels of some of my GA normally aspirated Piston Props.

In real life, it would be a very easy modification to carry out with a Lamp and a Micro-switch!... Grin...!

Paul....a leading light... Cool...!

A useful read on the subject of Carburettor Icing:

www.gasco.org.uk/upload/docs/GASCo%20paper%20final.doc
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2010 at 9:28pm

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Hi Paul... Smiley

Some good information in that "Link".

WESTACH makes a good Carburetor Temperature Guage with a Low Temperature Alarm and Warning Light.

There are several good guages with alarms and warning lights available.

The DeHavilland DHC-2 Beaver and DHC-3 Otter both had Carburetor Temperature Guages with a Carburetor Temperature Control that could be set at different settings.  Other notable aircraft like the Douglas DC3/Dak and Consolidated Canso also had similar systems.  This was nothing like you see in your Cessna 150 or 172.

I am sure when aircraft went through instrument upgrades the Carburetor Temperature Guage was also replace with one that included a Low Temperature Alarm and Warning Light.  I know some of ours did along with a GPS unit etc.

How to Fly Safely in Carb Ice Conditions

When icing conditions exist, apply carburetor heat often at your cruise throttle setting.

Never use partial carburetor heat unless the aircraft is equipped with a carburetor temperature gauge, ice light, or similar instrumentation. Partial heat can possibly make matters worse, unless you know exact carburetor temperatures. Remember, full heat or nothing.

When below the green band on the rpm or MP gauge, apply carburetor heat. It is good practice to use it on any descent where you have reduced power. Use that carburetor heat control on any aircraft at reduced power settings and especially for landing.

In conditions conducive to icing or if ice was noted during engine run-up, perform another carburetor heat check immediately before takeoff. DO NOT leave carburetor heat on for the actual takeoff. Check your POH or aircraft manual for general guidance.



Final Reminder

Carburetor heat will keep carb ice from forming if applied early enough, often enough, and long enough.

Final Note

The last Royal Canadian Air Force Dakota Aircraft lost in service was lost at too low an altitude to recover with full loss of crew while on a Search and Rescue Mission.  The cause of the accident was Carburetor Ice.

On a personal note I was flying a Douglas DC3 with only the co-pilot south down Hudson Bay at about 8000 feet when we dam near lost an engine due to Carburetor Ice and our inattentiveness.  The aircraft rolled ninety degrees before either one of us could get our feet on the rudder pedals.  It happened in a split second.
We were lucky, very lucky, we had altitude and I had a co-pilot who was built like a wrestler.  We were empty of freight and passengers. 
Did I learn anything...oh yes.

Up to then we used to let the crewmen, loadies (whether they had a pilots licence or not) sit up front and fly when we had no passengers or freight and we would sit in the comfortable rear seat.
That came to an end, one pilot always had to be in the left or right seat all the time were my rules. 
Sometimes it takes sticky pants to smarten  some of us aviators up... Wink

Sorry Paul do not know how to post a "Link", you know that red line most of you post to an information site.  Have not figured that out yet. Roll Eyes

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug



 

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 2:37pm

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Goodly afternoon all... Wink

Further to the above post.

Paul like Sean I searched around for an answer but came up with nothing, to make the light work a probe has to be inserted into the carburetor which would seem like a real feat for a novice computer person like myself to do.

I did find a single engine Carburetor Temperature Guage that could be installed on single engine aircraft and that was on the DeHavilland DHC-2 Beaver which you probably already have installed.
Not sure if you can just extract it from the Beaver and paste it into the aircraft of your choice or not.

If it did work then that would help a little with knowing about your Carburetor Heat Control as you could see on the guage if you have heat applied or not.

Just an idea... Smiley

Other Carburetor Heat Control Guages for twins were found on the Grumman Goose, Douglas DC3 and Canadair CL215 all here at Simviation.

Sorry was not much help but if I come across something will let you know.   Wink

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 

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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2010 at 3:25pm

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Hello Doug...

What I was wondering, if anyone had assigned a separate panel indicator warning light to become illuminated whenever the Pilot pulled out the Carb Heat Control Knob (hot air by-pass), and was extinguished when he/she pushed it back again!

I've lost count of the number of times that I have suffered a poor lift-off, or missed approach, not realising the my Carb Heat Knob has been left pulled out, without me noticing, therefore seriously reducing the Engine power available!

Carb Icing affected my Vintage Cars and Motorcycles.... Shocked...!

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004....and a warm Carburettor on cold days... Cool...!
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2010 at 8:41am

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My new Carb Heat Light, courtesy of dave3cu.

Fitted just above the Carb Heat Knob: Light, Red=Heat off. Amber light=Heat applied.
Example:
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/carbheatlight.jpg

Cessna C150_v2.zip
Position= 551,668,15,15

It works a treat... Smiley...!

Many thanks Dave....MY Hero!

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