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Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:46pm

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Hello! I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but I'll take a stab at it.
Do GA pilots listen to music in the cockpit during flight? I figure that, with the workload a pilot deals with in general, listening to music while in flight would be a distraction. But, I really don't know. What are your thoughts?

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Reply #1 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:01pm

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ViperPilot wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:46pm:
Hello! I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but I'll take a stab at it.
Do GA pilots listen to music in the cockpit during flight? I figure that, with the workload a pilot deals with in general, listening to music while in flight would be a distraction. But, I really don't know. What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

Alan


I'm sure there are some that do. Whether I would be deemed prudent, or good airmanship is another matter.  Smiley Unless you're in a non radio aeroplane, or not under an ATC service at all, then I'd probably not recommend it. Would a professional flight crew do it? You'd hope not.

There may well be systems available which are able to cut off the music when anything is received/transmitted on the radio
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:14pm

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C wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:01pm:
ViperPilot wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:46pm:
Hello! I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but I'll take a stab at it.
Do GA pilots listen to music in the cockpit during flight? I figure that, with the workload a pilot deals with in general, listening to music while in flight would be a distraction. But, I really don't know. What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

Alan


I'm sure there are some that do. Whether I would be deemed prudent, or good airmanship is another matter.  Smiley Unless you're in a non radio aeroplane, or not under an ATC service at all, then I'd probably not recommend it. Would a professional flight crew do it? You'd hope not.

There may well be systems available which are able to cut off the music when anything is received/transmitted on the radio


Most of the aircraft that I have been around are setup up to interrupt the music anytime something is on the radio.  Of course I am sure there are some of the cheaper pilots out there who are just using a MP3 player and ear buds instead. 
 
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Reply #3 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:43pm

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Hello!

Thanks for the replies so far; it's just something that I wondered about... I was thinking that it would be nice during a x- country flight.

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Reply #4 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 4:33pm

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DaveSims wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:14pm:
C wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 3:01pm:
ViperPilot wrote on Feb 1st, 2010 at 2:46pm:
Hello! I don't know if anyone has brought this up before, but I'll take a stab at it.
Do GA pilots listen to music in the cockpit during flight? I figure that, with the workload a pilot deals with in general, listening to music while in flight would be a distraction. But, I really don't know. What are your thoughts?

Thanks!

Alan


I'm sure there are some that do. Whether I would be deemed prudent, or good airmanship is another matter.  Smiley Unless you're in a non radio aeroplane, or not under an ATC service at all, then I'd probably not recommend it. Would a professional flight crew do it? You'd hope not.

There may well be systems available which are able to cut off the music when anything is received/transmitted on the radio


Most of the aircraft that I have been around are setup up to interrupt the music anytime something is on the radio.


Sounds a good system. I've never seen it over here, but then again due to our limited space, and consequently busier radios, you'd never hear much music.

There are certainly some places where it would and could have its merits. Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 4:44pm

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Yea, I can plug my MP3 player into my headset, and it will interrupt if anyone talks.
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 7:11pm
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As the others have said, there are plenty of headset or in-panel options to allow a CD or MP3 player to be played when there is no radio traffic.

I would never use a music system during IFR flight, and would only be willing to try a system once it was demonstrated to me that it is reliable, and then I would probably only use it on short VFR tours when I take friends up.  Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 1st, 2010 at 7:48pm

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As the others have said, there are plenty of headset or in-panel options to allow a CD or MP3 player to be played when there is no radio traffic.

I would never use a music system during IFR flight, and would only be willing to try a system once it was demonstrated to me that it is reliable, and then I would probably only use it on short VFR tours when I take friends up.  Smiley


The guys I know live by it, VFR or IFR, unless traffic is getting really intense.  Most of them have their systems wired into the intercom system, with an input on the panel to plug in either an MP3 player, or Garmin with XM.  One thing I do when using it is to set the radio volume pretty loud, then the music at a normal level, that way it doesn't sound the same. 
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 12:53pm

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I'd be leary of not hearing a subtle message from the engine.

I'd advise a PIC to not preoccupy any of his sensory input, nor add a distraction to the cockpit.
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 3:03pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Feb 2nd, 2010 at 12:53pm:
I'd be leary of not hearing a subtle message from the engine.

I'd advise a PIC to not preoccupy any of his sensory input, nor add a distraction to the cockpit.


IMHO, it isn't much different than using a noise-cancelling headset.  Unless you have the music turned WAY up, you can still hear most of the engine noise.
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 3:36pm

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We're granted a great deal of leeway, as pilots. Gotta decide for ourselves what we should, and should not do.

That's just my opinion/advice.  Smiley
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2010 at 4:45pm

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The only time I've listened to music in flight was when me and my primary flight instructor took a Sunday morning local leisure flight.  It was long after I had my ticket and he was in town  with some time off from the airline he now flies for.  We listened to Stevie Ray Vaughn and it was a stunning day for flying.  Other than that I never really thought to listen to music while flying.

We have to remember that our attention is like a flashlight that illuminates only so much at a time.  In order to listen to music, we must pay attention if even for a brief second.
 

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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:29am

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I've never listened to music while flying either R-W or in the sim. Too many things going on most of the time and when not, I'd rather listen to the radio chatter.
 
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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 8:56pm

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I thnk the question should be:

Would you want pilot of the airplane on which you're a passenger, to be fiddling with, and listening to his iPod ?


(I wouldn'tSmiley
 
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Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:18pm

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I've only experienced this once- in a Champ that actually had an XM radio receiver patched into the intercom. The PIC didn't monkey with it much at all- just turned it on and quickly adjusted the volume before we got going.
I didn't think I would enjoy it (always thought I was a purist about airplane noises), but I did.

  With only ordinary headsets and the music at a reasonable volume, I think we'd have noticed if the engine acted up. Of course, if the engine acts up in a Champ, you basically stop moving forward and begin descending immediately... a pretty strong hint.  Wink  Grin

But I think with a good ANR headset, and of course the muting feature that interrupts music for all comms, it would not isolate the pilot much at all. Even better would be a system that ramps the music volume up and down in response to ambient noise level, as is done in many cars nowadays.

I've used ANRs only once, also- in a biplane. I was stunned at how the system squelched the wind blast and the loudest part of the exhaust note, but actually clarified the more subtle (and more important) sounds of valves, etc... and even the rigging sounds . It really seemed to enhance the ability to monitor the engine.

Another benefit: assuming, again, that the music is not too loud or harsh, listening to music, as opposed to the raw blat of the engine or a hushed version, is probably better for your hearing. More variety of frequencies. Music, listened to with headphones and with specific frequencies notched out, has been proven to diminish tinnitus in some studies... tinnitus is typically not so much damage to the working parts of the ear, or the nerves themselves, but a brain-function thing, a corruption of the wetware, so to speak.
 

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Reply #15 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:36pm

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Howdy!

Thanks for all of the replies. I just wanted to add something to the mix:

Please keep in mind that I'm not condoning one view or the other. The reason I asked the question in the 1st place was simply as a question, not to say 'I think pilots should be able to listen to music', or 'pilots should never be distracted by any outside influence, like listening to music'.

Not being a real world pilot (just a rank amateur noob sim jockey), I honestly did not know if you could even listen to music in the cockpit, period. I didn't even think about  satellite radio or Mp3 players.

In short, I didn't mean for this thread to turn into a shouting match or a venue for vehement argument.

Thanks, and I really appreciate the input and help from everyone who posts and is a member of this forum website!

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Reply #16 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:43pm

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I've gotten a speeding ticket, and even missed an exit; because I was listening to music while driving.. so I know that jamming to Tom Petty while flying an airplane is not for me. And I'd just as soon the pilot to me as a passenger not be doing it either..  Cheesy
 
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Reply #17 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 9:45pm

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I've experienced something like this a few times. On my first cross-country with my old instructor, he ended up getting bored (flying up here will do that on long trips, not a whole lot to see), so he decided to tune in an AM radio station on ADF reciever, with the volume way down low, it wasn't too bad, but I've never ever tried it outside of that first cross-country. Last summer be and my buddy did our commercial cross-country out to Ottawa, and he flew the way back, I tried to listen to my iPod, putting the ear phones in my ears and such, but in the end that just hurt them, so that failed. Then more recently, me and another buddy did another cross-country up over Northern Lake Superior, and he's got the fancy headset where he can listen to music, so that's what he did for half of the way back while I flew, until we ran into some weather, then the fun and games were saved until we got back on the ground. My thoughts about it are, if you are responsible about it, and don't abuse it, than go for it, just remember to aviate, navigate, and communicate when appropriate.
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 3rd, 2010 at 10:54pm
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Viper,

I don't think this ever turned into a shouting match or a typical online argument. You have nothing to apologize for, and I think that it was a very good and interesting question to ask.
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I personally believe that I would have difficulty focusing on the expected tasks at hand in the cockpit with music playing, but that's just me.  Smiley
 
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Reply #19 - Feb 4th, 2010 at 11:25am

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I just sing to myself... Smiley....

..and with a good pair of tight fitting David Clark's, fortunately, I cant hear the result... Wink...!

Paul...G-BPLF...humming along quietly... Cool...!
 

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