Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Changing L/D of a previously released add-on aircraft? (Read 1397 times)
Jan 18th, 2010 at 8:29pm

crewdog   Offline
Colonel
Fly FS

Posts: 11
*****
 
Hi all,


First I should mention that I've tried to contact the designer of the add-on aircraft I'm messing about with, but his email is no longer active. But I've been reading about a certain model, and the sink/glide rate in the model is too benign and (for my OWN USE ONLY!) I'd like to change it to try to more accurately reflect the real aircraft.

Is this a simple thing to do via changing a value or three in the aircraft.cfg file, or is there more to it?


TIA,

Steve
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - Jan 19th, 2010 at 5:03pm

gypsymoth   Offline
Colonel
Oh no...!!
EGHH

Gender: male
Posts: 737
*****
 
I'm not an expert but a seeker of knowledge like your good self but a ? occurs to me...what's the aircraft  Huh
 

When the c**p hits the fan, get a tent. 
It's never too late for a happy childhood....

1) Intel I7 980X Extreme CPU Professionally overclocked to 4.2Ghz
Gigabyte X58 UD7 Motherboard (USB 2 & 3)
12GB Corsair Vengeance (3 x 4Gb) Tri Channel DDR 3 1600Mhz
OCZ Bigfoot 2E 120 Gb SSD HDD (OS and applications)
2 x 1.5TB HDD’s Samsung Spin point F1 (RAID 1) Drives (Data inc maps, photos music etc.)
LG Blu-Ray RW Drive
Samsung DVDRW Drive
Asus GTX 590 Graphics Card, Dual GPU
Antec 1200 Twelve Hundred Tower Case
Corsair 1000w Modular True Power, Power Supply
Corsair H70 Water-cooled sealed CPU Cooler
Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit & I use a 24" Dell U2412M monitor.
2) AWD-IT GPC36 E8600 Overclocked Intel E8600 Core 2 Duo @ 4.0Ghz 6MB Cache 1333FSB CPU / Asus P5Q Pro Intel P45 Crossfire DDR2 Motherboard / ATI 4870 512Mb / OCZ 4GB DDR2 PC8500 1066Mhz Memory / 500Gb SATA Hard Drive / 22x DVD-RW/Vista 64bi &  20" Dell widescreen.
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 12:36am

crewdog   Offline
Colonel
Fly FS

Posts: 11
*****
 
gypsymoth wrote on Jan 19th, 2010 at 5:03pm:
I'm not an expert but a seeker of knowledge like your good self but a ? occurs to me...what's the aircraft  Huh


The X-24A by Tim Conrad for FS 9. I'm currently reading Milt Thompson's excellent book "Flying without wings" about the lifting body program, and wanted to see if I could make it behave more like the real X-24A.
« Last Edit: Jan 20th, 2010 at 1:56am by crewdog »  
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 4:41am

JakesF14   Offline
Colonel
Blistering Barnacles!
South Africa

Gender: male
Posts: 1866
*****
 
Hi, I am no expert, but yes, you have to play around with the CFG, especially with the following settings:

wing_area      wing_area = 176.0      Area of the top surface of the entire wing tip-to-tip (ft2).
wing_span      wing_span = 36.0      Wing span is the horizontal distance from wing-tip to wing-tip (feet).
oswald_efficiency_factor      oswald_efficiency_factor = 0.7      This is a measure of the aerodynamic efficiency of the wing.  A theoretically “perfect” wing will have an OEF of 1.0.
and then of course, the COG would have an impact, as well as the weight?

I know that X-24A does not really have wings, but still when FS9 calculate the behaviour ,it includes the wing geometry.

I suggest you download the Aircraft Container SDK here, it will most certainly help. It explains the CFG file very well.

Enjoy!
 

...
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 2:46am

garryrussell   Offline
Colonel
Hello!

Gender: male
Posts: 677
*****
 
The cfg will only change a few things. The flying characteristics are largely in the .air file
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 3:21am

JakesF14   Offline
Colonel
Blistering Barnacles!
South Africa

Gender: male
Posts: 1866
*****
 
garryrussell wrote on Jan 21st, 2010 at 2:46am:
The cfg will only change a few things. The flying characteristics are largely in the .air file


Thanks Garry, I haven't gone there yet!  Smiley some tutorials you can suggest??
 

...
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 3:25am

garryrussell   Offline
Colonel
Hello!

Gender: male
Posts: 677
*****
 
Sorry Jake

Can't really advice the best tutorials as I have never looked for, or seen any.

I've never touched airfiles....but am well aware of the problems in getting dynamics to work correctly

Playing with that or the CFG setting can cause a lot of other probs unless it's done carefully.

Basically one thing can upset another so I leave that to those who know what they are doing.

You do need an airfile editor and an understanding of how dynamics interact in real life.

It's amazing how many FS models have incorrect engine positions and thrust lines or GC positions in the wrong place.

It's often the case that the problem is not where you first think it is. Huh

On one model I downloaded the tailplane was near the top of the fin intstead of the rear fuse where the tailplane is.

Another had the thrust line ten feet above the aircraft.


It's a bit of a minefield so best only work on copies.

Garry



 
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 4:29am

JakesF14   Offline
Colonel
Blistering Barnacles!
South Africa

Gender: male
Posts: 1866
*****
 
Understand, and then you have to have a bit of understanding of aerodynamics as well.

Enjoy!
 

...
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2010 at 1:45pm

nickle   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
San Diego, Ca

Gender: male
Posts: 342
*****
 

Agree that fundamental aero parameters are in the FDE.  If MS aero is wrong or the incorrect parameters applied, flight characteristics will be wrong.  However the aircraft config file contains vital aircraft parameters that do affect flight characteristics given the correct FDE choice.  Change the htail_pos_long to half of the stated value and test fly.  The major aero weakness MS FS is aircraft parameter entry.  Detailed dimensions and weights are available at a price for many aircraft but not generally available.  Most FSX prop aircraft are disappointing performers as issued.  Up to the user to test performance and attempt to verify aero dimensions.  For MOI see Abacus Flight Dynamics Engine tutorial on how to calclate bottom of the page.  Note the MS parsing of Data Reference Point aka Standard Center Point and Reference Datum in Aircraft Configuration Files, SDK.  Point is 1/4 chord.  Datum is referenced to Point. 0,0,0 means Acft CL, 1/4 chord, vertical.  Apex means tip of with respect to Point or Datum.  For htail_long it is the distance from 0,0,0 measured CL to a point perpendicular to the leading edge of the verical fin.
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print