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Reply #15 -
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Most of my music I play is based on the sequence of notes written by the Masters...J. S. Bach and his forebears....which is now converted into (Western) Rock Music, etc...
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Pachebel's "Canon"...."Hotel California"!...
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Paul..."...you can check out any time...but you can never leave..."...
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American "Country Songs", I avoid...trust me...
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Proves my point. The Eagles are a country rock band. Pachebel's "Canon" sounds more like "Streets of London" to me.
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Jan 7
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Hagar wrote
on Jan 7
th
, 2010 at 6:10am:
Fozzer wrote
on Jan 7
th
, 2010 at 5:57am:
Most of my music I play is based on the sequence of notes written by the Masters...J. S. Bach and his forebears....which is now converted into (Western) Rock Music, etc...
...!
Pachebel's "Canon"...."Hotel California"!...
...!
Paul..."...you can check out any time...but you can never leave..."...
...!
American "Country Songs", I avoid...trust me...
..
...!
Proves my point. The Eagles are a country rock band. Pachebel's "Canon" sounds more like "Streets of London" to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctb-SrwL884
It it is interesting that the Chord sequence used in Pachebel's "Canon" appears in much of today's Western music.....I hear it all the time...the old; "Four beats to the Bar"...
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Paul....after me.....
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Jan 7
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To each his own, but I bet I can find at least ten contemporary country songs in just a few minutes that Paul would like if he actually listened to them. I don't like Opera, Polka, or rap, which I do not even consider music. Although I have heard, unwillingly, a few recent ones that actually have some nice music in them. I just don't like the chants or the usual subject matter. Now Blues, R&B, and Soul, that is horse of a different color entirely.
Hey, there goes Elvis, "Yo King!"
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In my opinion there is good music & bad music. If you restrict yourself to one style you're missing out on a lot. I never liked the idea of categories or that awful word genres everyone uses nowadays.
PS. I was never a great fan of Elvis Presley but I quite like some of his earlier stuff. A lot of that is pure country.
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Hagar wrote
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, 2010 at 6:53am:
In my opinion there is good music & bad music. If you restrict yourself to one style you're missing out on a lot. I never liked the idea of categories
or that awful word genres everyone uses nowadays
.
PS. I was never a great fan of Elvis Presley but I quite like some of his earlier stuff. A lot of that is pure country.
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Reply #20 -
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Hagar wrote
on Jan 7
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, 2010 at 6:53am:
In my opinion there is good music & bad music. If you restrict yourself to one style you're missing out on a lot. I never liked the idea of categories or that awful word genres everyone uses nowadays.
PS. I was never a great fan of Elvis Presley but I quite like some of his earlier stuff. A lot of that is pure country.
Well said. My 7
th
, 8
th
, and 9
th
grade music teacher would roll over in her grave if she thought I only listened to one type. I went to several Community Concerts, the best of which was Ferrante & Teicher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrante_and_Teicher
Earlier, I said what I did not like. I do like quite a bit of classical, pop, 50s, 60s, 70s rock, rock & roll, hard rock, soft rock, R & B, Blues, Soul, Gospel, Praise, quartet, bluegrass, and COUNTRY! Sorry Paul.
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Reply #21 -
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Cool topic I'd say. Yes, be patient, we're all here for you.
Elvis: A friend of mine just bought his CD sets, 50's, 60's, 70's. Hearing a lot of tunes I never heard before. His voice was just the absolute greatest, and very versatile. The previously unheard stuff covers different styles from country types, rock a billy, gospel, and of course just plain good ol R&R, and he was just sooooo good. What a great voice. Some of the recordings were impromptu, that is, it just kind of happened on the spot in the studio.
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Jan 7
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Oh yeah, back to the topic, how to write a tune. It does help if you can play either guitar or keyboards, you didn't say.
Tune composition 101:
Lyrics and melody line thereof. That's what a tune is. Rhythm is contained within the melody line. Either the lyrics or the melody line can come first. They have to be co-ordinated of course, and some adjustments may have to be made to do so, for example, the lyrics usually need to be properly syllabilized to get them 'melody correct', or the melody may have to be adjusted to the lyrics.
Lyrics are usually easier to compose than melody. Sit around with a notebook handy, either at work, school, or just watching TV, and jot down lyrics ideas when they come to you. They can be either complete lines or partials. You can splice the partials together later. With computer word processing, this notation and splicing process would be quite easy today.
The melody line is totally another story. Good luck there. Exactly how they do it, or how I did it long ago, I really don't know. It's also difficult to hold an original tune in your head, maybe you could hum it into a recording device of some kind. I've always marveled at the originality of good tune melodies, whether it be "Danny Boy" or a Black Sabbath tune.
It's just difficult, period, with the main problem being the coordination of lyrics and melody. And selling country tunes even more so. Friend of mine wrote a couple a few years ago, hired studio musicians to record them, they were pure country and sounded OK, but couldn't sell them. The country music industry is more driven by on-going established groups (I think), and there's your main competion.
My composing credentials: 1972, single handedly wrote a 45 minute long rock album (5 tunes only) for my group back then in what could be called the 'British' genre as it was influenced by Jethro Tull and King Crimson. A most difficult and mentally draining project.
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Reply #23 -
Jan 7
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I started a little piece of a song it sounds great in my opinion I just can't think of anymore to add so I need some ideas, I need a beginning though this sounds like a piece right after the beginning this is how it goes...
I got an 8 point buck's head on my living room wall.
that was it.
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Reply #24 -
Jan 7
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I got an 8 point bucks head on my living room wall.
My house is on wheels and we're having a ball.
8 point buck.
8 point buck.
I hitched the house to my pickup truck.
I drove away, house and all,
me and my 8 point buck.
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
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Steve M wrote
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, 2010 at 9:22pm:
I got an 8 point bucks head on my living room wall.
My house is on wheels and we're having a ball.
8 point buck.
8 point buck.
I hitched the house to my pickup truck.
I drove away, house and all,
me and my 8 point buck.
LMAO!!!
I know some people that fit that description.
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Apex wrote
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, 2010 at 10:49am:
Lyrics are usually easier to compose than melody.
I found this step was much easier when I was an angry teenager with a lot to complain about.
The older I get, the less I seem to be angry enough to write about things.
Music on the other hand, flows from me like water. I have too many songs, and not enough words.
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Jan 7
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ShaneG wrote
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, 2010 at 9:30pm:
Steve M wrote
on Jan 7
th
, 2010 at 9:22pm:
I got an 8 point bucks head on my living room wall.
My house is on wheels and we're having a ball.
8 point buck.
8 point buck.
I hitched the house to my pickup truck.
I drove away, house and all,
me and my 8 point buck.
LMAO!!!
I know some people that fit that description.
Me to!
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
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I like that addition to the song keep coming up with some ideas.
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Jan 7
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Not to rain on your parade, but there is already a song entitled 30 Point Buck by Bananas At Large. Having said that, remember that there are litteraly thousands of songs that are similar in title, theme, lyrics, and music composition. I don't remember the exact rule, but as to music, I think it says you can't repeat more than 8 bars of an exisiting copywritten song. As to lyrics, I have no idea what the rule is. If you really want to know, go to the Library of Congress online. But be prepared for it to take a while. It is an extremely vast site. The last link is to the copyright office. Click on FAQ under About Copyright to get more info. All material that is registered post 1978 is available online. Here are mine:
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?Search_Arg=Davis+Larry+T.+&Search...
I never got around to registering all of them. But you do not have to register a song to own the copyright. It is just much better protection if it is registered.
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Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”
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