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Why I get 50+ FPS in FSX, and you might not! (Read 7071 times)
Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:09am

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No, it's not me that get 50+ FPS, at least not yet, but this guy - Mathijs Kok from Aerosoft does!

There's an interesting discussion over at Aerosoft how he manages to do that, and I must say it's a bresh of fresh air:

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=30796

With an old ATI Radeon 4650 card.. Shocked



 
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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:23am

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I don't know why anyone would want anything over 30FPS. The human eye is best at 30FPS anyways and it is not how many frames you get it is how smooth the overall sim is like.
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 3:47am

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It's complicated, but what about a smooth game with 50 + FPS?!

http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm


 
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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 10:27am

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I read this post with interest.  I read his pdf file explaining what he does and looking at the pictures he posted in the pdf file, the clouds and scenery look more like cartoons than what I expect and get with Nick Needham guides.  I agree with him as far as the defragging goes, but high frame rates just are not the important issue.  Smooth flight is more enjoyable.  When you first install fsx as a clean install you get marvelously high frame rates but it looks silly, cartoonish.  It is not until you get in to changing the settings that fsx excells.  I admit that when I first started following Nicks suggestions I did not always do "all" of the things he said and got missed results.  But after getting some good advice on hardware and settings, went back and followed his settings to the letter.  What difference!  Over the years I have run in to a lot of "experts" but only a very few with the dedication and experience that Nick has.  His background is exemplary.  The fact this this man uses his system for work results says to me he has it optimised for his work scheduled not just for the pleasure of flying in the sim.  My two cents
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 11:00am

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Apparently he doesn't mind a few "jaggies" and some setbacks in IQ, he's more interested in flying. At least that's how I interpret his approach.

But it's ironic that he does this as an Aerosoft spokesman ( - or is it his company?) - they make the most hard hitting add ons when we consider FPS!

Try Venice, Italy - an your CPU is in for a ride I guarantee...

I think he has an "audience" with the people who actually do not understand tweaks and settings like NickN advocates, there's a lot of them around,  if you look at various forums.

PS:

A pilot's view on flying and FSX:

"Ah! you have to love the contentiousness that develops every time someone dares to criticise someone elses tweaks in FSX. I've told you the truth, Mathijs has stated it plainly: FSX has the capability to deliver what most simmers need. But it's the simmers demands - their WANTS - that screw it up most times.

The fact that FSX can't deliver what most simmers WANT is a different issue...

Let me put this into context: I flew a Warrior recently (a real one, not a desktop recreation) to perform a photographic mission for comparison purposes for simmers. It got screwed up:
1: While preparing for the flight from Fairoaks I had to do a walkround in long wet grass. FSX fails to deliver the experience of wet socks, it cannot recreate the fuel drain contortions (I used a rubber mat, but still got my knees wet) and it failed conspicuously to represent the sheer bloody aggravation of getting my maps into a too-small map pocket.
2: It was a sunny winters day and the crazing on the windscreen meant that at certain sun angles there was no view out the front, and at others the poor quality of the glazing meant that every straight line had a kink in it (anti-aliasing as a FALSE flight sim experience? Whatever next?)...
3: After take-off, the GPS gave us a perfect route to the area required, missing all the airways and other traffic, Unfortunately at 1500 AGL the haze was so bad that we could barely see the ground at any slant angle (a criticism levelled at FSX oh so often) and ATC routed us away from some traffic coming into Farnborough, so we strayed conspicuously from the red line. I can see the complaints from FS veterans now.
I then overflew Goodwood without even knowing that was where I was, climbed out over the coast and then turned back to Shoreham and Fairoaks. At no point could I make out clearly a tree, a house or even a golf course on the ground... industrial estates were visible and major roads, but they all look alike - Funnily enough, JUST like FSX...

So don't give us any crap about `realism`. Most non-pilots simply haven't a clue.

In fact, I would now go further, based on our advice:

BEFORE you go out and spend 800 Euros on a new rig, spend a hundred quid on an air experience flight and learn what FSX is really trying to recreate. It will be a terrible, shocking surprise. Or a revelation, depending on whether you take the advice to heart...

Snave, on 11 December 2009"

Something to think about, eh?!
« Last Edit: Jan 2nd, 2010 at 2:21pm by Thai09 »  
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Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 9:36pm

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K.I.S.S. Keep it simple, stupid. I don't have much in the way of add-ons, just a few airplanes. I have a 64 bit AMD quad-core, 6 gigs of ram, some big HD, an NVidea 9400gt 512mg, and I regularly see well in excess of 30fps. When in the great midwest, I can see 60. I don't fly heavy aircraft, though. YMMV. I keep mostly default high or ultrahigh settings on every tab and sometimes turn on DX10, bloom, shadows, etc. The frames are cloud dependant, mostly. I normally run the resolution in 16 bit versus 32 bit which helps.

Most folks that complain are running environments, land mesh enhancements, HD airliners, just gobs of stuff, then turn the settings all the way up, and get 7 fps. then hate it. Then go back to FS9.

I take the easy way to enjoying FSX.

 
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2010 at 9:46pm

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Well I have environments, land mesh enhancements hd aircraft and hd clouds and run most settings full right except traffic, half way for those, 32 bit system so no dx10 but she flys smooth as glass.
 

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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 1:41am

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I have got 220FPS in the past with FSX + REX all maxed with a detailed addon (just for kicks). Most often with DX10 on, I can get stable 80FPS+ in busy places.

Also, I can tell the different between 60fps and 80fps. I did an experiment with my friend, where only he could see the FPS counter, and I had to say how many FPS I thought it was.

Anyway, I have found 51FPS to be the PERFECT FPS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F44N5bJmBCg (hit 200FPS at one point)
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 2:27am

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Looks impressive!

But you didn't max. everything...

Look at 0.56 - no traffic in air, land & sea!
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 6:22am

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220 FPS.... Shocked... Shocked... Shocked...!

...probably why we don't see too many FSX Multiplayer Users in the Sim, where the regulation FPS speed limit is a maximum of 20 FPS so as not to overload the Bandwidth during the session!... Wink...!

...that would deflate a few obsessive egos!... Wink... Wink... Grin...!

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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 7:06am

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Why Paul & I cannot acheive 50+ FPS in FSX :


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Isn't the FSX FPS counter, really inaccurate ?  I know it was way  off in FS2002 & FS9. One of the things that made chasing the FPS snipe so maddening.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 7:51am

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ShaneG wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 7:06am:
Why Paul & I cannot achieve 50+ FPS in FSX :


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Isn't the FSX FPS counter, really inaccurate ?  I know it was way  off in FS2002 & FS9. One of the things that made chasing the FPS snipe so maddening.


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Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 1:06pm

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I think the "50+ FPS" statement is a clever marketing gimmick performed by Mathijs Kok!

Probably directed at the young players - the boys who are totally obsessed with how many FPS you can get in games like "Crysis", and whatever else they like to throw Mom & Dad's money after!

WE, the grown ups, the babyboomers, the cynics, the tired and wornout, we don't really care about FPS, we care about smoothness in our sim and smoothness in our lives outside the sim!

I started this thread to get a discussion going about flying in a sim, or be obsessed with visuals...

There will be aviators, and there will be "landscape artists"!

Who are you??

 
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Reply #13 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 3:47pm

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Quote:
   
  •   Asus Motherboard, no idea which one, as cheap as I could find (€180)
       
  • Core i7, cheapest there is (€230)
       
  • 3 GB of memory, again as cheap as I could find it (€80)
       
  • ATI Radeon 4650 1GB (€50)
       
  • WD VelociRaptor disk (€140)
       
  • Sound/network onboard (€0)


Add a case with 650 watt power supply and you get it for under €800 (in the US this would be around $750). This is written on December 10, 2009 and it will drop about 2% in price every month after that. ............



He is only getting 50fps? He should be getting way more  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 4:14pm

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lunitic_8 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2010 at 3:47pm:
Quote:
   
  •   Asus Motherboard, no idea which one, as cheap as I could find (€180)
       
  • Core i7, cheapest there is (€230)
       
  • 3 GB of memory, again as cheap as I could find it (€80)
       
  • ATI Radeon 4650 1GB (€50)
       
  • WD VelociRaptor disk (€140)
       
  • Sound/network onboard (€0)


Add a case with 650 watt power supply and you get it for under €800 (in the US this would be around $750). This is written on December 10, 2009 and it will drop about 2% in price every month after that. ............



He is only getting 50fps? He should be getting way more  Roll Eyes


...the greater the claimed FPS.... Smiley....

..the smaller the Wiener, Luni... Embarrassed...!

Paul....Guess the size.... Wink.... Grin.....!
 

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