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Should the Airline Industry Be Re-Regulated?
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Yes, it could do the industry a lot of good.
5 (27.8%)
No, it would mean a lot of turmoil
6 (33.3%)
I'm really unsure or havn't researched it enough
7 (38.9%)
Total votes: 18
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on: Dec 15
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Dec 15
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RitterKreuz
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October, 1978. Jimmy Carter signs the Airline Deregulation Act removing government regulation from the Airline Industry.
The intention of the act was to remove government controls on ticket prices, routes and various restrictions to upstart air carriers.
Overnight, the United States Airline Industry became arguably the most heavily regulated, "deregulated" industry in the world.
The question i pose to you:
Should the United States Government Repeal the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, thereby Re-Regulating the Airline Industry?
Virtually the only good thing to come from De-Regulation has been the drastic reduction in ticket price for the consumer as a result of increased competetion... but at what cost?
Since deregulation, aviation professionals have seen their salaries shrink to rock bottom, slashed time and time again.
The Industry has been flooded with small, regional upstart airlines which employee under qualified, inexperienced aviators which are payed a rate comparable to the national minimum wage for their services.
Meanwhile, management and other exectuives routinely see 6 and 7 fuigure salaries with 6 and 7 figure bonuses.
We have seen numerous safety violations and fleet groundings as recently as 2007-2008 with major carriers like American and Southwest who have failed to comply with important maintenance requirements critical to flight safety.
Congress has taken steps in the right direction with the house passage of the "Airline Safety and Pilot Training Improvement Act of 2009".
The act would regulate flight time minimums, licensing requirements and and experience requirements for newly hired pilots working on the airline level. Bumping the flight time minimums up to 1,500 hours as a starting point for hiring instead of a high point... and raising licensing requirements to an "Airline Transport Pilot Certificate" instead of the regular "Commercial Pilot Certificate" for any applicant to be considered for a position.
Many of the "airline pilots" newly hired into the large, coast to coast regional airline i once worked for had less than 400 hours total flight experience, and had only entered the aviation industry 18-24 months prior to their date of employment! One applicant even had just 260 total flight hours! 10 hours more than the FAA minimum to obtain a commercial pilot's license!
Should airline salaries be standardized and regulated by the government? If so, this would make the airline industry attractive again to more experienced pilots working in the private sector. It would drive managment and executive salaries and bonuses down to more reasonable figures.
Should Airline Hiring Minimums be standardized and regulated? No more "hundred hour wonder pilots" being hired by bridge programs from aviation universities... many of todays new hire pilots have never flown any aircraft larger than a Beechcraft Baron, many of todays new hires have never experienced severe turbulence or icing conditions... many of them lack the overall experience to be contributing cockpit crew members.
Should the Government regulate airline ticket prices? No more flexing rates or fares, no more hidden baggage fees... no more reason to chose one carrier over another due to anything other than customer service and safety record.
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Dec 15
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I have a lot of opinions on this topic, but I will keep most of them to myself.
One is about the pay scale for pilots. A lot of the low pay comes from the fact that there is a surplus of pilots versus jobs available, and there is always someone out there who will work cheaper than you. If that ever reverses, where there is a pilot shortage, and many job openings, you can expect the pay scale would have to increase to attract new pilots.
I don't think the minimum to get the CPL should be increased, as that is a stepping point to a CFI or other lowly type of paid job for many pilots. However I do believe (and thought it already true) that any Part 121 carrier should have ATP rated pilots.
The bad thing going back to the old way was the tremendous waste that existed. Every little airport (including where I work now) had airline service, no matter if there was any ridership whatsoever. That is why prices dropped, airlines were free to pick routes that were profitable and drop those that weren't. The airport I work at now once had 4+ airlines operating everything from DC-3 to 737 in the past. Now we are served by one carrier flying Saab 340. That is what the market will bear.
The rest of my comments, I choose for now to keep to myself.
Dave
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Dec 15
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DaveSims wrote
on Dec 15
th
, 2009 at 4:03pm:
I have a lot of opinions on this topic
As do i
DaveSims wrote
on Dec 15
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, 2009 at 4:03pm:
I don't think the minimum to get the CPL should be increased
The way i understand it, it is not being increased... the minimum time to be considered "qualified" for a part 121 job however IS being increased.
DaveSims wrote
on Dec 15
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, 2009 at 4:03pm:
as that is a stepping point to a CFI or other lowly type of paid job for many pilots.
Unfortunately this is half true. Many pilots who enter the airline world on a regional level directly out of school have spent less than 3 to 6 months working as instructors or other "low end" jobs. "during a hiring boom" many new hires are taken in Directly out of graduation with little more than 400-500 hours total experience.
DaveSims wrote
on Dec 15
th
, 2009 at 4:03pm:
However I do believe (and thought it already true) that any Part 121 carrier should have ATP rated pilots.
To gain employment at an airline you must hold at least a Commercial Pilot Certificate. Currently an ATP is
not
required... you must only get your ATP certificate before you can upgrade to captain... typically you can get your ATP through the company during your type ride as a captain upgrade.
DaveSims wrote
on Dec 15
th
, 2009 at 4:03pm:
The bad thing going back to the old way was the tremendous waste that existed. Every little airport (including where I work now) had airline service, no matter if there was any ridership whatsoever. That is why prices dropped, airlines were free to pick routes that were profitable and drop those that weren't. The airport I work at now once had 4+ airlines operating everything from DC-3 to 737 in the past. Now we are served by one carrier flying Saab 340. That is what the market will bear.
I can agree with this, however... if re-regulation of many aspects of flying were able to curtail the waste of 40 years ago... would you be more apt to support it?
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Well, that's makes three of us that don't really want to get into details about our opinions.
Suffice to say for me, that we have enough government in our lives and businesses as it is.
However...
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Dec 15
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BSW727 wrote
on Dec 15
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, 2009 at 7:13pm:
Suffice to say for me, that we have enough government in our lives and businesses as it is.
You're right about that.
but...
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I took the cowards way out and chose the 'unsure' option.
I get the impression from your post that you feel that aviation pay should increase and believe, perhaps correctly , that regulation would enable this to happen. I am not american but I don't see that pay is an area in which the government should meddle. Davysims has already mentioned that the supply of pilots exceeds demand and I'm sure that he is correct.
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We have seen numerous safety violations and fleet groundings as recently as 2007-2008 with major carriers like American and Southwest who have failed to comply with important maintenance requirements critical to flight safety.
What makes you believe that increased regulation would stop this happening? More punitive sanctions? Why do you feel that the "Airline Safety and Pilot Training Improvement Act of 2009" does not go far enough?
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