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Nov 23rd, 2009 at 3:56pm
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When/why is the fallow-me car used?
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:21pm

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Good afternoon "BoeingGuy"

I take it you mean  "Follow Me Car/Vehicle"


The origin of follow me cars dates back to the WWII era. USAAF and other foreign pilots were stationed in the U.K. to provide support for the allies. The RAF ground crews were growing increasingly frustrated with the the Americans, who, despite being instructed to taxi on the LEFT sides of the taxiways, were attempting to taxi on the far RIGHT sides of the taxiways. After hundreds of incidents involving damaged wingtips, ruptured tip tanks, and even detonated missles and rockets, the British decided to employ individual escorts to prevent further confusion. This method of taxiing assistance continues today, as the U.K. and much of Europe has yet to adopt the more sensible approach of driving/taxiing on the RIGHT side of the road or taxiway.

That is from an official web-site however the Folllow-Me-Vehicle can be used for a number of reasons on Canadian Airports.
-radio failure...to escort aircraft with radio failure off runway, across runways or off taxi-ways to a ramp for parking
-to escort non radio equipped vehicles and personnel on and off the airport runways and taxiways as well as on controlled ramps
-to escort civilian police or emergency vehicles anywhere on the controlled portion of an airfield or controlled/non controlled ramp
-to perform the assigned tasks by a Duty Watch Officer on a military airfield/station

I am sure there are a few more.   Wink

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Reply #2 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:29pm

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Flying Trucker wrote on Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:21pm:
This method of taxiing assistance continues today, as the U.K. and much of Europe has yet to adopt the more sensible approach of driving/taxiing on the RIGHT side of the road or taxiway.


Grin

My experience of follow me vehicles:

- Busier international airports for irregular users of the airport.

- Military airfields with large ramps, and/or obsured/limited taxyway markings.

- At the crew's request.

- Quite often the follow me vehicle will chirp up on frequency if he isn't busy and ask if you'd like their service.

Smiley

 
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Reply #3 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:35pm

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Hi "C"

I don't want to hijack "BoeingGuys" thread.   Smiley

However:

I have even heard that the Follow Me Vehicle was used to pick up tea/coffee & donuts for some of those overseas crews in the wee hours of the morning at the local Tim Hortons or equivalent.   Roll Eyes

Dang Dastardly Aircrews get all the breaks... Tongue    Roll Eyes    Grin

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Reply #4 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:37pm
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Thanks "Flying Trucker" for the history behind the follow-me-vehicles, and "C" for more reasons why they are used.
 
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Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 4:44pm

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I have also see them used at airports with multiple FBOs on the field to draw in customers before they go to the competitors ramp.  Wink
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:16pm

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Hi Folks... Smiley

Several types of vehicles operate on a regular basis on an airfield outside of emergency vehicles.

Flight Line or Crew Bus:
-used to move crews back and forth to aircraft if not on a gate
-will move passengers to aircraft from terminal or from terminal to aircraft if aircraft is not on a gate
-will most likely transport Customs Agents to aircraft if aircraft is not on a gate...Custom Agents normally do not have a vehicle on Military Airfields nor are they armed on Military Airfields
-a Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus will move Aircrew only to or off Military Airfields to or from civilian accommodations
-perform tasks assigned by Duty Watch Officer

Food Truck:
-moves food only, nothing else, no passengers or freight from kitchen to aircraft

Follow-Me-Vehicle:
-as mentioned above by "C" and myself

Outside of the Food Truck the Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus will assist each other during peak periods of Launch and Recovery...normally at that time their should be two Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus vehicles on duty

The Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus and Food Truck has frequencies to talk with the Duty Watch Officer and the Ground Controllers but depending on the Military Airfield/Station not to aircraft, they usually have to go throught the Ground Controller however there are exceptions and that would be up to the Base/Station Commander.
The Follow-Me-Vehicle usually has a full compliment of radios plus ICAO (correct me if that is the wrong term as it has been awhile) lighted electric signals visible to the following aircraft on the top rear of the vehicle.

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Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:32pm

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We've even got one at Popham now. Cool
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Reply #8 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:58pm

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Flying Trucker wrote on Nov 23rd, 2009 at 5:16pm:
Hi Folks... Smiley

Several types of vehicles operate on a regular basis on an airfield outside of emergency vehicles.

Flight Line or Crew Bus:
-used to move crews back and forth to aircraft if not on a gate
-will move passengers to aircraft from terminal or from terminal to aircraft if aircraft is not on a gate
-will most likely transport Customs Agents to aircraft if aircraft is not on a gate...Custom Agents normally do not have a vehicle on Military Airfields nor are they armed on Military Airfields
-a Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus will move Aircrew only to or off Military Airfields to or from civilian accommodations
-perform tasks assigned by Duty Watch Officer

Food Truck:
-moves food only, nothing else, no passengers or freight from kitchen to aircraft

Follow-Me-Vehicle:
-as mentioned above by "C" and myself

Outside of the Food Truck the Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus will assist each other during peak periods of Launch and Recovery...normally at that time their should be two Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus vehicles on duty

The Flight Line Bus/Crew Bus and Food Truck has frequencies to talk with the Duty Watch Officer and the Ground Controllers but depending on the Military Airfield/Station not to aircraft, they usually have to go throught the Ground Controller however there are exceptions and that would be up to the Base/Station Commander.
The Follow-Me-Vehicle usually has a full compliment of radios plus ICAO (correct me if that is the wrong term as it has been awhile) lighted electric signals visible to the following aircraft on the top rear of the vehicle.

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug


Not to mention all of the grass cutters, airport operations vehicles, airfield maintenance, snow plows, fire trucks etc.  Basically all the vehicles I drive at work.   Wink
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 8:11pm

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Good evening all.... Smiley

Thanks Dave that is a few I forgot about.

BoeingGuy here is something should give you a laugh.

Now you all know how us Captains think we are God's gift to the universe and all of aviation well this happened about thirty years ago when I was taking a DC4 from Toronto to Halifax and my co-pilot was flying the first leg, I was doing the radio work and the house keeping.

Called in for engine start then called ground to taxi.
Now I was a company check pilot and you can imagine when the Ground Controller cleared us to taxi and hold number two (2) behind a little Fordson Farm Tractor Grass Cutter.  The crew thought I would blow a gasket.   Roll Eyes  There we sat, any one of our engines were twice the size of his unit, I never said a word but we had time to bake a cake.   Grin
Yup Airline Captains and heavy aircraft were right at the top of the ladder just one rung below lawnmowers.   Grin

There now Dave are you not sorry about mentioning grass cutters and thank goodness there are no mechanics on or we would have to listen to them.    Grin LOL

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Reply #10 - Nov 23rd, 2009 at 9:43pm

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Well Doug, things had changed by the time arrived on the ATC scene.  The gates and ramp area belonged to the airport and they had a 'ramp captain' to run that show but the 'movement area' - taxiways and runways belonged to us.  At PANC, or anywhere else I worked, you'd never have had to hold behind anything other than the plane ahead of you.  Grasscutters were extremely low on the airport food chain  Smiley.
 

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Reply #11 - Nov 28th, 2009 at 4:55pm

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That is weird that they wanted planes to taxi on the one side of the taxi way in the UK.

But as I did that job in Kuwait Int. and I do it as my day to day job for the USAF, we use it for escorting aircraft to and from parking, from parking ramp to the runway during poor visibility, aircrews from other bases bringing back home station birds, guiding planes safely through areas that are under construction, escorting military equipment across the airfield to the FBO's when military aircraft req special equipment that the FBO does not have. 

But that is from the perspective of a Heavy military base that shares with an Int. Airport, 2 or 3 FBO's, a flight school, and Boeing's 787 factory.
 

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Reply #12 - Nov 28th, 2009 at 5:01pm

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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
That is weird that they wanted planes to taxi on the one side of the taxi way in the UK.

I'm not convinced that's true. Doug's little joke perhaps. Wink

Incidentally, I believe that the UK & Ireland are the only countries in Europe where vehicles are driven on the left.*

*PS. Forgot Cyprus.
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Reply #13 - Nov 28th, 2009 at 6:35pm

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just for fun heres the meaning of fallow (used as a verb):

"to plow, harrow, and break up (land) without seeding to destroy weeds and conserve soil moisture"

So a "fallow-me car" would be a tractor. Grin  For my sake, please to not fallow me, that could get messy Grin Grin Grin

Sorry for being off topic, I saw this and thought it was a GRE word for some reason Shocked Cheesy
 

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Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2009 at 9:57am

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Hagar wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 5:01pm:
OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Nov 28th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
That is weird that they wanted planes to taxi on the one side of the taxi way in the UK.

I'm not convinced that's true. Doug's little joke perhaps. Wink


Smiley On a serious note, taxying on the centerline is more uncomfortable for the passengers. A couple of feet either side! Smiley

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*PS. Forgot Cyprus.


Gives us a fighting chance of surviving the locals' driving!

 
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Reply #15 - Nov 30th, 2009 at 7:22pm

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Good evening all... Smiley

Hi folks...I took that information directly off the web about the origin of the "Follow Me Car", I did not make it up and to be honest I am not sure if it is accurate or not.  I just copied and pasted it from the site where I typed in "Follow Me Car".

The other information I would like to pass on is about "Progressive Taxi Instruction".  The taxi instructions are given to an aircraft (not sure about vehicles operating on an airfield as it has been a long time since I flew heavies) but taxi instructions can be given to an aircraft to or from the active as well as after landing by the Ground Controller. 
This is done to expedite the movement of aircraft, the instructions can be verbal or like here done by following imbedded center line green lights.

Now if you were to land at our private grass stip in my little kingdom and you asked where to park and how to get there I would simply say "look for the picnic table with the beer on it and how you get there and where you park is up to you good buddy."   Grin

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Flying Trucker wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 7:22pm:
"Progressive Taxi Instruction".
Once in a while the deja-vu thing kicks in.  If I remember correctly, the ground controller says "Piper six nine four eight kilo, taxi to runway six left via x.  Hold short of xxx at xx.  This way the controller makes certain that xxx has no conflicts and he clears the aircraft to continue across xxx to six left. Or something like that  Smiley.
 

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Flying Trucker wrote on Nov 30th, 2009 at 7:22pm:
Good evening all... Smiley

Hi folks...I took that information directly off the web about the origin of the "Follow Me Car", I did not make it up and to be honest I am not sure if it is accurate or not.  I just copied and pasted it from the site where I typed in "Follow Me Car".

Don't believe everything you read on the Web Doug. I found your explanation word for word on another forum. It's a dig at us Brits for driving on the left. Nothing to do with aircraft. Wink http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/896306/
 

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Reply #18 - Dec 1st, 2009 at 9:37am

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Good morning all... Smiley

Basically correct "olderndirt" and the Ground Controller will tell you if they want a "Read Back" on the "Hold Shorts" or the entire routing.
I can almost guarantee a "Read Back" on any "Hold Short".

Hi Doug, thanks as I actually took that as gospel because I have had several pilots tell me that overseas in several countries where the War on Terrorism is being fought they see the following.
So many army armoured vehicles and light skin vehicles damaged and waiting to be shipped back to whatever country they belong to for repairs. 
These damaged vehicles have filled the airfield compounds and are now lined up along the taxiways and yes some runways waiting to be cleared to return for repairs.

The airports wants them moved as soon as possible, however transporting these types of combat vehicles takes special aircraft and they are at a premium as far as availabiltiy goes.

That is why I thought that during the air attacks on airfields in England throughout the Second World War there was so much damage and ongoing damage that the side of taxiways would be used for the storage of maintenance or bomb hauling trailers etc.
Therefore aircraft would need to taxi closer to one side of the runway.

That is what made sense to me however I have no idea if that was true or not.   Smiley

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
P.S.  The next time I run into one of these old war time aviators who flew off your island I shall ask him.   Wink
 

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Flying Trucker wrote on Dec 1st, 2009 at 9:37am:
Basically correct "olderndirt" and the Ground Controller will tell you if they want a "Read Back" on the "Hold Shorts" or the entire routing.
I can almost guarantee a "Read Back" on any "Hold Short".
With so many runway incursions, readbacks have changed from 'good form' to mandatory.
 

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