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Oct 31st, 2009 at 2:42pm

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Lots of ponds, rivers, lakes and bays in this area.


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Reply #1 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 2:45pm

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Hi Doug. Please check your PMs. Rename those images with no spaces in the file names & upload them again.
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 3:19pm

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Thanks for all your help again Doug, don't know what I or we here at Simviation would do without you.   Smiley

Now what can I do to make my pictures better?

I am using Nick's settings for FSX and Vista.

Why did my "Tags" not show up?

Keep it simple as I am not an electronic gizmo genius.   Grin

Should I scroll in closer to the aircraft and the instrument panel when taking the picture?

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #3 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 3:37pm

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Kingston is such a scenic area, nice shots Doug! One thing I learned here is to push the p key (pause) for a few moments to make sure the graphics catch up. Hit the p key again to resume, then hit V. Simple, and sometimes it helps.   Smiley
 

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Reply #4 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 5:17pm

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These are nice shots, good composition.

Do you have any editing software, like Photoshop?

What do you use to convert these to jpeg?

The VC shot and the one below it appear to me to be a little over compressed, causing loss of crispness in the VC and banding in the sky in the shot below it.

If your software allows you any settings for jpeg compression, set it to give you as large a file size as you can to be under forum limits.

This will eliminate some of the compression artifacts.

Don't be afraid to experiment with cropping those shots of your plane that are taken from some distance.

This is known as the rule of thirds. Imagine dividing your shot into 3 equal parts up and across, like a tic-tac-toe game.

Then crop your shot so the item of interest, which might not be your plane, lies on one of the line intersections.

I typically try to sharpen my shots a tad, and add some contrast.

Just remember when editing shots, often less is more.

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Reply #5 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 8:42pm

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Good evening all... Smiley

Thanks Steve will remember that.

Doug also gave me some tips so wrote those down. ex. no spaces in file name

Thanks Joe for the input.
I have:
Windows Photo Gallery
BD Sizer...thanks to Matt "expat"
Paint which is in my "Accessories"
GrabClipSave

I am running Vista with FSX with lots of memory.  FSX is about the only thing this computer is used for and the only "GAME" on it.

2.60 gigahertz AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core
320.06 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
252.82 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
3328 Megabytes Installed Memory (4 x 1024 MB)
     that is what Vista recognizes I was told
Bus Clock: 200 megahertz
Board:MSI MS-7280 1.0
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX (Display Adapter)

Windows Experience Index Base Score of 5.2 (Processor) and everything else 5.9.

I would like to see better graphics if possible.

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 

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Reply #6 - Oct 31st, 2009 at 11:07pm

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hye,when i take a picture i always try to be as close as possible of my subject without cutting too much of the ambiance. if i do some cuttings to take away some ko, i push the subject off the centre, it makes a better composition.
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 5:26am

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Flying Trucker wrote on Oct 31st, 2009 at 8:42pm:
I have:
Windows Photo Gallery
BD Sizer...thanks to Matt "expat"
Paint which is in my "Accessories"
GrabClipSave

I am running Vista with FSX with lots of memory.  FSX is about the only thing this computer is used for and the only "GAME" on it.

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I would like to see better graphics if possible.

Hi Doug. A few comments. I'm no great shakes at screenshots but I've worked with images on the PC for many years. We all have our own favourite methods & programs & a lot depends on what you feel comfortable with using. All programs & utilities will be easier to use & give much better results if you spend a little time setting them up.

I've just tried BD-Sizer & it appears to work very well. Bear in mind that it's specifically designed to resize images for posting on the Internet. Apart from an automatic Sharpen feature there is no way of enhancing or cropping images.* For that you would need a proper graphics editor. Although I have more complex graphics editors like Paint Shop Pro & Photoshop Elements for other jobs I find something like IrfanView very handy for basic post-processing, including cropping, resizing & saving images for posting on this forum. I also use it as an image viewer so it's an excellent all-in-one piece of software.

Back to your shots. I notice they're all well within the forum limit of 150 KB each. You can set the BD-Sizer preferences to batch resize the images, automatically sharpen & save at a specific file size with a single click.

Your shots look a bit graphics intensive so 800 pixel width might be the best option but you can afford to set the Save Size to something just below 150 KB, let's say 148. This will limit the number of shots in each topic to four but the quality should be much better. You will need to experiment with the other options.

I think Laczos3 is the best Resize option but you might like to try the Smart Resize option.

I'm not sure that Sharpen feature is such a good idea & the default setting of 10% might be too much. Have a play with it or try disabling it altogether.

You can change the Copyright Text to read whatever you wish or simply disable it.

In the end it's all a matter of preference & what you find easiest. FSX has its own screengrab feature (V key) so it might be better to take the shots with that rather than use 3rd party utilities like GCS. You can then use BD-Sizer to process your selected shots ready for uploading here. I would rather do the post-processing manually, even with something like IrfanView.

Hope this is some help.

PS. I've just updated to the latest version of BD-Sizer. I see it now includes a Crop option.
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Reply #8 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 8:30am

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Hi,

It always depends on what effect you want to achieve with the shot. With regards to composition shots are often a bit more dynamic if lines/orientation are not strictly vertical and horizontal but a bit more diagonal. In addition pictures often appear more interesting if the object (aircraft) is not located right in the center of the shot, but a bit off (golden ratio). As an example, I have cropped and rotated your first shot a little (I hope you don't mind).
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/SundayDrive2_cropped.jpg
The quality decreases a bit with every step, when you edit a jpeg.

When you are in the vc view or the external aircraft view (e.g. wing view) you can also use the following combinations to move around the camera point. This way you can find some interesting angles to view the aircraft.
Shift + Backspace; Shift + Enter: up, down
Strg + Backspace; Strg + Enter: front, back
Strg + Shift + Backspace; Strg + Shift + Enter: left, right

With regards to the picture quality and file size: The more colours your shot has, the bigger the file size. Brought daylight autumn shots like these have a lot of colours and you have to reduce the total size (pixels) of the picture or compress the picture significantly to reduce the filesize below 150kb. This may easily lead to jagged edges - Your shots are really good (nice sharp edges). When you have evening shots with a smaller range of colours, you won't have to reduce the size so much and it will be easier to meet the file size limits.

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Reply #9 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 10:20am

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Okay thanks one and all for the advice and comments and I shall add them to my notes.

I never was interested in taking pictures at all but many folks including some from here at Simviation have me talked into purchasing a camera and taking pictures.

It will be a month or so as we will not invest in a camera until one of our children goes with us.  I know about as much about camera's as I do about these electronic gizmo's. Grin

Again many thanks for the assistance.   Smiley   Wink

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
 

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Reply #10 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 10:33am

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Not sure if anyone mentioned "Paint.Net".  Recommended to me by Bob70 and, for the money (FREE), an excellent program - sort of an economy version of Paintshop.
 

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Reply #11 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 10:51am

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olderndirt wrote on Nov 1st, 2009 at 10:33am:
Not sure if anyone mentioned "Paint.Net".  Recommended to me by Bob70 and, for the money (FREE), an excellent program - sort of an economy version of Paintshop.

This is indeed one of my favorite programs ! PAINT.NET is really cool.
 
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Reply #12 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 11:05am

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Thanks folks, will take a look.

I need something that will do it all in one program and is simple to use.   Smiley

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Flying Trucker wrote on Nov 1st, 2009 at 11:05am:
Thanks folks, will take a look.

I need something that will do it all in one program and is simple to use.   Smiley

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug

You can do it all in IrfanView. There is even a multiple screen capture option. That probably goes for Paint.NET & many other similar applications.

As I mentioned earlier, it's all a matter of preference & what you feel comfortable with. I could give you a long list of suitable programs but you would have to try them to see which one suits you. My advice is to find one you like & stick with it.

PS. Meanwhile, I'm having a lot of fun with BD-Sizer. Wink
 

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Reply #14 - Nov 2nd, 2009 at 5:43am

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Ok Flying Trucker, I finally have some time to give my advises for your screenshots, so here it comes Wink

1- In your first shot for example, the plane is not visible enough. I mean, it's ok if the plane is small to show mostly the scenery, but it that case, you should avoid to put the plane in the center of the picture. Use the additionnal views (like wing view etc... use the A key) to get a more interesting view angle that allows the plane to appear off-center. Then use the combo keys to move the camera, like CTRL+ENTER, CTRL+BACKSPACE, CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER, etc... Take your time, you'll need patience Smiley

2- sceneries with great colors are excellent choices, but be carefull at how you show them. In the first shots, the ground details on the lower part of the screen are not so nice looking. I think this is mostly due to the angle of view. Try to find a more interesting angle, not this 50% sky, 50% ground balance which is a little bit boring Wink

3- Set your weather carefully. I'd recommend you to install the famous HDE cloud textures (and NOT the sky textures included in the package, because they are not compatible). A good choice is usually to choose the "building storms" theme, or "cold fronts". Ensure the visibility is not to the maximum. Something like 50 kms visibility looks much more realistic, and adds a lot of depht impression.

4- Never, NEVER EVER use 2D panels in your screenshots. 2D panels are ugly things from the past Tongue Switch to the VC, move your eyepoint a little bit around the cockpit to set a more original view angle, it will definitely look cooler Wink

5- when making several screenshots from the same view, try to change the point of view. You have to make some variations to make them more interesting. Your tail view screenshot if very good, but the screenshots afterwards are a little bit boring because of the lack of variations (and the lack of plane/scenery details. PLaying with the angles of view usually help fighting against those flaws.

6- When showing your plane, you have two choice: either you show it with the sky in the background, either with the ground in the background. If you choose the ground, then the plane will be less visible, so you'll have to set your view closer to the aircraft, in order to produce a good contrast between the plane details and the ground details, so that the plane is visible enough.
If you choose the sky instead, then it's more easy, the plane will be visible anyway. Just make sure you're not too far way from it, else the details will not be visible at all. Adjust your camera distance with the key combo CTRL+ '+' and CTRL+ '-' (increase/decrease selection keys, just like for the zoom).


Ok let's say this is a start. I'll ty to provide you mode advises on your next shots. But first, read carefully what is written above, you need more trainning Wink
 
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