Simviation Forum - Accidental flyby

Sep 8^th, 2009 at 11:38am

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Reply #1 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 12:19pm

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Well... good job done by the pilot!

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Reply #2 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 12:47pm

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Mmm.

Sadly reading the comments in that article have left me even more mystified. Lips Sealed

Seems to have forgotten his supervisory duties from the left hand seat.

Apparently they were scouting round for a new co-pilot (or as it seems from reading this, an actual co-pilot used to operating aircraft on the ground at relatively high speed, as they don't seem to have bothered before) a month or two back.

Blimey, and chap on a horse, with a stetson and two revolvers has just walked past...

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Reply #3 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 1:21pm

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So that makes 2 victor flights in a relatively short time.......Victor to the sky anyone?

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Reply #4 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 1:25pm

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Souichiro wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 1:21pm:

So that makes 2 victor flights in a relatively short time.......Victor to the sky anyone?

Same event. It just take 4 months to get to the mainstream press.

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Reply #5 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 1:36pm

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C wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 1:25pm:

Souichiro wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 1:21pm:

So that makes 2 victor flights in a relatively short time.......Victor to the sky anyone?

Same event. It just take 4 months to get to the mainstream press.

Ah! thought it was weird Tongue

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Reply #6 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 5:09pm

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Kudos to the PIC; that was well-done (and the right decision!).

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Reply #7 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 5:13pm

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Nothing about that was well done. And as far as i'm concerned they've fed a load of horse poop to cover their own backs.

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Reply #8 - Sep 8^th, 2009 at 5:48pm

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beaky wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 5:09pm:

Kudos to the PIC; that was well-done (and the right decision!).

Although why the PIC allowed a situation to develop where an unairworthy (in some ways he was lucky that it administrationally was - not registered as an aeroplane = no CAA interest/prosecution) 50ton+ 40 year old aeroplane got airborne is another matter.

Perhaps forgot a bit basic airmanship, and then was irresponsible enough to take the aircraft to a speed where it was capable of flight (anecdotal evidence after the event indicated that the operators of the other taxyable Victor in the UK weren't particular fond of his methods).

Thank heavens it was a run "away" from the crowd, rather than a second back towards them.

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Reply #9 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:23am

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C wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 5:48pm:

beaky wrote on Sep 8^th, 2009 at 5:09pm:

Kudos to the PIC; that was well-done (and the right decision!).

Although why the PIC allowed a situation to develop where an unairworthy (in some ways he was lucky that it administrationally was - not registered as an aeroplane = no CAA interest/prosecution) 50ton+ 40 year old aeroplane got airborne is another matter.

I find it very hard to believe that the CAA have no interest in this. Fact is, as you put a 50 ton, 40 year old aircraft was "flown" without any authorisation regardless of how accidental it was. I think there is more to this than meets they eye and a lot discussions behind closed doors with interested parties who fly old timers and warbirds took place. The last thing they need is more recommended restrictions on an already heavily regulated corner of aviation. Saying it was not registered as an aeroplane is a very, very lame excuse. I have a black powder pistol and where I live it does not require a firearms licence. Just because it is not registered as a pistol, does not mean it is not a pistol.....A loose connection, but you get my drift?

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Reply #10 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:40am

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expat wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:23am:

I find it very hard to believe that the CAA have no interest in this.

I would have to agree with that. The CAA is not usually so sympathetic & if they are not responsible who is? For example; the current situation with the RNHF & TFC. I'm also surprised the Health & Safety people haven't got involved in this.

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Reply #11 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:44am

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Maybe we will see a new category of CAA approval.
One Victor aircraft cir 1960 -sh approved for runway dashes and bunny hops. Bunny hops only to be performed away from crown direction or parallel to the crowd line and no more than on bunny hop per runway dash Grin

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Reply #12 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:48am

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expat wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:44am:

Maybe we will see a new category of CAA approval.
One Victor aircraft cir 1960 -sh approved for runway dashes and bunny hops. Bunny hops only to be performed away from crown direction or parallel to the crowd line and no more than on bunny hop per runway dash Grin

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LOL. I was just thinking;* I can't fly a radio-controlled model aircraft above a certain weight without CAA approval.

*Must be careful. Too much thinking is not good for me. Cheesy

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Reply #13 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:01am

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Hagar wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:48am:

expat wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 3:44am:

Maybe we will see a new category of CAA approval.
One Victor aircraft cir 1960 -sh approved for runway dashes and bunny hops. Bunny hops only to be performed away from crown direction or parallel to the crowd line and no more than on bunny hop per runway dash Grin

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LOL. I was just thinking;* I can't fly a radio-controlled model aircraft above a certain weight without CAA approval.

*Must be careful. Too much thinking is not good for me. Cheesy

Maybe in the interest of "old time aviation" we should not ask too many questions. As for RC weight limits, if memory serves, it is 20 to 25 Kg/Lbs (can't remember which though).

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Reply #14 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:09am

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expat wrote on Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:01am:

Maybe in the interest of "old time aviation" we should not ask too many questions.

I would have to agree with that. Unfortunately it might be too late now the gutter press is involved.

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As for RC weight limits, if memory serves, it is 20 to 25 Kg/Lbs (can't remember which though).

I believe it's 20 Kg. I've never flown a model anywhere near that size. http://www.largemodelassociation.com/over20kgInspectors.htm

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Reply #15 - Sep 9^th, 2009 at 4:30am

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I suspect they've been given a fairly stern talking too (and a stongly worded letter to all "taxyers" in the UK) and a slap on the wrist. Little point prosecuting a 70 year old non-flyer and a ground engineer who was poorly advised into sitting in the right hand seat.

I'd like to see the "CAA report" referred to in the Mail and Express articles. Unless it was written by someone who's never operated a large aeroplane, or by someone who plays golf with the pilot, I cannot believe it blames or criticised the engineer.

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A Civil Aviation Authority investigation blamed the co-pilot, who was not named, saying he froze under pressure and forgot to hit the brakes.

Cannot believe a word of that. Toe brakes anyone - or had the pilot forgotten he had them?

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