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Jul 4th, 2009 at 11:38am

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What does it mean when people talk about a plane's Alpha, and usually fighter plane's one?
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 11:46am

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In real life Im not sure and ive never heard of it before, on the Flight sim forums the planes alpha is a channel in the textures that makes the plane reflective and the windows transparent
 
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Reply #2 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:30pm

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In reference to real flight; It could be referring to high "Angle of Attack" maneuvers. In planes that have a gauge to show your current AoA, it's usually marked by the "Alpha" symbol (It's a weird looking "a")

The Angle of Attack of an Aircraft, is when put simple, the difference between the direction the plane is flying in (Straight and level, for example), and the current pitch of the plane (Say... 45 degrees).

In that example, the plane is flying straight and level, with little change in altitude, but the plane itself is positioned in such a way where that it's pitched up quite a fair amount. The simple way to put it, is a 45 degree Angle of Attack.

Some of the newer planes (Su-37, Su-35, MiG-35, F-22A) can fly straight and level, with even higher AoA's, sometimes even vertical (For a short period of time).

If you've ever heard of and seen the Pugachev Cobra in action (Youtube it), a maneuver very commonly done by Russian fighter aircraft; You'll already have a perfect idea of what it looks like as far as visuals go.
 

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Reply #3 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm

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Alpha is the angle between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge. The cord line is an imaginary line the cuts through the profile of the wing from the leading edge to the trailing edge. There are also a whole bunch of others, but that would cloud the issue here.
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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm

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expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin

 

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Reply #5 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 2:33am

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beaky wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm:
expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin



But the question was about Alpha not AOA Grin

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Reply #6 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 3:19am

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expat wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 2:33am:
beaky wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm:
expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin



But the question was about Alpha not AOA Grin

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Right, but both are very closely related, are they not? And, personally, I read the question as asking as to what someone talking about "Alpha" in regards to a Fighter Aircraft meant. That generally means the Angle of Attack  Tongue
 

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Reply #7 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 3:32am

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Isak922 wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 3:19am:
expat wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 2:33am:
beaky wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm:
expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin



But the question was about Alpha not AOA Grin

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Right, but both are very closely related, are they not? And, personally, I read the question as asking as to what someone talking about "Alpha" in regards to a Fighter Aircraft meant. That generally means the Angle of Attack  Tongue


The question had already been answered and the above was a light hearted remark, it was in no way a serious reply.

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Reply #8 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 7:46am

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expat wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 2:33am:
beaky wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm:
expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin



But the question was about Alpha not AOA Grin

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My point is just that they refer to the same thing:  the angle between the chord line and the relative wind (as you clearly explained). 

"Alpha" is engineers' shorthand for AoA, that's all. Or you could say "AoA" is a ground instructor's term for "alpha". Grin

I believe what Isak described is known as a "high-alpha" maneuver.
 

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Reply #9 - Jul 5th, 2009 at 8:36am

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beaky wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 7:46am:
expat wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 2:33am:
beaky wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm:
expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin



But the question was about Alpha not AOA Grin

Matt

My point is just that they refer to the same thing:  the angle between the chord line and the relative wind (as you clearly explained).  

"Alpha" is engineers' shorthand for AoA, that's all. Or you could say "AoA" is a ground instructor's term for "alpha". Grin

I believe what Isak described is known as a "high-alpha" maneuver.


To be honest Sean, I work in AOA Grin All maintenance references on the 737-800 and the A320 are in AOA. Alpha is more military than civilian.
"There I was at 20 thou, nothing on the clock but a face full of Alpha", got a nice manly sound to it that "Alpha" Grin

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Reply #10 - Jul 6th, 2009 at 10:27pm

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expat wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 8:36am:
beaky wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 7:46am:
expat wrote on Jul 5th, 2009 at 2:33am:
beaky wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 3:07pm:
expat wrote on Jul 4th, 2009 at 2:50pm:
Alpha is the angel between the cord line of the wing and the airflow hitting the leading edge.


Also known as the angle of attack.  Grin




Matt

My point is just that they refer to the same thing:  the angle between the chord line and the relative wind (as you clearly explained).  

"Alpha" is engineers' shorthand for AoA, that's all. Or you could say "AoA" is a ground instructor's term for "alpha". Grin

I believe what Isak described is known as a "high-alpha" maneuver.


To be honest Sean, I work in AOA Grin All maintenance references on the 737-800 and the A320 are in AOA. Alpha is more military than civilian.
"There I was at 20 thou, nothing on the clock but a face full of Alpha", got a nice manly sound to it that "Alpha" Grin

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