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What happens now
Max buckles at last minute, FOTA get their way
3 (27.3%)
FOTA buckle and max gets his way
2 (18.2%)
FOTA call Max's bluff and leave
6 (54.5%)
We end up with no F1 at all next year.
0 (0.0%)
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76254
Once again the FIA further show their stupidity and how far up their own backsides they are.
I love quotes like this.
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The FIA and FOM have together spent decades building the FIA Formula One World Championship into the most watched motor sport competition in history.
In light of the success of the FIA's Championship, FOTA - made up of participants who come and go as it suits them – has set itself two clear objectives: to take over the regulation of Formula One from the FIA and to expropriate the commercial rights for itself. These are not objectives which the FIA can accept.
Firstly, I'm sure the teams had at least a little to do with it. You know, attracting the sponsors who lined the pockets of those in charge. Bringing two cars to each event 18 odd weekends a year while hauling that equiptment several thousand miles a month.
Oh and of course paying hundreds of millions a year to create the cars, the teams and the spectacle that we've enjoyed. I'm not sure how Max can take so much credit for what F1 is, yes he played his part, but numerous times, it was his and his lawyers stupidity that caused several events that almost caused F1 to collapse. Grey area's to the rules. Scandals. You name it he's been through it. surviving a vote of confidence, in which I believe not one major motor sport body voted for him, and it was onyl thanks to the tiny countries with no real motorsports voting for him that he kept his job.
Secondly. coming and going as they please? The number one name in the sport has had an unbroken run of over 60 years, that being Ferrari. The second team Mclaren has been around god only knows how long enjoying so much success its difficult to find better.
I hope Max enjoys trying to sell his racing series next year on the legacy of Williams, because thats the only team who will be there who falls into his dedicated, not coming and going as they please mentality.
I'm looking forward to next years FOTA series. Real cars, superstar drivers, and no max to get in the way.
Maybe some proper circuits as well.
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Jun 17
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I may have voted wrong.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=txf1budgetcap&prov=st&type=lgns
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I guess I forgot to include
"they both buckle"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76269
seems both sides are getting twitchy and nervous as we get to zero hour.
Stay strong FOTA, your own series and rules are but a few days away.
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sigh
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Whens the next race?
"If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing" -Ben Franklin&&&&"Man must rise above the Earth to the top of the atmosphere and beyond, for only thus will he fully understand the world in which he lives." - Socrates&&&&" Flying is a religion. A religion that asymilates all who get a taste of it." - Me&&&&"Make the most out of yourself, for that is all there is of you"- Ralf Waldo Emerson&&
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76292
And that is that.
As a side note, while I'm not getting too excited for the cars of next year (the manufacturers have stated they will design them based on the original F1 rules for 2010) I am hoping come 2011 we'll see the return of proper looking racing cars.
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Well, s***
"If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead and rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing" -Ben Franklin&&&&"Man must rise above the Earth to the top of the atmosphere and beyond, for only thus will he fully understand the world in which he lives." - Socrates&&&&" Flying is a religion. A religion that asymilates all who get a taste of it." - Me&&&&"Make the most out of yourself, for that is all there is of you"- Ralf Waldo Emerson&&
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Jun 19
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Looks like I voted correctly after all.
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute?
Can they really pull this off with just 8 teams?
How funny would it be, if this gets done right, and then Max & the FIA come asking to participate in it?
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Some time back, Whiplash Max said, "I am not a fascist", whilst being flogged by Nazi hookers. Well Max, you have certainly been strutting around like one for a while, my way or no way
. Bets on Max being asked (in private of course) to take early retirement after successfully dismantling F1.
I have been watching F1 since 1976, not sure I can be bothered with next year. The media will whip it up, but a field full of newbie teams being driven by a bunch of no name drivers......RIP F1.
Matt
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FIA takes legal action.....
Did not take long did it
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expat wrote
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I have been watching F1 since 1976,
Matt
You've been watching F1 for my entire life.
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ShaneG wrote
on Jun 19
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Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute?
Mmmm...
It'll all be sorted, but if Alonso happens to end up without a seat next year I won't mind. In one of his interviews he says he'd like to do Le Mans - yeah right, obviously no one's told him he'd have to share the drive and glory.
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ShaneG wrote
on Jun 19
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, 2009 at 11:49am:
expat wrote
on Jun 19
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, 2009 at 11:10am:
I have been watching F1 since 1976,
Matt
You've been watching F1 for my entire life.
It seems to happen a lot the older you get. I am on a course with 18 others at the moment..........I am the oldest......by more than several years, still a first time for everything
Matt
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C wrote
on Jun 19
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ShaneG wrote
on Jun 19
th
, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute?
Mmmm...
It'll all be sorted,
Ever the eternal optimist Charlie
Matt
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One quote I do like is this one from Wikipedia:
"The Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile, commonly referred to as the FIA, is a non-profit association established as the Association Internationale des Automobile Clubs Reconnus (AIACR) on June 20, 1904 to
represent the interests of motoring organisations and motor car users.
To the general public, the FIA is mostly known as the governing body for many motor racing events."
'Nuff said.
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expat wrote
on Jun 19
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C wrote
on Jun 19
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ShaneG wrote
on Jun 19
th
, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute?
Mmmm...
It'll all be sorted,
Ever the eternal optimist Charlie
Matt
They'll shout, bicker and finger point at each other for 6 months, then realise it'll be easier to just carry on. Too many commercial interests at stake.
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C wrote
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expat wrote
on Jun 19
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C wrote
on Jun 19
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, 2009 at 1:01pm:
ShaneG wrote
on Jun 19
th
, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute?
Mmmm...
It'll all be sorted,
Ever the eternal optimist Charlie
Matt
They'll shout, bicker and finger point at each other for 6 months, then realise it'll be easier to just carry on. Too many commercial interests at stake.
You are probably right. The interesting point though is the poisoned Dwarf. Bets on him doing the commercial rights side if the FOTO championship gets off the ground. "There is no conflict of interest, I am just representing two entirely different motor sport championships"
Matt
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News out of the FIA meeting today
Max Mosley will not stand for re-election, and the FOTA teams will remain in F1. The rules will be run under this years regs. The teams get more money from bernie in exchange for helping the smaller teams.
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Craig. wrote
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News out of the FIA meeting today
Max Mosley will not stand for re-election, and the FOTA teams will remain in F1. The rules will be run under this years regs. The teams get more money from bernie in exchange for helping the smaller teams.
What did I say...
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With Max gone and no budget cap I'm quite happy with the result.
Jean Todt likely replacement, so Ferrari looking good for next season.
I'm hoping they still stick to the no refueling idea though. KERS being banned is another one that does need to be included.
Full entrant list for next years FIA F1 championship to be released later.
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Well that's always good news...
...F1 is running next year and no Max!
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Craig. wrote
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With Max gone and no budget cap I'm quite happy with the result.
Jean Todt likely replacement, so Ferrari looking good for next season.
I'm hoping they still stick to the no refueling idea though. KERS being banned is another one that does need to be included.
Full entrant list for next years FIA F1 championship to be released later.
FOTA don't want Jean Todt either, so that could be the next sticking point
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I doubt it.
Di-montezemelo doesn't like him anyway. He's always been rather unhappy about the fact that it was Todt who brought the dream team together. It was Luca who went after Kimi specifically when JT wanted Schumi to stay. Same went for Brawn. He could have returned to Ferrari but Luca wanted Dominicali in charge, to try and show Todt that it was the team as a whole who made them so good.
In return what he got was, A driver who struggled to win the title in a car that was lightyears ahead of its nearest rivals for most the year. And who now seems to be happy toodling round in the midfield.
A team leader who couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery,
And a design team who when given the task of creating their first car (the F2007, F2008 were both based off the F2006 which was Byrnes and Brawns car) Couldn't design a car that could win a touring car race let alone an F1 race.
All in, it shows it was Todts team that made the differance, and it makes LDM look rather silly now.
I dont think he'll be fighting too hard for Todt as President.
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Jackie Stewart for pres.
(I can dream.
)
It would be nice, if they could pick someone a little more neutral.
But I understand the need for someone with intimate knowledge of the inner workings, right down to the uglies.
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If that lunatic is put in charge I will officially quit motorsport of all kinds forever.
F1 seems to dictate what the FIA is about and do. But people seem to forget they are also responsible for most other motorsports.
A new leader doesn't need to come from an F1 background.
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Craig. wrote
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If that lunatic is put in charge I will officially quit motorsport of all kinds forever.
But can you just imagine all the fun new drama that could bring.
only kidding of course.
But being that F1 is the premier Auto Sport in the world, they'll push real hard for the choice to come from their ranks I think. The whole 'the best produces the best' sort of thing.
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Max came from F1. Bernie came from F1.
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Well that was fun while it lasted....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76529
Good god will he never learn.
The plus side for the FOTA teams is, if the offer for him to step down was part of the deal. Then the FIA/Max have just broken the contract agreement and given the teams an easy way out.
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Just when you think it's going to get dull.
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Craig. wrote
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Well that was fun while it lasted....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76529
Good god will he never learn.
The plus side for the FOTA teams is, if the offer for him to step down was part of the deal. Then the FIA/Max have just broken the contract agreement and given the teams an easy way out.
Bummer, I was so much looking forward to his memoirs,
promiseing they will include some “explosive” stories from his life as one of Formula 1's main powerbrokers.
..........bet they don't include "Whiplash Max and the Nazi Hookers"
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