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Question: What happens now

Max buckles at last minute, FOTA get their way    
  3 (27.3%)
FOTA buckle and max gets his way    
  2 (18.2%)
FOTA call Max's bluff and leave    
  6 (54.5%)
We end up with no F1 at all next year.    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 11
« Created by: Craig. on: Jun 16th, 2009 at 9:26am »

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Jun 16th, 2009 at 9:26am

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76254

Once again the FIA further show their stupidity and how far up their own backsides they are.
I love quotes like this.
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The FIA and FOM have together spent decades building the FIA Formula One World Championship into the most watched motor sport competition in history.

In light of the success of the FIA's Championship, FOTA - made up of participants who come and go as it suits them – has set itself two clear objectives: to take over the regulation of Formula One from the FIA and to expropriate the commercial rights for itself. These are not objectives which the FIA can accept.



Firstly, I'm sure the teams had at least a little to do with it. You know, attracting the sponsors who lined the pockets of those in charge. Bringing two cars to each event 18 odd weekends a year while hauling that equiptment several thousand miles a month.
Oh and of course paying hundreds of millions a year to create the cars, the teams and the spectacle that we've enjoyed. I'm not sure how Max can take so much credit for what F1 is, yes he played his part, but numerous times, it was his and his lawyers stupidity that caused several events that almost caused F1 to collapse. Grey area's to the rules. Scandals. You name it he's been through it. surviving a vote of confidence, in which I believe not one major motor sport body voted for him, and it was onyl thanks to the tiny countries with no real motorsports voting for him that he kept his job.

Secondly. coming and going as they please? The number one name in the sport has had an unbroken run of over 60 years, that being Ferrari. The second team Mclaren has been around god only knows how long enjoying so much success its difficult to find better.
I hope Max enjoys trying to sell his racing series next year on the legacy of Williams, because thats the only team who will be there who falls into his dedicated, not coming and going as they please mentality.

I'm looking forward to next years FOTA series. Real cars, superstar drivers, and no max to get in the way.
Maybe some proper circuits as well.
 
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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 9:47am

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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:51pm

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I guess I forgot to include
"they both buckle"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76269

seems both sides are getting twitchy and nervous as we get to zero hour.
Stay strong FOTA, your own series and rules are but a few days away.
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:54pm

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sigh Undecided....



Whens the next race?
 

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Reply #4 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 7:03pm

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76292

And that is that.

As a side note, while I'm not getting too excited for the cars of next year (the manufacturers have stated they will design them based on the original F1 rules for 2010) I am hoping come 2011 we'll see the return of proper looking racing cars.
 
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Reply #5 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 4:13am

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Well, s***
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:22am

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Looks like I voted correctly after all. Cheesy Wink


Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute? Huh

Can they really pull this off with just 8 teams?

How funny would it be, if this gets done right, and then Max & the FIA come asking to participate in it? Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:10am

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Some time back, Whiplash Max said, "I am not a fascist", whilst being flogged by Nazi hookers. Well Max, you have certainly been strutting around like one for a while, my way or no way Roll Eyes. Bets on Max being asked (in private of course) to take early retirement after successfully dismantling F1.

I have been watching F1 since 1976, not sure I can be bothered with next year. The media will whip it up, but a field full of newbie teams being driven by a bunch of no name drivers......RIP F1.

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Edit. FIA takes legal action..... Did not take long did it Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #8 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:49am

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expat wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:10am:
I have been watching F1 since 1976,

Matt





You've been watching F1 for my entire life.  Shocked  Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 1:01pm

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ShaneG wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute? Huh


Mmmm...

It'll all be sorted, but if Alonso happens to end up without a seat next year I won't mind. In one of his interviews he says he'd like to do Le Mans - yeah right, obviously no one's told him he'd have to share the drive and glory. Grin
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 2:15pm

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ShaneG wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:49am:
expat wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 11:10am:
I have been watching F1 since 1976,

Matt





You've been watching F1 for my entire life.  Shocked  Grin



It seems to happen a lot the older you get. I am on a course with 18 others at the moment..........I am the oldest......by more than several years, still a first time for everything Grin

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Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 2:18pm

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C wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 1:01pm:
ShaneG wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute? Huh


Mmmm...

It'll all be sorted,


Ever the eternal optimist Charlie Grin

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Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 6:41pm

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One quote I do like is this one from Wikipedia:

"The Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile, commonly referred to as the FIA, is a non-profit association established as the Association Internationale des Automobile Clubs Reconnus (AIACR) on June 20, 1904 to represent the interests of motoring organisations and motor car users. To the general public, the FIA is mostly known as the governing body for many motor racing events."

'Nuff said.
 

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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:07am

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expat wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 2:18pm:
C wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 1:01pm:
ShaneG wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute? Huh


Mmmm...

It'll all be sorted,



Ever the eternal optimist Charlie Grin

Matt


They'll shout, bicker and finger point at each other for 6 months, then realise it'll be easier to just carry on. Too many commercial interests at stake.
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:54am

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C wrote on Jun 20th, 2009 at 3:07am:
expat wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 2:18pm:
C wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 1:01pm:
ShaneG wrote on Jun 19th, 2009 at 9:22am:
Now, how many follow suit, and how many chicken out at the last minute? Huh


Mmmm...

It'll all be sorted,



Ever the eternal optimist Charlie Grin

Matt


They'll shout, bicker and finger point at each other for 6 months, then realise it'll be easier to just carry on. Too many commercial interests at stake.


You are probably right. The interesting point though is the poisoned Dwarf. Bets on him doing the commercial rights side if the FOTO championship gets off the ground. "There is no conflict of interest, I am just representing two entirely different motor sport championships" Grin

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Reply #15 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 7:39am

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News out of the FIA meeting today

Max Mosley will not stand for re-election, and the FOTA teams will remain in F1. The rules will be run under this years regs. The teams get more money from bernie in exchange for helping the smaller teams. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #16 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 8:29am

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Craig. wrote on Jun 24th, 2009 at 7:39am:
News out of the FIA meeting today

Max Mosley will not stand for re-election, and the FOTA teams will remain in F1. The rules will be run under this years regs. The teams get more money from bernie in exchange for helping the smaller teams. Roll Eyes


What did I say... Grin
 
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Reply #17 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 9:10am

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With Max gone and no budget cap I'm quite happy with the result.
Jean Todt likely replacement, so Ferrari looking good for next season. Lips Sealed Grin
I'm hoping they still stick to the no refueling idea though. KERS being banned is another one that does need to be included.

Full entrant list for next years FIA F1 championship to be released later.
 
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Reply #18 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 5:29pm

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Well that's always good news...

...F1 is running next year and no Max! Grin
 

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Reply #19 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 3:40pm

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Craig. wrote on Jun 24th, 2009 at 9:10am:
With Max gone and no budget cap I'm quite happy with the result.
Jean Todt likely replacement, so Ferrari looking good for next season. Lips Sealed Grin
I'm hoping they still stick to the no refueling idea though. KERS being banned is another one that does need to be included.

Full entrant list for next years FIA F1 championship to be released later.



FOTA don't want Jean Todt either, so that could be the next sticking point Huh

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Reply #20 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 3:53pm

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I doubt it.
Di-montezemelo doesn't like him anyway. He's always been rather unhappy about the fact that it was Todt who brought the dream team together. It was Luca who went after Kimi specifically when JT wanted Schumi to stay. Same went for Brawn. He could have returned to Ferrari but Luca wanted Dominicali in charge, to try and show Todt that it was the team as a whole who made them so good.
In return what he got was, A driver who struggled to win the title in a car that was lightyears ahead of its nearest rivals for most the year. And who now seems to be happy toodling round in the midfield.
A team leader who couldn't organise a p*ss up in a brewery,
And a design team who when given the task of creating their first car (the F2007, F2008 were both based off the F2006 which was Byrnes and Brawns car) Couldn't design a car that could win a touring car race let alone an F1 race.
All in, it shows it was Todts team that made the differance, and it makes LDM look rather silly now.
I dont think he'll be fighting too hard for Todt as President.
 
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Reply #21 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:05pm

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Jackie Stewart for pres. Wink Grin (I can dream. Cheesy)


It would be nice, if they could pick someone a little more neutral.

But I understand the need for someone with intimate knowledge of the inner workings, right down to the uglies. Wink
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:22pm

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If that lunatic is put in charge I will officially quit motorsport of all kinds forever. Wink Cheesy

F1 seems to dictate what the FIA is about and do. But people seem to forget they are also responsible for most other motorsports.
A new leader doesn't need to come from an F1 background.
 
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Reply #23 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:30pm

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Craig. wrote on Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:22pm:
If that lunatic is put in charge I will officially quit motorsport of all kinds forever. Wink Cheesy




But can you just imagine all the fun new drama that could bring. Grin Grin Wink

only kidding of course. Smiley

But being that F1 is the premier Auto Sport in the world, they'll push real hard for the choice to come from their ranks I think.  The whole 'the best produces the best' sort of thing.
 
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Reply #24 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:32pm

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Max came from F1. Bernie came from F1. Wink Cheesy
 
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Reply #25 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:55pm

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Well that was fun while it lasted....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76529

Good god will he never learn.
The plus side for the FOTA teams is, if the offer for him to step down was part of the deal. Then the FIA/Max have just broken the contract agreement and given the teams an easy way out. Smiley
 
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Reply #26 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 5:13pm

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...

Just when you think it's going to get dull. Grin Wink
 
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Reply #27 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 1:06am

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Craig. wrote on Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:55pm:
Well that was fun while it lasted....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76529

Good god will he never learn.
The plus side for the FOTA teams is, if the offer for him to step down was part of the deal. Then the FIA/Max have just broken the contract agreement and given the teams an easy way out. Smiley



Bummer, I was so much looking forward to his memoirs,
promiseing they will include some “explosive” stories from his life as one of Formula 1's main powerbrokers...........bet they don't include "Whiplash Max and the Nazi Hookers" Grin Grin

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