Simviation Forum - Keep Fido on a lead!

Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:04am

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Reply #1 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:16am

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Honestly, I would have just run over the dog than possibly crash a 20 million dollar airplane.

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Reply #2 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:23am

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..looks like it trashed its right-hand Turbo-Prop engine...!

.....expensive manoeuvre...to avoid a Dog!

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Reply #3 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:39am

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Weird- it doesn't look like the dog was really in the way at all...?

At any rate, a pro should know that whether it's a deer, a dog, or your own Gramma on the runway... to protect the lives of those on board, you have to just keep going. Might damage the plane but you will more likely maintain control.

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Reply #4 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:47am

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beaky wrote on Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

Weird- it doesn't look like the dog was really in the way at all...?

At any rate, a pro should know that whether it's a deer, a dog, or your own Gramma on the runway... to protect the lives of those on board, you have to just keep going. Might damage the plane but you will more likely maintain control.

Well, I would stop if was my own Gramma, because in this case, no one was injured. Wink

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Reply #5 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:52am

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It might be expertise after the fact.. as in, I know people react in strange ways to the unexpected.. and the very same pilot might have handled it differently, on a different day... but I think it was just poor judgement. Not only that he/she didn't judge that the dog was/would-be well out of the way, but also in that ANY decision would have been better that locking the wheels up, and losing control.

I had a similar run-in with a coyote on a TAKEOFF roll.. it was well ahead of me.. I came within a whisker of aborting and decided that IF he returned to the runway, I could easily 'jump' into ground-effect and clear him.

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Reply #6 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 10:01pm

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specter177 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:47am:

beaky wrote on Jun 15^th, 2009 at 11:39am:

Weird- it doesn't look like the dog was really in the way at all...?

At any rate, a pro should know that whether it's a deer, a dog, or your own Gramma on the runway... to protect the lives of those on board, you have to just keep going. Might damage the plane but you will more likely maintain control.

Well, I would stop if was my own Gramma, because in this case, no one was injured. Wink

But when you start skidding off the runway, you don't know that... had they gone left, instead of right, and the left engine got trashed, that prop assembly would have "walked" into the fuselage, not away from it... Shocked

My personal rule is that if it's softer than the airplane, I'm not going to try very hard to avoid it if, even if it's a human being, if I have pax aboard. Maybe try to hop over it, but it depends.
But I haven't had to make that call yet, and as Brett points out, you never know what you'll do until it happens.
However, I read an interesting quote somewhere recently about such surprises, from a military pilot: "When the unexpected happens, you don't rise to the occasion... you simply default to your training." I can vouch for that- if you practice emergency drills, you will have made a decision and acted before you have much time to think about what to do.
So I wonder if these airline pilots get any recurrent training regarding "critter incursions"... I can't believe they'd be trained to stand on the brakes if they see a dog on the runway!!

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Reply #7 - Jun 15^th, 2009 at 10:17pm

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That's the funny thing.. and the reflex to training is so true.. you just "know" when you've got a good chunk of airspeed going, that the brakes are useless (they'll lock easily when the wings are taking weight off of them)... he/she had just touched down, so to the tires, that airplane was nearly weightless.

I remember (yeah, again..lol), my first aborted takeoff. THe RPMs just weren't where they should be, 1/2-way down the runway, so I just went into automatic mode and remembered the drill.. Keep flying the airplane.. applying just enough back-pressure so that you can feel the airspeed bleeding off.. and when the yoke won't lift the nose.. get on the brakes with the yoke on your chest (you'd be surprised how much drag that creates)..

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