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May 21st, 2009 at 12:59am

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Just picked up a set of Redline Ascent CL6 at the Egg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226061

Trying to get my BIOS settings right, having trouble so far.

Using XMP DDR1600 CL6 I can't get memtest stable past 5 passes.  During the 6th or 7th pass I start to get errors on test 4.  Disabled USB legacy support and that didn't work.  

Tried 1.350 and 1.375 vQPI and that didn't work.  Don't know if I should go higher.

CPU is clocked @ 4GHz (30 x 133) and passes as many as 10 Intel BurnTests @1.375 vCore using my corsair dominators so I don't think it's the CPU cores.

Will try 1.400 vQPI tonight but I'm running out of ideas.

Any suggestions?

-Jim
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Reply #1 - May 21st, 2009 at 8:59am

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Still can't get this to work.  Tried 1.4v QPI overnight and no joy.

Now I'm worried!  Is Memtest lying to me????  I passed 5 IntelBurnTest2.0 with this memory on these settings.

I couldn't run the Kingston HyperX DDR3 2000 CL8 and now I can't run this.

I hope these are false errors in memtest.  Otherwise, what the hell good is this 965 if I can't run the memory I want?

I'm ready to trade this slug in for a D0 920.

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Reply #2 - May 21st, 2009 at 11:31am

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I question 6-6-5-18   I really do

try 6-6-6-18 or 6-7-6-18 or 6-6-7-18

Have you run OCCT? It will stress memory and CPU

I assume this is the latest Memtest (2.11) from Memtest.org?

Its ALWAYS possible with new hardware benchmarks can be behind in support for it

At the same time I thought it real strange your board was not reading the Kingston sticks correctly and I now wonder if this is a bad board. I just set someone up over at AVSIM on Mushie redlines and hes purring along just fine but hes also on the V2 of the P6T


 
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Reply #3 - May 21st, 2009 at 3:28pm

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Yeah, memtest 2.11;

I'll try 6,6,6,18 but if that doesn't work I'm returning the sticks.   I've been drooling over these redlines for a while now, I hope they work out.

Haven't run the full hour of OCCT yet because I wasn't getting past memtest.  I usually memtest first and if it passes then I go onto the windows based stress tests like BurnTest and OCCT.  If it's OCCT 1hr stable and 10 or so passes of BurnTest, should I just not worry about memtest failing after 3 hours?

Also, I think the kingstons were garbage because most of the reviews since I got mine have been negative.  Those went back to Newegg no questions asked (love those guys).

Thanks Nick,

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Reply #4 - May 21st, 2009 at 4:11pm

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Run OCCT and see what it does ... and DO use the Mushkin forums and ask there.

I really do think they may be pushin the lilly a bit with that 5 but none the less if that is what you paid for they should do it. I would check with them and see if they are getting reports of MEMTEST issues.. it could just a MEMTEST glitch

Another one you can do in Windows which is really memory intensive is HYPERPI.. if it passes that on a 16 or 32MB test with all 4 cores I'll bet they are running just fine

 
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Reply #5 - May 21st, 2009 at 8:45pm

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Thanks for the advice Nick, I'll do that.

I'll also try HyperPI.

Cheers!
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Reply #6 - May 22nd, 2009 at 1:01am

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NickN wrote on May 21st, 2009 at 4:11pm:
Run OCCT and see what it does ... and DO use the Mushkin forums and ask there.

I really do think they may be pushin the lilly a bit with that 5 but none the less if that is what you paid for they should do it. I would check with them and see if they are getting reports of MEMTEST issues.. it could just a MEMTEST glitch

Another one you can do in Windows which is really memory intensive is HYPERPI.. if it passes that on a 16 or 32MB test with all 4 cores I'll bet they are running just fine



OCCT Passed the 1hr test

HyperPI v0.99 beta ran the 16M in 4m22s avg. with 1 sec or so difference among the cores and the 32M test in 9m34s avg. with 3 sec or so difference.

All this @4GHz, 6-6-5-18, 1N and 1.350 vQPI. 

So I'm stressing over nothing it looks like.  Thank Goodness! Cool

If there's any more I can do to test it out please let me know.

I'll register on the Mushkin forums and let them know about the memtest errors.  It could also be a BIOS issue that may get addressed in a future release.

-Jim




 

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Reply #7 - May 22nd, 2009 at 9:12am

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I think you are fine too and I would let them know

When you are at the top of the food chain with hardware one thing you must deal with others do not and that is software that may not be 100% working with the newer product. Sometimes you must make an asssessment on your own past what a test says

Never assume..

Although if you had seen errors in other test they would have backed up the MT result which would have validated it. With all other tests clean I think you are seeing a MT error itself


The last test is FSX itself.. its probably the best Windows based memory stress test on the market. If you dont get lockups in FSX I'm sure its fine


 
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Reply #8 - May 24th, 2009 at 11:54am

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This stuff doesn't work, it's garbage.  And I registered on Mushkin forums last week and still haven't received my activation email so I can't post.

And after memtesting now my board only recognizes 4GB!

Here's my latest BSOD:

Stop: 0x0000007e
(0xFFFFFFFFC0000005, 0xFFFFF800010FBF36, 0xFFFFFADF90E4EA50, 0x FFFFFADF90E4E460)


Put the Corsair Dominators back in and back to 6Gb.

These companies are full of crap!  They put out garbage that has a 50% chance of working and say they QC'd it...Bullcrap!

I'm sticking with Corsair from now on.

Sorry Nick, not lashing out at you.  I'm just pissed that I can't get any better than these Slowwwwwww Corsairs I've got!

I'm ready to sell my GD computer and give up FSX completely!

-Jim

 

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Reply #9 - May 24th, 2009 at 12:09pm

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I think there is a good possibility something is wrong with the board

The 'only sees 4GB' issue WAS in fact a P6T memory slot design problem. And it has been noted several different places.

http://linux.myalbemarle.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=500

and he is using Corsair... BSOD

So far I know 5 people running the Mushie Reds on P6Ts (not the 6-6-5 timing product, the 6-6-6) including myself and I dont have any problem with it

but I am not on a P6T either
 
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Reply #10 - May 24th, 2009 at 12:41pm

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motherboard bad:

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=75630



http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53723


http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18012514


its a common problem that seems to be coming up more and more


I really am starting to suspect your board has a problem

Bent pins in the CPU socket have also been reported as the cause and reseating the CPU has also been reported as fixing it too


 
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Reply #11 - May 24th, 2009 at 1:06pm

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I guess I'll try to RMA the board and see what happens.

Trouble is for me this put's me in the hanger for God knows how long and I don't think I can handle that.  I may have to go buy another board just to get me by.  Test that and see what happens.

I know if and when this all gets fixed I'll be right as rain but right now I'm feeling like (and you have to be a BSG fan) Admiral Adama after Starbuck died when he raged and busted up his model ship.  Haven't busted up anything but I sure want to!

You wouldn't happen to be on the Classified, would you?

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Reply #12 - May 24th, 2009 at 1:22pm

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BSG was before my time in the industry as a scientific advisor.. it was out of production before I started offering services

As for your problem.. try RMA the memory first however what you have been reporting in the past and now this just rings like board to me. MEMTEST is not going to cause your memory to start reporting 4GB.. I assume it reported 4 in the BIOS and 6 in CPUz in Windows?.. thats the issue everyone seems to be seeing with bad boards.

 
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Reply #13 - May 24th, 2009 at 2:25pm

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NickN wrote on May 24th, 2009 at 1:22pm:
BSG was before my time in the industry as a scientific advisor.. it was out of production before I started offering services

As for your problem.. try RMA the memory first however what you have been reporting in the past and now this just rings like board to me. MEMTEST is not going to cause your memory to start reporting 4GB.. I assume it reported 4 in the BIOS and 6 in CPUz in Windows?.. thats the issue everyone seems to be seeing with bad boards.



No Nick, the NEW BSG  Tongue.  I thought since you were into the likes of Star Trek you watched that too.  Circa 2004 on the scifi channel, completely different!  Ohhh one of the best series ever made.

I never went back and and looked at cpuz after I got the 4Gb, I just put the dominators back in, clocked it back up and everything runs fine.  I'm going to memtest the Corsairs overnight just to be sure but these sticks have worked perfectly since I got them almost 6 months ago.

By the way, I tested the memory last night unclocked, 3.2GHz and XMP profiles only.  When I woke up it was just dumping errors by the millions.  Before when I memtested it would run and when the errors showed up, even by the millions, they would stop being generated depending on which test it was on.  This time they just gushed forth and it got stuck on that test.

Like something was working better before a couple days ago and after testing for a while it just started barfing.  I know memtest can't hurt anything, it only brings out weaknesses.

-Jim

 

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Reply #14 - May 24th, 2009 at 4:04pm

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raptorx wrote on May 24th, 2009 at 2:25pm:
NickN wrote on May 24th, 2009 at 1:22pm:
BSG was before my time in the industry as a scientific advisor.. it was out of production before I started offering services

As for your problem.. try RMA the memory first however what you have been reporting in the past and now this just rings like board to me. MEMTEST is not going to cause your memory to start reporting 4GB.. I assume it reported 4 in the BIOS and 6 in CPUz in Windows?.. thats the issue everyone seems to be seeing with bad boards.



No Nick, the NEW BSG  Tongue.  I thought since you were into the likes of Star Trek you watched that too.  Circa 2004 on the scifi channel, completely different!  Ohhh one of the best series ever made.

I never went back and and looked at cpuz after I got the 4Gb, I just put the dominators back in, clocked it back up and everything runs fine.  I'm going to memtest the Corsairs overnight just to be sure but these sticks have worked perfectly since I got them almost 6 months ago.

By the way, I tested the memory last night unclocked, 3.2GHz and XMP profiles only.  When I woke up it was just dumping errors by the millions.  Before when I memtested it would run and when the errors showed up, even by the millions, they would stop being generated depending on which test it was on.  This time they just gushed forth and it got stuck on that test.

Like something was working better before a couple days ago and after testing for a while it just started barfing.  I know memtest can't hurt anything, it only brings out weaknesses.

-Jim



why are you running XMP profiles?

set it up manually
 
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Reply #15 - May 24th, 2009 at 6:25pm

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OK.  Manually it is.

I just picked up a Rampage II Gene from Fry's and I'm gonna try it out with the Mushkins.  I know it's a mATX but I have hope for it, if I like it I'll keep it.

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Reply #16 - May 24th, 2009 at 10:12pm

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your gettin too big fer yer britches!

thats not kid stuff your playin with now!

LOL

and yes damnit..
MANUAL!
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Reply #17 - Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:26am

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Update 6/2/09:

It was the sticks...bad chips.  RMA same thing, many tears.  Mushkin discovered they got a bad batch in and they're on top of it.  They tested a new set, different batch.  Sent them to me and they work PERFECTLY!  These guys busted their butts to get me a good set of sticks as quickly as they could.  Absolutely first rate customer service and I can't thank them enough.   Smiley

And these sticks scream.

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Reply #18 - Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:30am

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I usually give new product some weeks to stabilize. I have also been lucky too with respect to defects. I have had my share over the years but I dont see defects all the time

and yep.. LOW LATENCY is the key to any Intel system.. older or new

The mushkin boys will always treat you right.. just have some patience. Especially when messin with new product

and you should always run them manually.. the profiles can present issues such as not showing all the memory available, etc
 
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Reply #19 - Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:50am

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NickN wrote on Jun 2nd, 2009 at 11:30am:
I usually give new product some weeks to stabilize. I have also been lucky too with respect to defects. I have had my share over the years but I dont see defects all the time

and yep.. LOW LATENCY is the key to any Intel system.. older or new

The mushkin boys will always treat you right.. just have some patience. Especially when messin with new product

and you should always run them manually.. the profiles can present issues such as not showing all the memory available, etc


Thanks Nick.  I have them set manually to 1600, 6.6.5.18, 1N.  Other timings on Auto.

vDIMM 1.65; vQPI 1.356 (the board overvolts that to 1.37-1.40 so I might have to go lower).  I set vCore manually too.

All other tweaks on Auto.

This little board is FAST.  It's lean and mean! 

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