Simviation Forum - Can anyone help me find this aircraft?

May 15^th, 2009 at 6:32pm

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Just for fun, I was going through my dad's old log books tracking down the aircraft he used to own when he flew charter flights. I managed to find his Cessna 172's, both Cessna 421's, but I can't find his old Cessna 310. Its call sign is, according to his logs, N98938. I've searched the FAA's website, and it is listed as not registered. After getting those results, I headed to the NTSB website looking for incident reports but I still got nothing. Would anyone know where to go next? Any help is appreciated. Thank you all.

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Reply #1 - May 16^th, 2009 at 8:03pm

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I have searched high and low, and haven't found any reference to any aircraft with that tail number. How long ago was it you dad flew that aircraft. Its possible the aircraft has either had a registration change or been abandoned. I did not find it on any registry or in any of the accident databases I know of.

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Reply #2 - May 16^th, 2009 at 8:22pm

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I found a 172RG that is N9893B, but that's it.

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Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2009 at 2:05am

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DaveSims wrote on May 16^th, 2009 at 8:03pm:

I have searched high and low, and haven't found any reference to any aircraft with that tail number. How long ago was it you dad flew that aircraft. Its possible the aircraft has either had a registration change or been abandoned. I did not find it on any registry or in any of the accident databases I know of.

Well, the last time he it flew was over 15 years ago, but the fact that the C310 was in perfect condition, and considering his other older aircraft were sold to total idiots and they're just fine, its unlikely that it was changed or abandoned. Also, even it it was, Cessna would have a factory record of it, but even they say they don't.

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Reply #4 - May 17^th, 2009 at 9:25am

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Registration change can happen for a variety of reasons, usually because someone buys it and wants their own personal tail number, a number that means something to them. It may have also been sold overseas. Or possibly the number in the logbook is off by one, but I tried about every combination I could think of using those numbers, and also substituting B for the last 8 just in case.

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Reply #5 - May 17^th, 2009 at 9:34am

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You can search through this page...this is all of the Cessna 310s registered in the US currently. I never realized how many there were.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=310&mfrtxt=cessn...

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Reply #6 - May 17^th, 2009 at 8:44pm

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DaveSims wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 9:34am:

You can search through this page...this is all of the Cessna 310s registered in the US currently. I never realized how many there were.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=310&mfrtxt=cessn...

Already did, and it isn't there. Now, my question is, how could its registration have changed? Unless it left the country?

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Reply #7 - May 18^th, 2009 at 5:19am

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Don't suppose you know the actual make of 310 K,L,Q,R,B etc....

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Reply #8 - May 18^th, 2009 at 7:21am

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Saddle Horse wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 8:44pm:

DaveSims wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 9:34am:

You can search through this page...this is all of the Cessna 310s registered in the US currently. I never realized how many there were.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=310&mfrtxt=cessn...

Already did, and it isn't there. Now, my question is, how could its registration have changed? Unless it left the country?

All you have to do is file some paperwork to register the new number, then paint or decal the new number on the aircraft. Happens quite often, and is probably what happened. The Cheyenne on our airport was N121EH when it was first purchased, but the owner changed it to 120SK to reflect his initials.

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Reply #9 - May 18^th, 2009 at 7:52am

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DaveSims wrote on May 18^th, 2009 at 7:21am:

Saddle Horse wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 8:44pm:

DaveSims wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 9:34am:

You can search through this page...this is all of the Cessna 310s registered in the US currently. I never realized how many there were.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=310&mfrtxt=cessn...

Already did, and it isn't there. Now, my question is, how could its registration have changed? Unless it left the country?

All you have to do is file some paperwork to register the new number, then paint or decal the new number on the aircraft. Happens quite often, and is probably what happened. The Cheyenne on our airport was N121EH when it was first purchased, but the owner changed it to 120SK to reflect his initials.

That's where the FAA system differs from the CAA. Once a CAA registration has been assigned it cannot be re-issued even if it's subsequently changed to another one. In a case like your example the CAA records will still show the original registration letters. It will also list previous registration letters for imported aircraft in the country of origin. This makes it much easier to track down in situations like this.

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Reply #10 - May 18^th, 2009 at 3:55pm

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Hagar wrote on May 18^th, 2009 at 7:52am:

DaveSims wrote on May 18^th, 2009 at 7:21am:

Saddle Horse wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 8:44pm:

DaveSims wrote on May 17^th, 2009 at 9:34am:

You can search through this page...this is all of the Cessna 310s registered in the US currently. I never realized how many there were.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/acftinqSQL.asp?striptxt=310&mfrtxt=cessn...

Already did, and it isn't there. Now, my question is, how could its registration have changed? Unless it left the country?

All you have to do is file some paperwork to register the new number, then paint or decal the new number on the aircraft. Happens quite often, and is probably what happened. The Cheyenne on our airport was N121EH when it was first purchased, but the owner changed it to 120SK to reflect his initials.

That's where the FAA system differs from the CAA. Once a CAA registration has been assigned it cannot be re-issued even if it's subsequently changed to another one. In a case like your example the CAA records will still show the original registration letters. It will also list previous registration letters for imported aircraft in the country of origin. This makes it much easier to track down in situations like this.

I wish we had that system. You know, even if the registration changed, wouldn't there be a record of it somewhere?

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Reply #11 - May 18^th, 2009 at 4:33pm

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Saddle Horse wrote on May 18^th, 2009 at 3:55pm:

I wish we had that system. You know, even if the registration changed, wouldn't there be a record of it somewhere?

I'm not sure how the FAA records work. Your reg is not listed on their registration database for whatever reason so the record might have been destroyed. There's a slim chance it might show up on an aircraft spotting site or photo database like Anet - or if it was offered for sale on the Internet at some time. I found these details of davysims examples.

Original reg N121EH
New reg N120SK

You can confirm they're the same aircraft by the construction number 31T-8166039. It seems rather odd that the manufacturer has no record of your father's aircraft.

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Reply #12 - Sep 11^th, 2009 at 11:00pm

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I think it might be in pieces at the Centennial Airport in Denver. Think it got overturned during a crosswind landing at Meadow Lake airport in Falcon. Looked pretty bad. Right wing was bent, tail was crushed...totaled.

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Reply #13 - Nov 27^th, 2009 at 12:56pm

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Don't know if this will help, but this might be it:
http://af-za.facebook.com/group.php?gid=55826609777

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