Simviation Forum - got some new parts for my comp and need your input

May 10^th, 2009 at 3:40am

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so i got a new graphics card= http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129117

and a 500 watt power supply along with an additional (2) 1 GIG memory cards.

will this make my gameplay good? Undecided

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Reply #1 - May 10^th, 2009 at 3:44am

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ohh yeah i forgot to tell u guys that i have 2 gigs right now and i just bought 2 more so a totall of 4 gigs, and my procceesor is a intel pentium dual core E2200 @ 2.20 ghz.

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Reply #2 - May 10^th, 2009 at 7:37am

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What did you have before?

The card is Okay, it wont run crysis on full, or most new games. But you get what you pay for with this line Wink

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Reply #3 - May 10^th, 2009 at 3:17pm

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like i stated above i had 2 gigs of ram and that processor. i had a integrated graphics card, that caused terrible game play and it didn't support dx 10 so i could play acceleration. also i have a 22" viewsonic so that's why i went with the 1 gig cuz some guys said it would be better to have the 1 gig for that size screen.

with the vid card i have a ram should i be able to run the game at the highest quality?

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Reply #4 - May 10^th, 2009 at 3:54pm

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Are you running a 64-bit operating system? If not, you are only going to be able to use about 2.75GB of that 4GB memory you have. The limit recognised by 32-bit operating systems is about 3.75GB. Graphics card memory (I'd say you have a bit of an excessive amount of memory for the graphics card - Could've gotten less memory for a better card at the same price) is taken away from this.

3.75-1 = 2.75GB system memory. So unless you have a 64-bit operating system, one RAM module will be sat doing nothing.

Which game are we talking about when you ask if it can be run at highest quality? I'd say no for things such as FSX, Crysis and all that. You have fairly average parts.... Nothing extremely good. You could expect to play FSX on mid-high settings I would've said.

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Reply #5 - May 10^th, 2009 at 6:34pm

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wait so why do they sell 32 bit os comp with 4 gigs of ram? if u cant use all of it

and yes its fsx gold

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Reply #6 - May 10^th, 2009 at 6:37pm

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You can use 4GBs in x86 systems, there is a lot of info about it here and all over the web but you can in no way use more and you have to do a lot of work/tricks to get your system to see all of it and use it. Get ready for a lot blue screens in your future while you get it going if you are going to use 4 sticks though.

Most DDR2 motherboards really don't like to run 4 sticks of ram. I'm using four sticks right now in a striker extreme and it took a lot of trial and error to get them all to run smoothly. I've dealt with more restarts and boots into bios with only 3 sticks in for troubleshooting than I care to think about or admit! I had to underclock it really push the voltages so I lose bandwidth but can load more stuff into the ram and use the HDDs less: better but not as good as 2x2GB.

I do notice a benefit of the extra memory but as soon as I can, I'm taking it all out and putting in two 2GB sticks instead and using at least two of them (if not all 4, we'll see) in a small media center machine I am building for the living room.

You can get 2x2GB sticks for cheaper than you paid for the original 2x1GB sticks you are using now....

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Reply #7 - May 10^th, 2009 at 6:59pm

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Faceman wrote on May 10^th, 2009 at 6:37pm:

You can use 4GBs in x86 systems, there is a lot of info about it here and all over the web but you can in no way use more and you have to do a lot of work/tricks to get your system to see all of it and use it. Get ready for a lot blue screens in your future while you get it going if you are going to use 4 sticks though.

Most DDR2 motherboards really don't like to run 4 sticks of ram. I'm using four sticks right now in a striker extreme and it took a lot of trial and error to get them all to run smoothly. I've dealt with more restarts and boots into bios with only 3 sticks in for troubleshooting than I care to think about or admit! I had to underclock it really push the voltages so I lose bandwidth but can load more stuff into the ram and use the HDDs less: better but not as good as 2x2GB.

I do notice a benefit of the extra memory but as soon as I can, I'm taking it all out and putting in two 2GB sticks instead and using at least two of them (if not all 4, we'll see) in a small media center machine I am building for the living room.

You can get 2x2GB sticks for cheaper than you paid for the original 2x1GB sticks you are using now....

im so confused my os is 32 bit and my mother bord has room for 4 cards of ram. right now i have 2) 1 gig cards stock. and i bought 2 more 1 gig cards to put in the other 2 slots. will that work?

i have a dell inspiron 530 and you can buy them with 4 gigs of ram from dell so i dotn see what the problem is?

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Reply #8 - May 10^th, 2009 at 9:18pm

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It will work, but will most likely be a pain in your ass. Don't be surprised if it doesn't post the first time you fire it up after you put all four sticks in. You will be well served to do research on your specific motherboard and the timings, voltages, and clock speed that other people have used to get four sticks to work.

You may as well run some bench marks while you are at it before and after to see just what gains/losses you are making. I ran a lot benchmark tests when I was working on mine because there is no guarantee that you will benefit from the addition.

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Reply #9 - May 11^th, 2009 at 2:22am

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This myth that Windows x32 does not use 4GB is just that.. a myth

The OS does in fact address up to a max of 4GB regardless of what the Task Manager readout displays - part of that is an error in how Windows x32 works

The internet is full of horse manure

The primary issue is not the OS but the program in use. It must be LARGE ADDRESS AWARE or >2GB aware

The 2nd issue is the address space problem created by software that wants more the 2GB and the size of the PCIe video memory which must be mapped or addressed with the OS. Physical memory and Virtual Address Space are 2 different things and what causes out of memory errors has NOTHING to do with >2GB in Windows x32.. OOM means OUT OF address space mapped MEMORY

It is advisable to use a 64bit OS with a >2GB aware program such as FSX-SP2 simply because of todays video cards and how much they impact the default address space and squeeze the OS

I explain the entire process for working out OOM issue with Vista/XP 32 in the FSX tuning threads. Those who do not see OOM issues do not need to mess with any of that and if they are on FSX SP2 (SP1 is not >2GB aware) and using 4GB they will

Motherboard companies place the 4GB warning in their manuals in order to circumvent the flood of support contacts they got at one time about the memory use counter not showing their memory in use. What they put in those manuals is very misleading

I do agree anyone using the better video cards are FAR better off on a 64bit OS even if they only use 2GB! The user will avoid more headaches (that may or may not show up) that way. But I really wish people would learn how memory works with 32bit OS's and stop posting the myths as it would make my job a lot easier

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Reply #10 - May 11^th, 2009 at 2:26am

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NickN wrote on May 11^th, 2009 at 2:22am:

This myth that Windows x32 does not use 4GB is just that.. a myth

The OS does in fact address up to a max of 4GB regardless of what the Task Manager readout displays - part of that is an error in how Windows x32 works

The internet is full of horse manure

The primary issue is not the OS but the program in use. It must be LARGE ADDRESS AWARE or >2GB aware

The 2nd issue is the address space problem created by software that wants more the 2GB and the size of the PCIe video memory which must be mapped or addressed with the OS. Physical memory and Virtual Address Space are 2 different things and what causes out of memory errors has NOTHING to do with >2GB in Windows x32.. OOM means OUT OF address space mapped MEMORY

It is advisable to use a 64bit OS with a >2GB aware program such as FSX-SP2 simply because of todays video cards and how much they impact the default address space and squeeze the OS

I explain the entire process for working out OOM issue with Vista/XP 32 in the FSX tuning threads. Those who do not see OOM issues do not need to mess with any of that and if they are on FSX SP2 (SP1 is not >2GB aware) and using 4GB they will

Motherboard companies place the 4GB warning in their manuals in order to circomvent the flood of support contacts they got at one time about the memory use counter not showing their memory in use. What they put in those manuals is very misleading

I do agree anyone using the better video cards are FAR better off on a 64bit OS even if they only use 2GB! The user will avoid more headaches (that may or may not show up) that way. But I really wish people would learn how memory works with 32bit OS's and stop posting the myths as it would make my job a lot eaiser

Grin

WOW very helpful thanks alot.

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Reply #11 - May 11^th, 2009 at 3:30am

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Just be aware.. its always best to replace/add memory with matched sticks only

so if you intend to run 4GB its best to purchase matched 2x2GB of the lowest timing memory you can get than trying to run more than 2 sticks and especially if those sticks are mismatched and different timng

Motherboards typically slow the memory down when you add more than 2 sticks through raising their timing so its always best to only use 2

i7 changes that

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Reply #12 - May 11^th, 2009 at 10:32am

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all right well i guess all just wait and see what i can figure out when i get all my stuff today. all let u guys know

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Reply #13 - May 11^th, 2009 at 5:42pm

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quick question. will fs 04 downloaded planes work in fsx?

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Reply #14 - May 12^th, 2009 at 10:18am

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some do and some dont.. if FSX SP2 is used even more limits to that are seen

There are fixes for some aircraft.. and many of them have been relisted in the library with conversions built into them for FSX

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