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Apr 21st, 2009 at 12:09am

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Hello all.

I was wondering if anyone knows how a low time pilot such as myself can build hours. I hope to  finish my commercial this summer, which will leave me with my private, instrument, and commercial and around 200 hours. I may get my mult engine as well.  Any ideas particulaly in northern midwest U.S. specificly northern Iowa, southern Minnesota, or South Dakota.

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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 12:21am

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As far as I know, without the commercial, you're somewhat limited as to what you can do to build time if you don't want to pay for it.  I wish I had a better answer... Grin
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 4:17am

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To clarify, I wouldnt try to get a job till i have the commercial.
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 8:02am

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I'm too lazy to dig through the FAR/AIM.. but I seem to remember, when getting my commercial.. you needed 250 hours as PIC BEFORE you could get it  Huh

The best way for a young pilot to build time, is to take friends flying.. get them to split the airplane costs  Smiley



Edit:  It's 250 hours TOTAL time, if you go Part-61 ... 190 hours total time if Part-141

(you must be doing it Part-141)
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 3:55pm

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ryan2005 wrote on Apr 21st, 2009 at 4:17am:
To clarify, I wouldnt try to get a job till i have the commercial.

If you're waiting to build hours until after you have the commercial, then flying skydivers is a great way to build time.  I know a number of high-time pilots that did that to build their hours.  That and flight instructing seem to be a common route to go.

 

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Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 8:06pm

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Other than instruction, skydiving or banner-tow ops are tried-and-true methods. The banner-tow guys I know rack up a lot of time in a given day (because they are going very slowly). Somewhat dangerous, but it'll build hours. There's also patrol flights- pipe and power-line patrol, traffic patrol (they don't always use helicopters for that).

You might also consider branching out into gliding- most clubs offer a deal that leaves you with a low hourly rate, even after dues, etc. Getting the glider comm. and CFI is usually cheaper and quicker, as well (those two ratings will get you flying more often). That time counts, even if it's not a "real" airplane.
 

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Reply #6 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 10:43pm

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A major drawback to getting any fly for hire jobs, with less than a certain number of hours, is insurance.  Usually any company with insured aircraft has a clause in their policy designating a minimum pilot hours requirement.
 

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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:10am

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The way we did it in flight school was to hook up with another "time-builder", and do the flights with one under the hood and the other acting as safety pilot.  We would do cross-country trips, with one acting as safety pilot one way, and then switching on the return trip.  By doing this, you gain instrument experience, plus getting to log the time spent as a safety pilot.  Then you can split the costs between you and your partner.
 
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Reply #8 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 1:40am

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The only thing you can really do with just a private and instrument is fly skydivers for free or take your friends flying and try to get them to split the cost with you.  You can't legally do anyhting that you profit from and even after you have your commercial, you can't just fly people around and charge them without an operators certificate.  Be careful with that stuff
 
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Reply #9 - May 6th, 2009 at 7:41pm

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I have no intention of flying for profit until I have my commercial, I was mainly just wondering what sort of opportunities are out there once I have my commercial. Im not sure if I wanna go the flight instructor route. Which would require more ratings.
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 13th, 2009 at 4:49pm

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I had this idea (not sure if it's legal under the FAR):

Go to the local college or university and find the art/media department.  Post a flyer (or a bunch) saying that you will fly photographers or videographers around, so long as they split the payment of the aircraft with you.
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 15th, 2009 at 5:42pm

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Travis wrote on Jun 13th, 2009 at 4:49pm:
I had this idea (not sure if it's legal under the FAR):

Go to the local college or university and find the art/media department.  Post a flyer (or a bunch) saying that you will fly photographers or videographers around, so long as they split the payment of the aircraft with you.


Sounds legal to me.
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 6:33pm

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specter177 wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 5:42pm:
Travis wrote on Jun 13th, 2009 at 4:49pm:
I had this idea (not sure if it's legal under the FAR):

Go to the local college or university and find the art/media department.  Post a flyer (or a bunch) saying that you will fly photographers or videographers around, so long as they split the payment of the aircraft with you.


Sounds legal to me.




After reading this thread, I have a question, not quite on Ryans topic but close. I am asking how hours are verified. Does someone have to witness your log entrys? Sure an instructor can verify, but as the above... say at a field with no tower and you and a friend.   
 

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Reply #13 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 8:11pm

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Steve M wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 6:33pm:
specter177 wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 5:42pm:
Travis wrote on Jun 13th, 2009 at 4:49pm:
I had this idea (not sure if it's legal under the FAR):

Go to the local college or university and find the art/media department.  Post a flyer (or a bunch) saying that you will fly photographers or videographers around, so long as they split the payment of the aircraft with you.


Sounds legal to me.





After reading this thread, I have a question, not quite on Ryans topic but close. I am asking how hours are verified. Does someone have to witness your log entrys? Sure an instructor can verify, but as the above... say at a field with no tower and you and a friend.  


Its kind of on the honor system, but trouble awaits for those who pad their logbooks.  The FAA could try to verify your logbook by checking your time against the aircraft logs.  My favorite story of someone getting caught was a guy who worked for an FBO.  Everytime he fueled a plane, he'd write the tail number in his logbook and add time.  Worked for a while, until he had an FAA checkride.  The examiner was looking at his logbook and noted our pilot had flown aircraft N#####.  It was the examiner's personal aircraft that he had owned since new and no one else had flown.
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 16th, 2009 at 8:31pm

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DaveSims wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 8:11pm:
Steve M wrote on Jun 16th, 2009 at 6:33pm:
specter177 wrote on Jun 15th, 2009 at 5:42pm:
Travis wrote on Jun 13th, 2009 at 4:49pm:
I had this idea (not sure if it's legal under the FAR):

Go to the local college or university and find the art/media department.  Post a flyer (or a bunch) saying that you will fly photographers or videographers around, so long as they split the payment of the aircraft with you.


Sounds legal to me.





After reading this thread, I have a question, not quite on Ryans topic but close. I am asking how hours are verified. Does someone have to witness your log entrys? Sure an instructor can verify, but as the above... say at a field with no tower and you and a friend.  


Its kind of on the honor system, but trouble awaits for those who pad their logbooks.  The FAA could try to verify your logbook by checking your time against the aircraft logs.  My favorite story of someone getting caught was a guy who worked for an FBO.  Everytime he fueled a plane, he'd write the tail number in his logbook and add time.  Worked for a while, until he had an FAA checkride.  The examiner was looking at his logbook and noted our pilot had flown aircraft N#####.  It was the examiner's personal aircraft that he had owned since new and no one else had flown.




Thanks, I've wondered about hours. Funny story, He could have starred on a dumbest pilot show.
 

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