Simviation Forum - F1 Predictions Bahrain

Apr 20^th, 2009 at 5:36pm

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The 4th round already Shocked

Same again, pick the podium!

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Reply #1 - Apr 20^th, 2009 at 5:37pm

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Reply #2 - Apr 20^th, 2009 at 5:45pm

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Reply #3 - Apr 20^th, 2009 at 5:49pm

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I'm going to wait on this. Toyota were strong here in winter testing. It'll be interesting to see if red bull have the dry weather pace that they had in the wet to match brawn. And in theory this should be the first race that doesn't have. rain safety cars or any other thing (sandstorms possible lol) to mess things up.

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Reply #4 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 3:42pm

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red button highlights up for Bahrain 2004-2008.
I shall prob say this every race, but damn we need the V10's back. Heck we need those cars in general back. Really does make you realise how pathetic the cars we have now are.

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Reply #5 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 5:23pm

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Not that you're predictable Craig, but really I think you meant:

Craig. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 3:42pm:

I shall prob say this every race, but damn we need the V10's back. Heck we need those cars in general back. Really does make you realise how pathetic ~~the cars~~ THE FERRARIS we have now are.

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Reply #6 - Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 6:01pm

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I wouldn't say no to a return to a 2004 showing but i really do think those cars in general are needed. The slowest car in 2004 was faster than the fastest car this year. Yes I love the F2004 but I also think the Mclaren of 2005 was a very good looking car. The sounds of the V10's are a million times better than the V8's and quite frankly the top speed in 2004 was over 212mph in Bahrain, the top speed this year will be about 197. This whole backwards trip that they are on needs to stop.

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Reply #7 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 7:06am

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Craig. wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2009 at 6:01pm:

I wouldn't say no to a return to a 2004

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showing but i really do think those cars in general are needed. The slowest car in 2004 was faster than the fastest car this year. Yes I love the F2004 but I also think the Mclaren of 2005 was a very good looking car. The sounds of the V10's are a million times better than the V8's and quite frankly the top speed in 2004 was over 212mph in Bahrain, the top speed this year will be about 197. This whole backwards trip that they are on needs to stop.

Speed isn't necessarily progress. I'm just looking forward to 2010 now. USF1, Lola, and Aston Martin (Prodrive) all looking for the new slots.

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Reply #8 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 5:35pm

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Depends how excited will you be when "aston" turn up and end up like another jaguar outfit. Slowly killing off the brands credibility. Or of course USGP, they can turn up next march with their 2 american drivers and within 5 laps show why that idea is a very bad one (no offense meant to our american friends but there are no drivers in the US main stage, ready to jump in and compete in an F1 car near the top of the charts in the 10 months or so before the start. And how many here remember lola's last entry into the F1 world. 97 was it? turned up for two races failed to even qualify for either if I remember correctly. Then again when your number 1 driver is Mr Rosset you consider it a sucessful weekend if you dont have to rebuild the car before its even left the pitlane.

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Reply #9 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 6:11pm

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No sense in debating with craig, hes a little crabby after the past 3 races Grin

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Reply #10 - Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 7:05pm

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seriously though whats to debate?
Seen it so many times before with new teams. Next year we're likely to have split championships. One for those who stick to the budget caps and can have all the freedom they want for $50 million. And one for those who think they can do better outside the budget caps.

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Reply #11 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 6:11am

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Craig. wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2009 at 5:35pm:

Depends how excited will you be when "aston" turn up and end up like another jaguar outfit. Slowly killing off the brands credibility. Or of course USGP, they can turn up next march with their 2 american drivers and within 5 laps show why that idea is a very bad one (no offense meant to our american friends but there are no drivers in the US main stage, ready to jump in and compete in an F1 car near the top of the charts in the 10 months or so before the start. And how many here remember lola's last entry into the F1 world. 97 was it? turned up for two races failed to even qualify for either if I remember correctly. Then again when your number 1 driver is Mr Rosset you consider it a sucessful weekend if you dont have to rebuild the car before its even left the pitlane.

Theirs a lot of difference between an essentially Prodrive operation and the mish-mash that was Ford (sorry, Jaguar). As for Lola, they can design a car, and in the next year I suspect there will be plenty of people able to make a talented team around.

As for USF1, if they choose the correct drivers, they should be okay.

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Reply #12 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 10:37am

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Oh and Piquet off at turn 10 this time Grin

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Reply #13 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 12:17pm

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Celtman wrote on Apr 24^th, 2009 at 10:37am:

Oh and Piquet off at turn 10 this time Grin

I didn't escape my notice his issues today...

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Reply #18 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 5:41pm

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And my completely random selection for this week is.......

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Reply #19 - Apr 24^th, 2009 at 7:23pm

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In time? Qualifying just about to start.

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Reply #21 - Apr 25^th, 2009 at 6:24am

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TSC. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2009 at 6:16am:

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In time? Qualifying just about to start.

Just about... Wink

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Reply #22 - Apr 25^th, 2009 at 8:11am

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In time? Qualifying just about to start.

Just about... Wink

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Pah, I had a whole 8 minutes left. Grin

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Reply #23 - Apr 25^th, 2009 at 5:06pm

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Bugger! Completely forgot to enter... Undecided

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Reply #25 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 4:13am

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BigTruck wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 3:30am:

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Am I too late?

AFAIK Doug and Paul let their Superlicences lapse a few years back.

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Reply #26 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 7:55am

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C wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 4:13am:

BigTruck wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 3:30am:

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Am I too late?

AFAIK Doug and Paul let their Superlicences lapse a few years back.

Licences, I would have thought that they would have been on grandfather rights Grin

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Reply #27 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 1:14pm

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An interesting race. Not so much for the action but for the pace of the cars. Brawn clearly no longer have the speed advantage they had before. Red Bull and in specific Vettel are now in terms of race pace, virtually equal and had he not been held up would have won the race. Mclaren and toyota are moving forward fast, and even Ferrari have moved closer. Brawn dont seem to have moved at all. Which leads me to believe their budget has run out for developments or is running very low, and explains why there have been so many sponsor selling points on the shows lately. Maybe Branson will buy us a long term thing, maybe someone will come in with a bigger offer, so on and so on. But if they dont find some money soon that dream start will quickly develop into a mid-field fight for points. Mclaren, Red Bull and Ferrari have all promised new cars between spain and Monaco. Without the inseason testing it could be hit and miss with the new cars but if they are quick out the box then maybe the seasons not quite done yet.

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Reply #28 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 1:32pm

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Craig. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 1:14pm:

An interesting race. Not so much for the action but for the pace of the cars.

Missed the first few laps again Craig? Wink

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Brawn clearly no longer have the speed advantage they had before. Red Bull and in specific Vettel are now in terms of race pace, virtually equal and had he not been held up would have won the race.

The point being Brawn were tactically more astute, and RBR shouldn't have left Vettel stuck behind Trulli in the middle stint.

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Brawn dont seem to have moved at all. Which leads me to believe their budget has run out for developments or is running very low, and explains why there have been so many sponsor selling points on the shows lately. Maybe Branson will buy us a long term thing, maybe someone will come in with a bigger offer

Or Brawn are biding their time, and waiting until they feel they really need to before bringing in updates. If the latest news from Branson is to be believed, before too long they'll be the title sponsor. I think with the impressive start to the season, they're seeing how the other teams respond and playing their cards very close to their chest.

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Reply #29 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 2:52pm

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Thing is todays race is the sort of thing you'll get all the time from a guy like ross brawn. You dont need to lead from the start he'll get you up front if the car is capable. Worked for ferrari for years, its working for Jenson now. I've said it all along there is no better tactician in motorsport.
Qualifying to me showed Brawn aren't hiding anything. Right now they are no longer years ahead. They've been caught up. If they have got something back in the factory to help it'll be on in spain simple as. Vettel being heavier and faster in quali will have woken them up in a big way.

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Reply #30 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 2:57pm

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Craig. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 2:52pm:

Vettel being heavier and faster in quali will have woken them up in a big way.

Heavier and faster is only relevant when you win... which Red Bull didn't.

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Reply #31 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 3:32pm

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Wow, Ferrari managed to scrape up 3 pts. How did that happen?

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Vettel being heavier and faster in quali will have woken them up in a big way.

Heavier and faster is only relevant when you win... which Red Bull didn't.

Which is where the tactical brilliance of Brawn comes in. Too bad that they were supposed to take away some of the tactics this year and put it back in the hands of the drivers. But when you have a KERS car like Lewis' which is slower than a car like Vettels without the KERS but because of that one little button, it makes it virtually impossible for a car without it to pass another one with it. Again see toyota of Glock trying to pass Kimi. It should be all cars have it or none of them.
I'm not trying to take away from Jenson at all, they just need to keep on the development trail because its not as easy at it looked a month ago.

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Craig. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 2:52pm:

Vettel being heavier and faster in quali will have woken them up in a big way.

Heavier and faster is only relevant when you win... which Red Bull didn't.

And what we don't know is what performance penalty Brawn were suffering during each individual session this weekend. Seemed to have a lucky break during the race, with the temp dropping towards the mid 30s by mid race.

Possibly slightly concerning for them for the hot and dry races, as the Merc was generally found to be more efficient than the planned Honda powerplant in the cooling department.

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Reply #34 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 4:19pm

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As a side note. There are pics of Alonso collapsing in a post race press conference. Apparently his drinks bottle failed early in the race and those genious' at Renault decided to have him infront of the media before he could get rehydrated.

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Reply #35 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 4:57pm

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Craig. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 3:36pm:

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Craig. wrote on Apr 26^th, 2009 at 2:52pm:

Vettel being heavier and faster in quali will have woken them up in a big way.

Heavier and faster is only relevant when you win... which Red Bull didn't.

Which is where the tactical brilliance of Brawn comes in. Too bad that they were supposed to take away some of the tactics this year and put it back in the hands of the drivers.

Which they've eventually twigged on with the removal of refuelling stops from next year. Now all they need to do is sort out the tyre regulations.

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Reply #36 - Apr 26^th, 2009 at 5:01pm

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well it could be fun next year as they are returning to the 97 style narrow front tyres.

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