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Apr 14th, 2009 at 12:00pm

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For FSX?

Is this hard to install? Looking on their website it seems that everything is for FS2004. I did see a spot for converting to FSX. This addon stuff is new to me... Undecided
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 1:47pm

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These are packaged similar to WOAI if you've ever used that. Many have additional voicepack callsigns and scenery to add even more authenticity, giving the option of just installing the aircraft & flightplans or all the extras. Their support forum is good for helping with adjusting their packages for use in FSX. Why not try downloading one or two packages to see how it goes. It's pretty addictive.
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 2:41pm

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Ive been going back to their website and reading the conversion. From what I read it works too by installing it straing in FSX with minor problems...like scheduled flights during the week, fly on the weekends or something. I will give it a shot when I get out of work.

Thanks for the reply!!
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 4:46pm

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While all MAIW packages are developed strictly for use in FS9 we've come to find out that many of them work just fine in FSX.

Do read the thread on converting some files for FSX though.

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Reply #4 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 4:56pm

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Thanks!!

Im just trying to find out as much as I can before I go home and try yo download it and see what happens. Im limited here at the office as what I can see and read on the main MAIW site.

Is it a self-installer?? Or a lot of file digging & replacing files with number and such?

Do these addons slow down the sim?

Do you need Acceleration? SP! & 2?

I did get an email from my neighbor who is giving me a better video card today too. So Im eager to FLY with the add on stuff!  Cheesy
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:53pm

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I don't use FSX so I can't comment about SP1 or 2.


All the newer MAIW projects come with self installers. Some of the older ones will use the WoAI installer.

All AI models feature multi-LOD models which take lesser resources from your machine than most older commercial airline models.

But just like anything else, even too much of a good thing can slow things down. But if you have a machine capable of running FSX then running MAIW packages should not be a problem.
 

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Reply #6 - Apr 16th, 2009 at 11:49am

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Well it ended up in total disaster! Guess I will just stay away from those.  Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 17th, 2009 at 6:18pm

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Don't give up yet.  Quite a few people use MAIW packages with FSX.

Post on the forum over there and you'll get all the help you need to get all those fantastic military AI working in your sim.
 

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Reply #8 - Apr 21st, 2009 at 7:57pm

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There's no reason for it to be a "total disaster".  Yes, getting the packages to work properly in FSX takes some additional work, but by no means is it beyond the reach of even the most novice of flight simmers.  All the help you ever need is available on our forums, all you have to do is ask.

We're also discussing how to make the packages more FSX friendly in the form of an FSX specific installer, no promises though.
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 2:50pm

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Thanks guys! Didnt mean to offend anyone...I know its a good program. I just have to get it right for the install!
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 10:24am

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WAHOOO!!! I got it to work in FSX!! I had to have a little bit of help from a good neighbor!! First flight was at Osan AFB. Took off in my F-16 doing touch and go's and before you knew I was joined by another F-16 & A-10!!!  Cool Smiley Shocked Cheesy
 
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Reply #11 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 9:27pm

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Only a 135 more packages to download!  Wink
 

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Reply #12 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 1:24pm

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Tell me about it!!

Do you have to go all over the map to all the rest or are they listed somewhere on the sight???

And my guess is that they all have to be converted just like the first set of 25?
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 26th, 2009 at 10:21pm

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We just use the map feature to list the packages on our site.  You can also visit this site:  http://www.interkultur.de/gossmann/fsx/maiw.php  which is a complimentary site to ours and lists most of our packages in textual format, although it appears that it's not been updated for a while.  Come to think of it, I don't think our map has been updated for a while either.

That site I mentioned also has a tutorial on it on converting the packages to FSX.

And yes they must all be converted, they are only designed and tested for FS9.  But once you've done it a couple times, it is relatively simple to do after that (so I'm told).
 

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Reply #14 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 6:23pm

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I've had trouble with MIAW, it no work! Angry
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 4:05pm

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Will MIAW traffic cut out regular AI traffic??? All my regular traffic is gone...
 
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Reply #16 - Jul 10th, 2009 at 10:47pm

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RaptorF22 wrote on Jul 9th, 2009 at 6:23pm:
I've had trouble with MIAW, it no work! Angry


Could you be a little more specific??  Also you will get far more help on our support forums than you will get here.

Elroy13 wrote on Jul 10th, 2009 at 4:05pm:
Will MIAW traffic cut out regular AI traffic??? All my regular traffic is gone...


No it doesn't cancel out any other traffic.

EDITED to read:  No it doesn't cancel out any other FS9 traffic.  It will cancel out FSX traffic if the traffic file is not converted first to the FSX format.
« Last Edit: Jul 13th, 2009 at 8:38pm by MIKE JG »  

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Reply #17 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 7:38am

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Elroy13 wrote on Jul 10th, 2009 at 4:05pm:
Will MIAW traffic cut out regular AI traffic??? All my regular traffic is gone...



Are you using MAIW in FSX?  You must convert the MAIW packages to FSX standards, or it WILL cause your FSX default traffic to disappear.

ALL FS2004 Traffic files will do this to FSX unless the bgl files are converted using AIFPC or something similar.

I've got all the MAIW & PAI packs installed in FS9 & FSX, and they all work perfectly. Wink

I'm still working on converting all of the Russian Military from avsimRU to FSX standards, but I'm getting there. Wink

 
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Reply #18 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 10:54am

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Although I'm still learning about MAIW installing my first package (Hornet) it did cause all my traffic to disappear.  Now mind you .... I have MyTraffic installed .... and ALL of my traffic disappeared.  I can find NO CLEAR walkthrough on any of this. Much references FS2000, FS2004 and the installing of a "Virtual FS9" directory, and many "fixes" and "repairs" and "updates".  I'm not criticizing .. I'm just saying it's quite difficult to get it all right without messing something else up.

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Reply #19 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 11:02am

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The virtual FS9 directory is needed because of the auto installer.

Just make a folder call it FS9 and place a copy of the FS9.exe Inside it, and that's where the auto installer will put everything.

When that's done, move the planes & scenery over to FSX, and then convert the flight plans to FSX version using AIFPC (free).

It's not hard to do, the reason they don't do it themselves, is because it's not meant for FSX. If they did, they would have to field all kinds of support questions for problems that are caused by trying to put the square peg into the round hole.

Posky is the same way.  Wink

WOAI and PAI  have come up with an installer that will do all of this automatically, so I'm sure the guys at MAIW are cooking something up.

FS9 isn't going to last forever (as much as I would like it too. Roll Eyes Wink )
 
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Reply #20 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:20pm

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What he said.  Smiley
 

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Reply #21 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 1:51pm

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I did indeed create the FS9 folder with the necessary FS9.exe inside and all the requested folders and sub-folders, installed the Hornet package and then moved all the planes and scenery to FSX.  But when they start talking about flight plans ....  I see no documentation to to help me understand "which fs9 flight plans?" ...   like where are they, how did they get created, etc.  AIFPC .... well,  not very clear.  Now if I had been raised with FS9 I'd probably have a better understanding ....  but I'm still working on it!  Any progress is good progress.  Grin Grin Grin
 

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Reply #22 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 2:15pm

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Understood. Wink

FS9 traffic files are different than the FSX ones.

For some reason, if you put a traffic file made for FS9 into FSX, it will override the  FSX traffic file, thus making all of your FSX traffic disappear.
All MAIW flight plans come in the FS9 format and need converted. Wink

To fix this, a freeware program called AIFPC (or AI Flight Plan Converter) was created to convert FS9 traffic files to FSX.


A traffic file has the .bgl extension (like scenery) and can be found in :

Scenery\World\scenery   folder in FSX and FS9.
 
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Reply #23 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 4:39pm

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That's the frustrating thing for us.  There are just enough differences between the two version (FS9 vs. FSX) to make it not worth our time. 

Had they carried more parts over from 9 to X, it would be much easier to produce packages for both versions.
 

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Reply #24 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 4:49pm

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MIKE JG wrote on Jul 11th, 2009 at 4:39pm:
That's the frustrating thing for us.  There are just enough differences between the two version (FS9 vs. FSX) to make it not worth our time.  

Had they carried more parts over from 9 to X, it would be much easier to produce packages for both versions.



I thank you for not ditching the FS9 crowd for the new & flashy model. Wink

It's nice to know we still rate high on someone's list. Smiley
 
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Reply #25 - Jul 11th, 2009 at 6:31pm

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Reply #26 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 12:45pm

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Wouldnt it just be easier to provide MAIW for FSX instead of the long route? Why is FS9 better than FSX?
 
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Reply #27 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 8:44pm

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To make a very long debate very short, because no one on the MAIW staff has been impressed by FSX enough to make the switch.  Therefore there is no one to put the packages together in the FSX required format and more importantly, there is no one to beta test the packages in FSX.

That's about as simple as I can put it.

I wish we could do both, but just like every other freeware organization, we are always strapped for volunteers willing to put these things together for free.

Don't forget what we do is far more time consuming than what WoAI or AIG or any other AI group does for that matter.  So it's not just a matter of converting a few files.
 

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Reply #28 - Jul 13th, 2009 at 10:07pm

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Update .... After some hours I finally had success and it looks really cool!!  I pulled up in my C-130 behind a couple of French Mirages today waiting for them to get clearance.  I've only installed 3 pkgs (Mountain Home, Idaho, the Finnish F18 Hornets and the French Mirages).   Martin Gossman's Guide is detailed, step by step and first class.  I appreciate the great planes and it really enhances the experience, especially when you are not flying multiplayer.

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Reply #29 - Jul 14th, 2009 at 11:49am

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MIKE JG wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 at 8:44pm:
To make a very long debate very short, because no one on the MAIW staff has been impressed by FSX enough to make the switch.  Therefore there is no one to put the packages together in the FSX required format and more importantly, there is no one to beta test the packages in FSX.

That's about as simple as I can put it.

I wish we could do both, but just like every other freeware organization, we are always strapped for volunteers willing to put these things together for free.

Don't forget what we do is far more time consuming than what WoAI or AIG or any other AI group does for that matter.  So it's not just a matter of converting a few files.


Makes sense! Thanks for the reply!
 
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Reply #30 - Jul 14th, 2009 at 4:29pm

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grizzard wrote on Jul 13th, 2009 at 10:07pm:
Update .... After some hours I finally had success and it looks really cool!!  I pulled up in my C-130 behind a couple of French Mirages today waiting for them to get clearance.  I've only installed 3 pkgs (Mountain Home, Idaho, the Finnish F18 Hornets and the French Mirages).   Martin Gossman's Guide is detailed, step by step and first class.  I appreciate the great planes and it really enhances the experience, especially when you are not flying multiplayer.

Gritz


I see some Morrocan Mirages in that shot as well.   Wink

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