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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2009 at 2:12pm

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C wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 11:44am:
OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote on Apr 13th, 2009 at 8:47am:
So they cancel the $140 million F-22 for the $200+million F-35, that makes perfect since. Especial since Japan has asked more then once to get permission to buy the F-22 for the JASDF, witch would make the cost go down per unit, and if it did the UK had already expressed interest in buying some also, witch would drive it down even more


The UK never expressed an interest in the F-22 (we could never afford it, particularly alongside the £75m/unit Eurofighter) - it is only a partner in the F-35 programme. I suspect the only serious export interest would have been from current F-15 operators, namely Japan, Israel, South Korea and Saudi Arabia. Selling the F-22 to any of these nations would be politically and diplomatically suicidal in the current world climate.

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***Still like how Gates has said the Raptor is not combat proven, but it is by his decree that Raptors are not allowed to be sent into combat, a good way to justifies not buying more cold war relics as he puts it***


To be honest, at the moment there's more than capable legacy aircraft available to support current operations in the punishing conditions of the middle east. There'd be little point wasted F-22 life and potentially expose the aircraft to unnecessary exposure to less than desirable sources in an operation where it's most potent specialities are not required. Smiley

This was years ago that the UK was looking into the F-22, before the first Euro Fighter even flew, and the USAF took delivery of there first F-22, back when it was supposed to be the F/A-22. but the MoD eventually just waited it out for the Euro Fighter.

As far as taking it into combat, it is designed for combat as a combat aircraft, and the commanders wanted to bring it over there to get what ever bugs worked out right away, rather then years from now when it has to, and they don't have the luxury of being able to send it back and fix what ever might have arisen.

Much like the C-17, first it was to expensive to buy and they could not justify its use when the C-141B and C's were still able to fly into hostile places fine. But the moment they started using it for its intended purpose, we had to do quick modifications for the stuff that ended up arising from actually using it in combat situations.  And as a result every thing produced from 2002 on has the mods built in, and every one benefits, while the older planes are modded.
 

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Reply #16 - May 2nd, 2009 at 1:18am

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May 1, 2009



By Andy Nativi

Stung by criticism in Washington over the VH-71 presidential helicopter program that U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates wants to scrap and reassess, AgustaWestland is firing back and arguing, essentially, that there is no reason to start all over.

Rather than junking the Increment 1 helos, which the Pentagon says only have 5-10 years of useful life and are therefore not worth fielding, AgustaWestland argues that the rotorcraft, with some certification activities, can be validated for at least 10,000 hours of useful life, not the 1,500 specified by the Navy. The baseline AW101 aircraft is already certified for that flight time.

Moreover, with about $3.3 billion already sunk into the program, AgustaWestland argues it can deliver 19 more Increment 1 variants for another $3.5 billion.

The total would roughly equal the original VH-71 program budget before costs more than doubled as requirements grew and the program raced ahead.

The helo maker further is floating the idea of building an upgraded version, a so-called Increment 1.5, which would be close to meeting the full program requirements but below the $13 billion price tag the program has now reached.

Meanwhile, AgustaWestland has delivered the fifth pilot-production VH-71 from its Yeovil, U.K., production facility.

Chief Executive Officer Giuseppe Orsi says that while program costs have doubled, the helicopter’s portion is only a comparatively modest 8 percent over plan and six months behind schedule, which he attributes to 50 major and 800 other design changes.

AgustaWestland on April 28 finished delivery of Increment 1, with the last of nine VH-71s now bound for completion with integrator Lockheed Martin (Aerospace DAILY, April 29).


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Reply #17 - May 2nd, 2009 at 4:29am

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Interesting. I wonder what the outcome will be - take the chosen helicopter with the airframe supplier offering to match the original budget price, or start the programme all over again? Huh
 
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Reply #18 - May 2nd, 2009 at 8:53pm

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flyboy 28 wrote on Apr 9th, 2009 at 1:15am:
Good thing everything's still floating along with the navy. Tongue



For now...

Standby for a small fleet to be sent to the  mothballs, or for a few CVN's to be retired and not replaced.

Its coming.
 
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Reply #19 - Jun 2nd, 2009 at 9:34pm

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Navy Officially Terminates VH-71



Jun 2, 2009

The Department of Defense and U.S. Naval Air Systems Command announced the official cancellation of the VH-71 Presidential Helicopter program late Monday.

Earlier that afternoon, a brief appeared and then was removed from NAVAIR's website announcing the cancellation. The link to the announcement was broken, however, and calls to Navy Public Affairs went unanswered.

Hours later, both the Department of Defense and NAVAIR issued official word that the program has been formally terminated with Lockheed Martin Systems Integration in Owego, N.Y. The company was awarded the program in January 2005, and has delivered eight Increment One aircraft to the Navy. A ninth is being flown by Lockheed for testing.

A program acquisition decision memorandum was issued May 15, 2009, directing the cancellation of the program. That decision, according to NAVAIR's statement "resulted from cost growth in the VH-71 program that breached Nunn-McCurdy thresholds."

The Pentagon's new acquisitions chief, Ashton Carter, has asked the Navy to develop options for a replacement helicopter and present those to his office. The President's budget for fiscal 2010 contains funds for service life extension of the current VH-60N/VH-3D fleet. Termination costs are unknown at this time, and Lockheed has a full year to submit a proposal for a settlement.

Bettina H. Chavanne chavanne@aviationweek.com
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I wander what they are going to do with the 5 they already paid for and have? Those still work, and should be painted by now, except for the 5th one.
 

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