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Apr 3rd, 2009 at 2:42am

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Okay. I don't know anywhere else to turn short of paying thru the nostrils. Here's my situation:

My desktop is an Ibuypower gaming PC I got for my bday. It's no monster but it runs things for me to my satisfaction. it has a quad core q6600 and 4 gigs of ram - 32 bit vista. It has an ASUS P5N-E Sli mobo with 2 XFX 8600 GTS cards I run in both SLI and single card depending on the game. I've disconnected all my toys from it down to a generic keyboard and simple usb corded mouse and the problem persists. The problem? At boot up it can literally take 2 to 4 hours to boot to the desktop. After turning the power on it just hangs at the ASUS splash screen (the one where it tells you to hit delete for setup and tab for post bios message.)  Putting in the vista recovery in the dvd drive doesn't do any good either just does the same thing. if you do hit either key or F8 for that matter it does go to the appropriate screen, but sits there for hours as well before actually going to the set up screen or bios or the boot menu. I've tried changing the cmos battery. Putting in a new hardrive. Installing the latest bios from Asus. Updating AND rolling back the Nvidia drivers. The thing is... when it does finally boot everything works fine. No problems. I'm no PC whiz, but I have been messing with these things since my first PC which was a TI 1000. What ver happen to the days when it was always either the config.sys or autoexec.bat file? Any way I'm guessing that the problem has to be somewhere in the process of turning power on and bios reading the drive kicking off system boot up. I mean doesn't that make sense? I've tried moving everything to an external and reinstalling vista. I've set up bios step by step according to the booklet that came with the pc. I'm not up to speed on the ins and outs of pc techno terms, but does RAID have anything to do with boot up?

One thing I noticed though is that if you turn the monitor off it usually doesn't take as long - sometimes as little as an hour and a half (woo-hoo). Yes I tried a changing monitors but no dice there.

Yes, I know I should just take it to the geeks at Bestbuy, but I'm on a fixed income at the moment and I really need to save the scratch if possible. So do any of you techies have any ideas I could try before having I take the ride down to Bestbuy? I realize I'm just grasping at straws here, but I'm hoping maybe someone has had this happen and it's something simple I just don't know I need to do. Any help or suggestions would be mucho appreciated.
 

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Reply #1 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 8:08am

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I just did a quick google and found this thread.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244141-30-p5n32-updated-bios-wont-boot-hangs-s...

The fix for this guy was to remove the USB keyboard and mouse and try a PS/2 one.

Also you might want to roll back the BIOS to an earlier version and see if that helps out.
 

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Reply #2 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 4:48pm

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Well,  I unplugged everything USB and hooked up a ps2 keyboard and mouse. That didn't do it, BUT I also have the 1203 BIOS installed from ASUS' web site and it's a beta that's been giving people a lot of problems. So, as soon as it finally boots up again I'll roll that back to the latest non beta bios which is 1103. I'll let you know what happens...

Thanks for answering my post in any case.

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Reply #3 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 4:57pm

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other than rolling back the BIOS, when it finally does boot up, how many processes are running??  Some of them might need to be killed BEFORE bootup (MSN Messenger, Windows Media Player... such like that if they are slated to start when the system starts.)
 

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Reply #4 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 5:17pm

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I don't recall exactly how many but from memory I believe it's in the area of 52 processes (which is way too many, I know). I've killed as many as I could based on what I know for sure windows doesn't need to run, but some of them are iffy for me. I did use Nick's post on killing processes on this puter which is a gaming lap top and it has helped. I'll have to apply the same tweaks to my desktop as well.

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Reply #5 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 5:47pm

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bbstackerF wrote on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 4:48pm:
Well,  I unplugged everything USB and hooked up a ps2 keyboard and mouse. That didn't do it, BUT I also have the 1203 BIOS installed from ASUS' web site and it's a beta that's been giving people a lot of problems. So, as soon as it finally boots up again I'll roll that back to the latest non beta bios which is 1103. I'll let you know what happens...

Thanks for answering my post in any case.

keni Smiley


Is there any other USB devices plugged in like flash drives or printers? Try removing every single usb plug and see if it helps. Also look into the BIOS, find a setting like "Legacy USB support" and see if changing its setting yields an results. When rolling back the BIOS, download the 2 or 3 previous versions incase you still get headaches after the first one.
 

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Reply #6 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 6:00pm

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Roger that, Wingo.

Right now there's nothing USB attached anywhere on the puter. I've got it waiting to go into setup, so I'll look for that USB setting you mentioned as well. The last time it was on though I hit the F5 key which was to put everything in BIOS back to default in case I screwed some setting up in the course of my tinkering.

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Reply #7 - Apr 3rd, 2009 at 7:26pm

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bbstackerF wrote on Apr 3rd, 2009 at 2:42am:
Okay. I don't know anywhere else to turn short of paying thru the nostrils. Here's my situation:

My desktop is an Ibuypower gaming PC I got for my bday. It's no monster but it runs things for me to my satisfaction. it has a quad core q6600 and 4 gigs of ram - 32 bit vista. It has an ASUS P5N-E Sli mobo with 2 XFX 8600 GTS cards I run in both SLI and single card depending on the game. I've disconnected all my toys from it down to a generic keyboard and simple usb corded mouse and the problem persists. The problem? At boot up it can literally take 2 to 4 hours to boot to the desktop. After turning the power on it just hangs at the ASUS splash screen (the one where it tells you to hit delete for setup and tab for post bios message.)  Putting in the vista recovery in the dvd drive doesn't do any good either just does the same thing. if you do hit either key or F8 for that matter it does go to the appropriate screen, but sits there for hours as well before actually going to the set up screen or bios or the boot menu. I've tried changing the cmos battery. Putting in a new hardrive. Installing the latest bios from Asus. Updating AND rolling back the Nvidia drivers. The thing is... when it does finally boot everything works fine. No problems. I'm no PC whiz, but I have been messing with these things since my first PC which was a TI 1000. What ver happen to the days when it was always either the config.sys or autoexec.bat file? Any way I'm guessing that the problem has to be somewhere in the process of turning power on and bios reading the drive kicking off system boot up. I mean doesn't that make sense? I've tried moving everything to an external and reinstalling vista. I've set up bios step by step according to the booklet that came with the pc. I'm not up to speed on the ins and outs of pc techno terms, but does RAID have anything to do with boot up?

One thing I noticed though is that if you turn the monitor off it usually doesn't take as long - sometimes as little as an hour and a half (woo-hoo). Yes I tried a changing monitors but no dice there.

Yes, I know I should just take it to the geeks at Bestbuy, but I'm on a fixed income at the moment and I really need to save the scratch if possible. So do any of you techies have any ideas I could try before having I take the ride down to Bestbuy? I realize I'm just grasping at straws here, but I'm hoping maybe someone has had this happen and it's something simple I just don't know I need to do. Any help or suggestions would be mucho appreciated.





You know what? I have Nvidea 8600 gt and Asus Mother board and the same thing happened to me last sunday. My computer is still down even after installing a new Western Digital 500 gig HDD.  If you fix yours, I would be interested in the fix

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Reply #8 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 6:02pm

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Well, I guess the computer wins.

I've tried everythig I could think of and everything suggested to me. I've replaced a dvd drive, tried 3 different bios versions. Tried detaching all usb items both before and after each new bios version. A home made vista boot disk is hit and miss. Tried changing numerous settings in bios. A clean install of vista doesn't work (it would take a week to install with the number of times the install restarts.) So I'll just have to bring it to best buy someday. For now at least it will still boot up even if it takes hours.

Keni
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 8:17am

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http://www.motherboards.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39873

This is baffling. I can't find a single thing on google about this, it seems you have a unique problem. Follow the link above and give the minimal boot a go. Also try booting with one stick of RAM at a time incase one of them is playing up and get your hands on another hard drive, disconnect your old one and see if that helps. Try a different PSU and if your MB has an onboard VGA connection, take out your graphics card. The idea is to rule out all the other components to confirm if it is a board problem or not. If none of these make a difference then you are definately looking at a board issue.
 

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