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New Shots of the New True FSX Citation prog (Read 1777 times)

Mar 4^th, 2009 at 1:19am

Alejandro Rojas L. Ex Member
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this shape is one of the most difficult (Funny Nobuddy know this ,but when I did the First Citation X ,I did it like a quick way ,I didn't put too much effort in it ,in all my models the most horrendous and twisted of all my model, I'm trying to imitate as much as I can ,I being two week working just shaping the fuselage Shocked

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Reply #1 - Mar 4^th, 2009 at 7:31pm

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Lots of boolean, and shape/merge, and extrusion, and vertice welding to get THAT fuselage made Cool

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Reply #2 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 12:28am

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Alex, you've done this a lot more than me, so I won't pretend to instruct you, but couldn't you do and editable spline or draw it with NURBS to get the shape of the fuselage aft of the cockpit, then convert it to an editable poly, extrude it, then scale the fuselage as needed?

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Reply #3 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 9:10am

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I've been helping Alex bridge the language gap in the tutorials Cheesy

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Yeah.. spline modeling is one approach to this, but it can be even more work than shape-merge / boolean, etc... Especially with complex, non-symetrical fuselages. Splining also puts vertices in awkward spots.. while other methods tend to create a bunch of problematic vertices.. It's really "six of one, half-dozen of another", .. more about personal preference, than either method being better..

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Reply #4 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 12:49pm

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Alex, you are right. The Citation X (and the Soverign, etc.) have such complex curves that it is extremely difficult to recreate in mesh...

As far as I know, the only one who's so far managed to do a credible job on the mesh is Bobby Hayes, the artist who created the Eaglesoft version.

In all fairness though, it did take Bobby nearly a year just to get the fuselage/wingroot/wings correct.

Aside from the portion of fuselage around the cockpit area, where so many models looked "pinched" (I call it pinz-nez - pinched nose), the really hard part is the unique "gull wing swoop" the wings form when viewed from the front.

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Reply #5 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 3:09pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on Mar 6^th, 2009 at 12:49pm:

Alex, you are right. The Citation X (and the Soverign, etc.) have such complex curves that it is extremely difficult to recreate in mesh...

As far as I know, the only one who's so far managed to do a credible job on the mesh is Bobby Hayes, the artist who created the Eaglesoft version.

In all fairness though, it did take Bobby nearly a year just to get the fuselage/wingroot/wings correct.

Aside from the portion of fuselage around the cockpit area, where so many models looked "pinched" (I call it pinz-nez - pinched nose), the really hard part is the unique "gull wing swoop" the wings form when viewed from the front.

Thanks Bill ,But I think I began to see a convincing shape of the most difficul part of the CitX ,..The Fuse..

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Reply #6 - Mar 6^th, 2009 at 4:25pm

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I'd go at it as several parts.. and do the old Boolean thing.. and clean up the mess with the welder Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Mar 9^th, 2009 at 6:45pm

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Brett ,Looks Easy,but trust me It doesn't ,in the fuse there are 4 diferent transitions from a circle to a square then two doiferent shapes merges at the same time Shocked

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, I know how to Cut and union ,what I didn't know was the welding vertices which you thought me

Most of this type of fuselage has to be made Vertice by vertice movement each by one ..Its really though my friend,and Bill Knows what I mean..

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Reply #8 - Mar 9^th, 2009 at 8:16pm

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Yeah.. it's tough.. Loooooks goooood

I've been working on a Convair 240 fuselage for months now.. Shocked

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Reply #9 - Mar 10^th, 2009 at 12:07am

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Don't get confuse this was another plane ,I'm using some of its parts,which some of them are not working very well ,so I believe I will replace them almost all,The new one is well proportioned according to the real Citation X,this was a twisted one, It Looks nice because its painted,the other need couple month more job, YOUALL SEE

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Reply #10 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 12:06pm

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Just to be clear on this Alex, the wings of the Citation X are not straight when viewed from the front. There is are very subtle curves to the top and bottom of the wings as they taper into the wing root, which gives the impression of "gull wings..."

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Reply #11 - Mar 12^th, 2009 at 11:45pm

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Thanks for the advise

Do you mean its curved in both sides at the begining of the wing?
I see the lower side curve in Photos in Airliners.net

In which of this quick paint its closer your description Bill?
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/sdfgfd.jpg

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I think I get it,You mean the entire wing ,right? something like this like a seagull

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/vvcf4555.jpg

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Reply #12 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 10:24am

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http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Cessna-750-Citation/1483506&tbl=&photo_n...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Cessna-750-Citation/1476604&tbl=&photo_n...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Cessna-750-Citation/1460783&tbl=&photo_n...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Cessna-750-Citation/1411477&tbl=&photo_n...

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(NetJets)/Cessna-750-Citation/1397582&tb...
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Here's a few photos I found that might help.

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Reply #13 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 2:33pm

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The last image davysyms linked to shows the point well. This screenshot also shows the subtle effect that Bobby managed to capture with his model vs. another CitX release who didn't... Grin

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Take careful note of the subtle curve of the wing's profile vs. the other which is essentially a straight line. Note also the "tilt" to the engines, as well as being oversized...

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Reply #14 - Mar 13^th, 2009 at 6:37pm

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just a preview , Shocked

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Its though!!

Have you notice,Other posts here in Aircraft and Design are more relevant than what will be for sure another real release airplane ? Its a sure bet ,I never has post an airplane that never came out as Some Boeing 777 who end up with more than 20 pages and for years

the jerks (ME) who spends day and night for a airplane that the jerk will never fly ? Only designers reply,closer friends, maybe its time to QUIT this! , and BTW ,I was confuse there is a VIDEO here too Wasn't a VIDEO area for that? Oh I forgot Its a stranger who's making the plane, that's great.A plane I did have IN my hands and didn't want to do it BECAUSE I MADE THE PLANES FROM A CYLINDER SHAPE AND ENDS LIKE A PLANE, I mean all of it,not finish them ,not finish stranger's airplane ..

, My Post Is not Important, Maybe Its just another crap from the southamerican guy ,But you do use so far the planes I have made for free to the joy of the specially people of this site ,I think I'm stupid, and beginning to realize Maybe its just I'm not welcome here anymore
People from another forum Appreciates more my work than in my own House ,At least I think it was until few days ago..

There are few Freeware FSX True model designers ;I don't charge anything,I can't, So far the only thing I earn for doing this was from another designer and Pilot Brett ,a couple rams for my pc
WE NEEDS AT LEAST ATTENTION FROM THE PEOPLE, I don't think im special ,im a learner in fact , I have found in you tube Severalk videos of my airplanes NONE THEM EVEN SAY MY NAME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXwFDRmOqWc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9rYiRlVLYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKsQ9E4GjSo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGfszMrkenc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF1N-RDUscI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oklQitMyJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_AYBh2_ajQ

there is not enough space to post how many videos are there, and it has to be a Captain Sim to be special..Ahh I forgot freeware models can be change and upload it because they don't worth it ..NorCal

I'm so tire , No feed back ,Few Shots of the planes (HERE) and many things include this

What does this plane has that my free model doesn't have?

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1234657401

A model made in FS9-SDK

I'm sure this will be my last post here ,but its very dissapoint when you don't even have The same people who uses my planes a simple word Go for it Hispanic!! Things like that its the feed of jerks like me..

Alex

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