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Feb 25th, 2009 at 5:41am

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Just seen a breaking news report, it's 5:30am here, so anyone in Europe got any more info?

All they know here is that it crashed on landing at Schipol and broke into 2 or 3 major pieces, but no fire thank goodness.  Oh, wait, they just showed a picture, looks like it was somewhat survivable. Undecided

 
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Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 6:03am

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official statement that no one has died. so good news.
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 6:24am

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close to my favorite spottersplaces, the news here is that there are no fatal injuries.... quite miraculous!
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 6:26am

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Glad to hear that! Smiley Details here are still pretty sketchy and they just keep repeating the same stuff.

 
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Reply #4 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 6:37am

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I found some pictures but also shows medical personell working on victims so I don't know if the links are suitable for anyone, there's no blood or gore or anything like that but it shows the aircraft really well
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 6:47am

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Unfortunately, Dutch media is now reporting a possible 4 or 5 casualties, press conference in 20 mins I'll keep you updated in case cnn doesnt
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 7:11am

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They're showing the footage of the rescue workers now, but still reporting everyone Ok.  They haven't said what kind of plane yet either. A little hard to tell from the pics I'm seeing.
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 7:48am

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Unfortunately the mayor of Haarlemmermeer reported 9 confirmed fatalities with over 50 wounded of which 25 seriously. The next press conference is at 16:00 local time ( in about 2 hours)

The plane was a 737-800
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 9:01am

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Well, at least it did not break earlier. It looks like it broke apart near where it stopped. No fire, very lucky. 9 is still too many people to go... Cry
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 9:51am

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Most of the information flow seems to have stopped now. Here's the information I could gather so far. Please note that not all of the information is officially confirmed yet and a lot of it could be based on speculation and/or rumours alone.

The website of Schiphol (http://www.schiphol.nl/index_uk.html) reports that at 10.31 this morning flight TK 1951 of Turkish Airlines, coming from Istanbul went down just north of the Polderbaan runway. The Boeing 737-800 was carrying 127 passengers and 8 crew members. Upon impact, the plane broke down into three main pieces.

During the press conference it was confirmed that 9 people were killed in the crash and over 50 were wounded, including 25 heavily wounded.

An information hotline is available for passengers’ family and friends: +31 235676543

Eyewitnesses reported that the plane was coming in extremely low and was flying very slow. The plane seemed to wiggle from left to right and then the tail dropped down. It flew like this for a moment and then the nose dropped down violently. It is unclear what happened in the moments between the nose dropping down and the impact. A man who was aboard the plane reported that the aircraft began to shake and then after about 10 seconds it crashed.

There are some unclarities about the way the plane crashed into the ground. It crashed into a muddy field that had just been plowed. Some people say it just fell straight down to the ground. Others report a 100 - 150 meter sliding distance before coming to a halt. This seems to be confirmed by the fact that one of the engines is lying about 100 meters behind the plane. The engines are designed to snap off quite easily in case of a crash. Peolpe living in the vicinity of the crash site felt the ground shake during the impact.

The plane broke into three large pieces (photos here: NOS News). There is a crack between the tailplane and the fuselage and another crack between the wings and the cockpit. Luckily, there was no fire, although there are some reports of one of the engines burning for a short while after the crash.

People crawled/ran out of the plane right after the crash. Some people went back into the plane to help others who were still stuck inside. There were also some locals on the ground who went in to help. Professional emergency help started arriving in about 15 minutes.

The weather conditions at the time of the crash were fairly normal for this location and time of year. It was was raining slightly and a little bit hazy.

Judging from all the images I've managed to estimate the location of the crash site:

Estimated crash site

Crash site overview

Schiphol airport overview

(all images from Google Earth)

The Polderbaan runway is a long distance from the main terminal area (about 7 kilometers).

Air traffic from and to Schiphol is still going, but of course there are much delays and cancellations. Some traffic is rerouted to Rotterdam Airport. Both the Polderbaan and Zwanenburgbaan runways have been closed.

According to the Turkish authorities the plane was constructed in 2002 and last inspected in december 2008.

I saw a Turkish press conference. I think the president of Turkish Airlines was speaking, although I'm not sure. Apparantly the plane was piloted by Hassan Tarcin. They started having problems at 500 meters altitude (about 1500 feet). It was also reported that all crew members survived, although Dutch sources report that some of the crew members were injured.

There is much speculation going on about the possible causes of the crash. There is much talk about a lack of fuel. This is supported by the absence of a fire after the crash. No official statements about the cause of the accident have been made so far. However, it seems clear that there was a sudden lack of power on the last part of the approach.

My thoughts are with all the people who are involved in this crash in any way. A condealance register has been opened here: http://www.condoleance.nl/registers/register_11104.html
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 10:00am

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Thanks for the very in-depth report and the maps and links. This could have been so much worse than what it appears to be so far.

Still a tragic loss of life though. Sad

The running out of fuel certainly raises a lot of questions. Undecided
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 10:23am

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ShaneG wrote on Feb 25th, 2009 at 10:00am:
Thanks for the very in-depth report and the maps and links. This could have been so much worse than what it appears to be so far.

Still a tragic loss of life though. Sad

The running out of fuel certainly raises a lot of questions. Undecided


You're welcome, but again, please note that the running out of fuel is only speculation.

The next press conference has been delayed for half an hour (16.30 European time).
 
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Reply #12 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 11:47am

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New information from the press conference:

134 passengers were aboard the plane
9 confirmed fatalities, including 3 crew who are still in the cockpit.
6 critically wounded.
25 heavily wounded
24 lightly wounded
31 people with injuries that need to be examined further.

84 people were taken to 11 different hospitals. Rescue operations included 60 ambulances and 150 personnel. There were also some trauma helicopters and special vehicles with tracks to get the injured out of the muddy field.

The "black boxes" (I guess they are talking about the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder) have been found.

A special flight with family and friends has departed from Istanbul. The Turkish government thanked the Dutch government for making an exception on visa regulations.

The next press conference will be at 19.15, European time. I don't think there will be news about the cause of the crash though.

Apparantly flight TK1951 didn't dump fuel over the ocean before landing, as it was supposed to. This might point to a lack of fuel. However, these are all still rumours.

Video of the crash site here: http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/miMedia/2009/week09/wo_1545_vlieg...
 
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Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 1:22pm

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9 dead at time of writing...

Probably full of holiday returnees.

Media is already starting a THY bashing session. Turkish airlines have a bad reputation here.

But they were lucky... it could have ended much worse... on the highway or crashing into the road dike
 

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Reply #14 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 7:54pm

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What could happpend? No Fire? a Boeing 737-
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? this is weird  Undecided
 
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