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Feb 19th, 2009 at 12:38pm

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I have the new i7 system running stable at 4.0ghz. I followed Nick's tune-up to the letter. I have Ultimate Terrain X (US, Canada, Europe), SceneryTech and most of the Aerosoft Mega Airports installed. I put all the world landclass files between the "urban" and "vegetation" UT files in the scenery library. All of my airports are on top of everything else. NHancer is on and working. See the full system in my signature.

I have tried flying at unlimited. Can't do it. It stutters so badly that I get airsick! haha So I have set my frames at 30. Most of the time the frames show 29.9 and flicker to 30 some. It just isn't "smooth". I still have little spots of micro stutters and stutters in turns. This really looks about the same as my Q6600 at 3.6mhz.

What can I try? Nick--suggestions? Do you ever get to Houston? If so, I'll take you to dinner if you can look at this in person!
 

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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 1:14pm

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don't put it all on Nick, he has nothing to do with this

if you're still stuttering after tuning the OS and FSX, try adding the BUFFERPOOLS entry into your fsx.cfg

[BUFFERPOOLS]
PoolSize=70000000

try that, or 80000000

see what happens. make sure you are well defragged. you may also want to try the JOBSCHEDULER entry, that helps in some systems

[JOBSCHEDULER]
AffinityMask=15

try those on and off and see how it goes. make sure you restart between tests for best results
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 3:46pm

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I wasn't putting anything "on" Nick. It wouldn't be as good as it is without his guide. I was just asking him for a suggestion as to what may be going on. Don't be so quick to think I was jumping on him. I wasn't at all.

I have the bufferpool entry in the cfg already. I have a 1gb GTX280 card and currently using 35000000. I think I tried 70000000 and had some other issue--can't remember what it was now though---so I lowered it. I will raise it back.

Does the Jobscheduler go under "Main"? Also, does it matter what order these are in under each heading?
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 5:40pm

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stevehookem wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 3:46pm:
I have the bufferpool entry in the cfg already. I have a 1gb GTX280 card and currently using 35000000. I think I tried 70000000 and had some other issue--can't remember what it was now though---so I lowered it. I will raise it back.

Does the Jobscheduler go under "Main"? Also, does it matter what order these are in under each heading?


Hi,

You might find some good tips here, I found a few things in there that I hadn't seen elsewhere.

http://www.highflightsimulations.com/recommended.html

Let me know how you get on, that system is very much like the one I'm currently building.

Ric B.
 
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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 5:40pm

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Hey Steve, just add it at the end of the CFG. I have been playing with the TBM and I am not 100% sure yet but as of now seem to get best result swith it at 90 but I am still testing that. I find the 181.20 driver works best for me.

I have a question for you about the scenery layering. I just added UTX, do I need to layer teh scenery files if I only have UTX with no other landclass and do I need to move my add on airorts before all the UTX items?
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 6:19pm

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i7 for FSX is still being worked out. Some people are finding that some of the tweaks that used to work are causing stutters. First delete your FSX.cfg and let it rebuild a new one. Don't add any tweaks and see how it flys. Next, do NOT set unlimited as it does cause stutters, setting it at a rate that is easily divisible by your monitors refresh rate, usually 60, is a good idea. Possibilities are 20, 30, 60. Also try going one FPS above and below. You can try the buffer pools entry but if you read around a lot people are finding that leaving it out is producing better results. TBM is being set quite low compared to old recommendations. Stick with default then raise it in steps of 10 and see how it goes but you shouldn't be going higher than 110. If you take a duck over to the Tweaking and Overclocking board you'll find this thread: http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1233017567
Nick is asking people with i7s to try different combinations of AffinityMask and hyper threading. The one people are reoprting best results on are hyper threading off and AffinityMask=15. If you don't know where to place it, go down to the very bottom of the cfg and on the last line paste in:

[JOBSCHEDULER]
AffinityMask=15

If you want to use buffer pools paste this underneath on the very bottom line.

[BUFFERPOOLS]
PoolSize=35000000

Again, a few people are reporting that leaving it out is best. Give no buffer pools, 35000000 and 70000000 a shot and see which is best for you.

Last is the sliders. Don't max everything out. Be reasonable and strike a balance. If you're using default traffic, turn it way down or off or find some third party stuff which is easier on frames. Autogen seems to be a big slow done on my system, so I leave it down a bit for smooth flights. Don't bother with DX10 or light bloom. Let us know how you go after this.
 

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Reply #6 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 8:08pm

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If BUFFERPOOLS 70000000 or 80000000 doesn't work it's just best to leave it out. personally, I have it out on my i7 system.

JOBSCHEDULER... that goes in it's own line just as the BUFFERPOOLS

at the end of the fsx.cfg file, write this in:

[JOBSCHEDULER]
AffinityMask=15

just as you'd write in the BUFFERPOOLS

[BUFFERPOOLS]
PoolSize=70000000

or 80000000


I also have mine locked to 30, although I have tried every setting from 20-31 and unlimited (which is WAY too choppy). I would say that 30 is the best for you as well, but if it stutters, I honestly don't know what else to do besides all of these tweaks and testing.

OK, post your FSX settings here and  let's see what you have going. maybe we can work something from that
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 8:51pm

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jwenham wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 5:40pm:
Hey Steve, just add it at the end of the CFG. I have been playing with the TBM and I am not 100% sure yet but as of now seem to get best result swith it at 90 but I am still testing that. I find the 181.20 driver works best for me.

I have a question for you about the scenery layering. I just added UTX, do I need to layer teh scenery files if I only have UTX with no other landclass and do I need to move my add on airorts before all the UTX items?


I think if you use any landclass with UT, you must layer it between the UT Urban and UT Vegetation. Here's a good post from Nick: http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=24965

I read that 60 is best for TBM but I haven't touched it. What is the default?

I use a projector for our sim. I can set 60, 75, 80 (and I think) 85 as the refresh rate. What should I use and what should I set the FPS at?
 

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Reply #8 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 10:18pm

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Well I am convinced that a TBM of 90 works mucho better for me. I actually like using my TrackIR now. Try to set it to 90 and see how it goes for you. The default TBM is 40. It really is a night and day difference for me no doubt about it. The bufferpool tweek is not showing any advantage for me but I have it at 100000000 as I have 896mb of vc ram. I keep my FPS locked at 30 and as far as the refresh rate higher is better but Im not sure if the same goes for projectors. I would set it to the highest it will go.
 

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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 12:32am

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stevehookem wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 8:51pm:
I think if you use any landclass with UT, you must layer it between the UT Urban and UT Vegetation. Here's a good post from Nick: http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=24965

I read that 60 is best for TBM but I haven't touched it. What is the default?

I use a projector for our sim. I can set 60, 75, 80 (and I think) 85 as the refresh rate. What should I use and what should I set the FPS at?


TBM is highly system dependent. Just keep trying values until it is smooth and stutter free. Set you refresh to 60, it will help with calculating the frame lock to use. I suggest a lock of 30 as any more than that is just a number, not that much of a noticeable difference. Also, in nHancer make sure Vsync is on for FSX.
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 8:26am

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Hi,

You might find some good tips here, I found a few things in there that I hadn't seen elsewhere.

http://www.highflightsimulations.com/recommended.html

Let me know how you get on, that system is very much like the one I'm currently building.

Ric B.


I won't be following any of his ideas. He's on an AMD! How serious could he be? haha Those settings are not correct for anyone using an i7.
 

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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 12:41pm

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what is the resolution being run on this projector?


Please dont ever try to suggest a Q6600 and a i7 are in the same league with FSX. LOL...   If you cant see the difference there is something out of whack

Now, When it comes to i7 you will be more susceptible to the issue SP1/SP2 created which is a Vsync problem introduced by Aces with the patch. In the past setting to unlimited frame lock would help quite a bit in large cities and around hubs but even then I NEVER said that frame lock was set in stone. Usually one must set to unlimited in cities and locked 30 outside of cities but that can vary too depending on the scene.

Have you attempted to set this up on a decent monitor first before slamming it into a projection system in order to eliminate the display as the problem?

Bottom line with FSX.cfg tweaks is test and see... I have never seen a system use less than 70 TBM or greater than 100 in FSX. At the same time bufferpools are problematical. The setting may make things worse. The reserved VM is used to smooth out flight over large amounts of AG trees or in turns over large scenery areas however the hardware and drivers can play into the issue to so BP is not set in stone.

Hyperthread has NO use with FSX.. disable it in the BIOS unless the system is being used with an application which will make use of the feature such as video encoding.

Affinity Mask has been shown to help with thread collisions which create stutters with i7 and FSX. A setting of either 7 or 14 tends to be the sweet spot. Again.. that’s not always the case. The 2 AM settings I mentioned removes one core from FSX and cuts down on thread collisions if present which in turn can smooth stutters.


Addons like UTX which change car traffic and how it works can create stutters. Their 1.2 update changes the FSX car traffic system which makes it impossible to set a ZERO slider and remove the CPU and memory footprint off the system. The only way to test for car traffic stutters is to shut down moving traffic in the UTX configuration tool.

Different drivers can produce different results.


Now, one last thing... i7 is not a free pass to jack up the settings, especially traffic. FSX incorporates a backwards compatibility rendering engine and is so freaking old it will never catch up with the hardware. As such the user must tune FSX correctly which my list at simforums provides.



 
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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 1:24pm

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My projector is XGA: 1024 x 768. I did set up FSX on a 22" LCD at 1680x1050 first. We're up pretty close to the screen and the images look amazing projected to 100" wide. It stutters as I roll down the runway and in turns on the LCD.

Only the stuttering looks like the Q6600. Of course I now have the scenery sliders set as you suggested for the i7 vs the lower settings for the Q6600. While flying, the i7 looks fantastic and is smooth as glass!

I thought Affinity Mask=15? I get 10-12 FPS loss with that in place. You say here 7-14. What do you use?

I have traffic way low, no ship, no road traffic. I never notice these much even at higher settings so I took them down.

I noticed that each time I go to show nHancer, the Global settings are reverting back to default. My profile settings stay selected as you recommend but the others will not. How do I get them to stay the same?
 

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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 2:25pm

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I've tried all the combinations or bufferpools, affinity masks, TBM, and so on and I am still getting stuttering. I think bufferpools on is worse than off.

On take off, I see drops of 10-15 frames, on depature they seem to hold more steady right at 30fps but then drop fast to 16 or 17 and back up again. This causes a quick "jerk" and then back to smooth. I am also getting random flashes of black vertical lines or slightly diagonal lines that look like "rips" in the scene before going off again. They are very fast flashes. When I bank into a turn the FPS really goes all over the place somtimes hitting 7-10, back up to 30, down again, etc, etc. This is very frustrating and--really--I'm about to give up. I've thrown so much money at the hardware for this and it's just not too much fun anymore.

Here's my latest settings:

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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 4:37pm

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I would remove your VC driver and then run drive sweeper in safe mode to wipe it out. Then install vc driver back, set up nhancer, try a higher TBM 90 works great for me, and bumping autogen down 1 notch. I assume also that you have UTX installed on your FSX drive. May also want to reseat the VC. Dont give up yet as there is plenty of help around and Im sure you will get it worked out. Let us know your progress.
 

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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:42pm

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What driver are you using for the 260? It should be the same that I use for the 280. I have a "superclocked" edition and have not messed with OCing the VC. What would I use to do that?

I tried EVGA Precision but I can't get it to hold on restart. Is RivaTuner for OCing the VC?
 

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Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:49pm

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Try the higer TBM and also take the scenery and autogen down, that s what is most likely causing the stutters. i7 doesn't let you max out, it only improved smoothness a great deal. What AA setting are you using? If it is too high it can also make an impact on stutters.

EDIT: Also take mesh complexity down to about 80 and try running with no traffic as it uses a lot of CPU cycles.
 

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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:57pm

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try lowering your autogen density down a notch. are those black streaks you mentioned coming from the autogen?
 
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Reply #18 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 11:05pm

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I don't know what's causing the black streaks. I just cleaned and installed the new nVidia driver that was released yesterday. I dropped autogen down one notch but kept everything else the same.

Even though my frames go lower than the set 30, it does seem to be flying without stutters right now and I haven't seen any black streaks. However, I am getting an error message about a dll file when I launch FSX. I will find out what it says and post it later. My son is flying from Rome to Luxenburg at the moment Smiley
 

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Hey Steve, got your message and will call Sat. The DLL error is most likely from one of your add on aircraft. Might want to reinstall them making sure you say ok to all the gauge files as safe to run all the time. I tried the differernt AF mask settings and 15 is what I am sticking with. When I first ggot my SR22 something didnt load properly and it stuttered very bad to the point I was about to ask for my money back. I reinstalled it and it was fine after that. I also went back and looked at your CFG and you have a very short list of trusted files for the aircraft gauges. Also dont know if this makes a difference but I have my aircraft installed on my FSX drive not my C drive. This is my trusted section of my CFG so you can see how many more I have than you. I know the level D has more than what you are showing for sure.

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D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Bendix_King_Radio.DLL.kheqqarrirwzickzlactelhoihnikuubriclauet=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Magnetic_Compass.DLL.qntkekouclcqctqkbrbbhotakhallqtcwtlckuho=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Modules\FSUIPC4.dll.bcwqwlzwqolqzkoarczotrlwqowoobueibhzaeot=1
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Cessna.DLL.tizklnhiwuznocceueoocztwazhzcnorlaewikzk=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Cessna172.DLL.tnnqtnailqlewuwbutbhqinzlnitnialkbouwebb=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Cessna182s.DLL.lqibarweikanzuwenonkhzezbueqrtiekqqnrbow=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\CessnaWAlpha.DLL.lrnrcinculkeuhncotzckbkabbwalkohwahqiaok=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Bell_206B.DLL.wkazbonwhihwtezzbkooqcizraoclzctrtetzaew=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Super80.GAU.zcaoeqlhlkahcrzlequwhulircawknllawlibnco=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Super80.GAU.qhbahkalltelecitreatqrncoreeleukkhzkqbio=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20F0.GAU.uwcznlikqcorainabobzawbanqcnwweqrkbelekh=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20F1.GAU.hlrohikwnnhcbaokbbcnuletuhkebbzccrcuwbbu=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20F2.GAU.wqcwzlbzzbkiewtwbwrkhnlutekabblqzbiwnawl=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\RadioMoney.GAU.icilqoezbnuultbizwtbtwiqbwwuthcrciubonta=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20F3.GAU.thhwuotehtrqnwcoarqowrnwnwthiqhwabkqiznw=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20F4.GAU.zuircooqbwhbbkaealqzkrqownoeruewbibhqrol=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20FVFR.GAU.kbltekoqnbaczaacornuiiiqrbuthiuqqhnqaebt=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20F7.GAU.kqnintolhhtctqntblqhbeeuciwtnnieuuhnteaz=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\Money20FM.GAU.hhtiqcbtbotwbicirhwoqobbzzqcwttueeeilzen=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Modules\LVLD.dll.tlqczawethauutletuercunalhnnlcehqlotatrl=1
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767oh.GAU.zeuaauzbcoluuoiblqoqinuiwzononckubinkbhi=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767main.GAU.tcttwaqallhctcoitqazkcntlickbhcleotbblzn=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767Afds.GAU.koiowhttwznkkonkzwlehiecehqqnaircazitwei=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767at.GAU.rtawbblehqzareecqhooekbkwqeqbowzbeaiwnlq=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767FMC.GAU.bhhnlwuazubhnewkrrezquiwacbnlwbllaeztqra=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767ehsi.GAU.taltnkltwolrheukabhuriehurzwbcinwahwzhur=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767eadi.GAU.icthlwnwlkrblehcueionrnezewbrzrquobubrka=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767eicas.GAU.reuzrnbqziwkrztottniuuekuibbhuinucnewwuk=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767leicas.GAU.icquqrhhzliuurzocwaanatbniehaatcozockkbc=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767Overhead.GAU.uzcqwookkbrkblzoaikwutnzeiwwitcueronnrok=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767pedestal.GAU.wnikrhcoiobrtnwinrbtuqiqhzrlziocllkkulen=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\LVLD\B767Radios.GAU.keaunhektoazabkwuuzqckzuacooralcbrhhiqre=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\GAUGES\737-400.DLL.ouaetwiczcbeoeqwunobwnobnrraucctzuhqhlih=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel.WS\ESCirrusSR22.GAU.ohrwqbnhrbbktnhqqtkinlathceuaaurzkaabrza=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel.WS\ES22TXgauges.GAU.tqrrulwiakwtrrakchznbwonezcurickrtobrtrh=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel.WS\essr22avidynesTx.GAU.owqercoaiiuzlzbzawhruzcwbohkuibrtewlketa=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel.WS\ES_XMLSound.GAU.kwheekrqwcrzibtihcatqiibunworulzatbozkze=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel\ESCirrusSR22.GAU.ohrwqbnhrbbktnhqqtkinlathceuaaurzkaabrza=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel\ES22TXgauges.GAU.tqrrulwiakwtrrakchznbwonezcurickrtobrtrh=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel\essr22avidynesTx.GAU.owqercoaiiuzlzbzawhruzcwbohkuibrtewlketa=2
D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Cirrus SR22 Turbo 1.5\panel\ES_XMLSound.GAU.kwheekrqwcrzibtihcatqiibunworulzatbozkze=2
 

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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 2:21am

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good to see your stutters are gone. it's always about making visual sacrifices for performance, in this case it was your autogen, but at 'very dense' you still get a very nice amount of autogen. the black streaks you were talking about happened to me too, especially when flying over large, forested areas. all I did was throw that autogen slider down a notch and they went away along with any stutters.

the .dll problem most likely is an addon that you have as jwenham said. no worries
 
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 7:53am

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stevehookem wrote on Feb 19th, 2009 at 12:38pm:
I have the new i7 system running stable at 4.0ghz. I followed Nick's tune-up to the letter. I have Ultimate Terrain X (US, Canada, Europe), SceneryTech and most of the Aerosoft Mega Airports installed. I put all the world landclass files between the "urban" and "vegetation" UT files in the scenery library. All of my airports are on top of everything else. NHancer is on and working. See the full system in my signature.

I have tried flying at unlimited. Can't do it. It stutters so badly that I get airsick! haha So I have set my frames at 30. Most of the time the frames show 29.9 and flicker to 30 some. It just isn't "smooth". I still have little spots of micro stutters and stutters in turns. This really looks about the same as my Q6600 at 3.6mhz.

What can I try? Nick--suggestions? Do you ever get to Houston? If so, I'll take you to dinner if you can look at this in person!


Maybe your expectations was to high. If I run autogen on max I'll get stutters in FSX over dense areas with a lot of trees. IMO my new Core i7 pc presented a major performance gain compared to my old pc (C2D X6800, 8800GTX). I run my i7 940 at 3.8GHz. My GTX285 is running at 690MHz.
 

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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 9:13am

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What do you use to OC the video card? I can't get EVGA Precision to stay locked to the settings.
 

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I use Precision. What do you mean when you say stay locked? You can have a saved profile start with windows if you want. What I do is I have a profile made with the settings I want to use and when I run FSX iI activate the profile. You can even assign the profile to a key if you want to. The setting to make it start with windows is nder the wrench tool. The place where profiles are saved shows under the defunct test button area. You may have to click the little arrow to make it show. Then set up your settings including fan speed then click apply and then right click the slot for the number 1 profile. You can have up to 10 of them. When you right click it it will then be saved. To activate it simply LEFT click the profile you have made and then apply and you are good to go. When you are done just hit reset all to put it back to default for when FSX is not running.  I OC mine an additional 10% from the factor OC with no problems. I run my fan at 65.
 

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Also dont freak out about the graph showing incorrect settings. The card downclocks itself when needed but the fan will remain at the speed set. Maybe that is what you mean when you say the setting wont stick.
 

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Reply #25 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:54am

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A huge DUH to me.....

I used Nick's guide to set up FSX when I installed it on my system. However, I had forgotten to use his WinXP guide!! I can't believe I am so stupid! I had just switched my Q6600 system from Vista back to XP64 and ran the set-up on it. I was thinking the entire time that I had set it up on the i7. aaaahhhh!

I went to the guide this morning to follow the steps to run O&O and realized none of this has been done. I just went through everything and I'm now at the OO part. I had a whopping 57% defrag on this new drive! It's running the space defrag now.

After I complete all of this, I'll test FSX again.
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Reply #26 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 11:06am

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stevehookem wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 9:13am:
What do you use to OC the video card? I can't get EVGA Precision to stay locked to the settings.


The XFX GTX285 Black Edition is OC:ed by XFX. Previously I used RivaTuner to OC my 8800GTX. RivaTuner gives you the option to apply settings at startup of Windows. Very convenient.
 

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Ulf B wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 11:06am:
[quote author=stevehookem link=1235065120/15#22 date=1235225612] RivaTuner gives you the option to apply settings at startup of Windows. Very convenient.

so does EVGA Precision. that's what I use for my GTX260 and it's up to 670mhz from 576mhz
 
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SubZer0 wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 11:13am:
so does EVGA Precision. that's what I use for my GTX260 and it's up to 670mhz from 576mhz


That's nice  Smiley I just raised my OC from default 690 to 730MHz (memory from 1300 to 1330MHz). Still very low temps. I really love this i7 CPU and the GTX285  Smiley
 

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Reply #29 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 1:54pm

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stevehookem wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:54am:
A huge DUH to me.....

I used Nick's guide to set up FSX when I installed it on my system. However, I had forgotten to use his WinXP guide!! I can't believe I am so stupid! I had just switched my Q6600 system from Vista back to XP64 and ran the set-up on it. I was thinking the entire time that I had set it up on the i7. aaaahhhh!

I went to the guide this morning to follow the steps to run O&O and realized none of this has been done. I just went through everything and I'm now at the OO part. I had a whopping 57% defrag on this new drive! It's running the space defrag now.

After I complete all of this, I'll test FSX again.


Steve, I have been playing around with the slider settings and I changes my mesh complexity to 90, mesh res to 19, texture res to 60. I have scenery complexity to max and autogen at very dense, turned off cars and boats in UTX. I run Ultimate traffic and have also disabled the AI from activating the jetways. Almost forgot, TBM at 90.

With those settings I am getting very very nice perf even with airline traffic at 65 (using AIsmooth)

I find with my monitor the higher texture settings do nothing as far as improving the visuals so lowering it some helped to smooth things out even more. I went back and set teh AM to 7 which puts FSX on the 1st 3 cores. I then set AI Smooth and Flight Deck Companion to run on core 4. Just did a test from my hometown KATL (ImagineSim) using all the above settings at more or less stayed at 30 FPS very very smooth.

Well.... Put a fork in me Im running with this for now very happy. I am going to start a new post about the Affinity mask and see what others are doing.

Also the new released VC drivers are running good for me so far.

 

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Reply #30 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:11pm

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stevehookem wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:54am:
A huge DUH to me.....

I used Nick's guide to set up FSX when I installed it on my system. However, I had forgotten to use his WinXP guide!! I can't believe I am so stupid! I had just switched my Q6600 system from Vista back to XP64 and ran the set-up on it. I was thinking the entire time that I had set it up on the i7. aaaahhhh!

I went to the guide this morning to follow the steps to run O&O and realized none of this has been done. I just went through everything and I'm now at the OO part. I had a whopping 57% defrag on this new drive! It's running the space defrag now.

After I complete all of this, I'll test FSX again.



uh huh

I knew there was something out of whack with this..

I was not saying anything cuz people need to stop and think about what they are doing.. go through everything step by step and remember.. slamming a system with all sorts of addon airports and crap can also be a factor. The base install should be calibrated with texture and landclass replacements (GEX+UTX or what ever other addons like that) using the default aircraft and airports first... once you confirm everything then move to check addon airports and AC and you will need to defrag again after they are all installed

the idea is to verify and tune the base then see where you sit with the heavy hitting addons like payware planes and airports. If you were able to get set up with the default + base addons and its giving you grief with extras then the problem is the extras... if you are getting grief before then you either missed something, there is some type of install corruption or the driver are not working well for the system



another thing too.. moving to a new system means A CLEAN INSTALL ... ALL OF IT

every joker who ever tried to migrate a install to save time be it OS or FSX ends up with exactly what they deserve..   LOL




My FSX tune list is there for a reason.. reducing boats and ships against my suggestions is you taking on a change my tuning list did not say to do.. there is a reason why I said to set ships and boats to the specified levels for the hardware installed.

Things like that is where people get snookered.

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I second that about the less is better thinking as I have spent the better part of my day playing around with the Affinity Mask. I bounced back and forth with settings and thought I had a as good as is will get setting combination then....

I stopped following the AM tweek thread but then read about using 14. So I switched to 14 and now I can run MAX SCENERY and MAX Autogen  even with 8 cars using UTX with great results. Today I also edited the exit data in all my Ultimate Traffic AI so the jetways wont be activated. Also loaded up the new released drivers 182.06 and am having good luck with those. I got a message from Steve and he is still having the problem even after defragging. Steve, you said that you had the stutter problem on your old system as well so maybe it is one of those add ons. I would do as Nick has suggested and remove all your addons and see how she flys. When I set mine up I added them 1 at a time testing between each install to see the result. Doing it that way you will know exactly which one is the bad egg. I would bet that it is a addon issue.
 

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Reply #32 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 11:31am

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Steve, try setting your AA in nhancer to 4xS from 8xS. That may get rid of the stutters. Let me know how that looks.

Actually dont try the 4xS. When I did it hosed my nhancer and had bad grapic problems in fsx. Im reinstalling it now. Sorry.
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The xS setting is to get rid of shimmer and it does come with some cost in weather. Setting to Multisample 4x is fine.. even 8x but shimmers are what the xS setting is designed to get rid of
 
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Reply #34 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 8:10am

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Thanks to Jim we seem to be perfect now!

Bumping up the projector to a refresh rate of 85hz and locking the framerates at 28 has made all the difference. The entire image just became "smoother" immediately when the refresh was changed.

I did up the road traffic, ships and leisure boats. I thought that your guide said to lower these if you don't want them. It doesn't seem to hurt anything having them up to about 15% so I am leaving it set that way.
 

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My list said slower system should lower them... your system should have no issues set to 25

 
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Got it. Jim just sent me a note that removing the AF tweak upped his frames by 2 or so. I'm taking that out as well.

My TBM=90 and my Bufferpool=100000000. With the projector at 85hz, everything looks great!

Sitting on the ground in a Level D 767 at ORD, frames locked at 28. Takeoff run drops to 26-27, back to 28, back to 26 and so on but it is smooth as glass. Departing and tuning after takeoff is smooth now too.
 

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I figured you would get this worked out... nice to see you are enjoying things now Steve

betch'a dont want that Q66 back anymore, huh
 
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I've been having problems with bufferpools but I've only tried 70000000 and 80000000 none of which worked. but 100000000 made things unbelievably better... smooth as can be with autogen maxed out and some heavy weather, and I'm not even defragged yet (just did a full reinstall)
 
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Ulf B wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 1:20pm:
SubZer0 wrote on Feb 21st, 2009 at 11:13am:
so does EVGA Precision. that's what I use for my GTX260 and it's up to 670mhz from 576mhz


That's nice  Smiley I just raised my OC from default 690 to 730MHz (memory from 1300 to 1330MHz). Still very low temps. I really love this i7 CPU and the GTX285  Smiley


Do you need to adjust anything in BIOS that will help you o/c your VC or does your success all come down to the VC itself?
 

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Reply #40 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 12:26pm

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Just the card itself

You must make sure you do not overheat the core when doing so.
 
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Reply #41 - Feb 24th, 2009 at 12:44pm

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Thanks Nick, reason I asked is I did try a very modest increase using Riva Tuner from 650 MHz->675 MHz for the GPU and from 1242 MHz->1300 MHz for the memory but that resulted in my screen freezing after a couple of minutes and then it unfreezed again and all was back to normal with a message saying that the driver for my VC had stopped responding and been reset.

I'm using a XFX GTX285 card standard version. As for the temps I don't think that should be a problem since I'm using an AC aquagraFX waterblock.

Will see if I do some more experimenting with this, I doubt it will make much difference for FSX though if the VC runs @ 650 or 700 MHz or am I wrong?
 

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