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Famous crash 50 years ago (Read 2129 times)
Jan 29
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, 2009 at 3:56pm
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On February 2, 1959, an aircraft carrying Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper, and Ritchie Valens took off from the Mason City Airport during a snow storm and crashed 4 miles northwest in a corn field. I am hearing a lot about it lately, as I work at the Mason City Airport, and live just blocks away from the Surf Ballroom where they played what would be their final concert.
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Jan 29
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I remember seeing the headlines in the paper the following morning. I was a big fan of Buddy Holly & the Crickets & couldn't believe it. Strange how Buddy was more famous here in the UK than in his own country until after his tragic death.
I'm still a big fan of their music & last saw the original Crickets performing in my home town a couple of years ago. Absolutely brilliant!
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Jan 29
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That explains the number of Brits that have been coming into here this week. Buddy Holly was well before my time, but around here it is legend. Every year they have an annual winter dance like they did then, but this year is the 50th anniversary so its even bigger. Last night they inducted the Surf Ballroom into the Rock and Roll hall-of-fame, plus rumor has it we can expect some rock celebrities, of the British variety, to make appearances this weeknd
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Jan 29
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Indeed. He has a big following in this country including Paul McCartney who purchased the publishing rights to his music some years ago. He is also a personal friend of the Crickets & recorded their last album in his studio. He is quoted as saying that if it wasn't for the Crickets there would have been no Beatles.
Holly had split with the original Crickets (Jerry Allison & Joe B Maudlin) some time before going on that final tour. His new band included Waylon Jennings who gave up his seat on the doomed aircraft to the Big Bopper.
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Jan 29
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Hagar wrote
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Indeed. He has a big following in this country including
Paul McCartney
who purchased the publishing rights to his music some years ago. He is also a personal friend of the Crickets & recorded their last album in his studio. He is quoted as saying that if it wasn't for the Crickets there would have been no Beatles.
Holly had split with the original Crickets (Jerry Allison & Joe B Maudlin) some time before going on that final tour. His new band included Waylon Jennings who gave up his seat on the doomed aircraft to the Big Bopper.
One of the possible appearances for this years winter dance. Another rumor going around is that Jerry Dwyer, who owned the FBO and the aircraft that they chartered, is supposed to be writing a book about that night. He has always had his own idea of what happened on that flight, legend has it that he still has the aircraft. I know Jerry personally and have never seen the aircraft, but I do know he doesn't get rid of anything, including many aircraft on our airport that are permanent residents of our ramp.
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Jan 29
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DaveSims wrote
on Jan 29
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, 2009 at 4:42pm:
Hagar wrote
on Jan 29
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, 2009 at 4:36pm:
Indeed. He has a big following in this country including
Paul McCartney
who purchased the publishing rights to his music some years ago. He is also a personal friend of the Crickets & recorded their last album in his studio. He is quoted as saying that if it wasn't for the Crickets there would have been no Beatles.
Holly had split with the original Crickets (Jerry Allison & Joe B Maudlin) some time before going on that final tour. His new band included Waylon Jennings who gave up his seat on the doomed aircraft to the Big Bopper.
One of the possible appearances for this years winter dance.
Wouldn't surprise me if McCartney turns up. Be nice if Jerry Allison & Joe B can also attend. There was a lot of bad feeling when they were unceremoniously sacked all those years ago.
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Another rumor going around is that Jerry Dwyer, who owned the FBO and the aircraft that they chartered, is supposed to be writing a book about that night. He has always had his own idea of what happened on that flight, legend has it that he still has the aircraft. I know Jerry personally and have never seen the aircraft, but I do know he doesn't get rid of anything, including many aircraft on our airport that are permanent residents of our ramp.
Very interesting. I've seen Jerry Dwyer's name mentioned in reports on the crash. From the photos I've seen there wasn't a lot left of the aircraft. I would be surprised if he's still got it.
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Jan 29
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"American Pie" is a folk rock song by singer-songwriter Don McLean ...
The song is an abstract story of his life that starts with the deaths of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. Richardson (The Big Bopper) in a plane crash in 1959, and ends in 1970; in the song he called the plane crash "the day the music died ..."
Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?
Well, I know that you’re in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.
I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.
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WebbPA wrote
on Jan 29
th
, 2009 at 11:12pm:
American Pie
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"American Pie" is a folk rock song by singer-songwriter Don McLean ...
The song is an abstract story of his life that starts with the deaths of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and J. P. Richardson (The Big Bopper) in a plane crash in 1959, and ends in 1970; in the song he called the plane crash "the day the music died ..."
Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock ’n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?
Well, I know that you’re in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin’ in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.
I was a lonely teenage broncin’ buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.
You know, I never did figure out what that song was all about. I'm none the wiser after all these years.
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Jan 30
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Well The Crickets have landed so far. This weekend sounds like it will be a mad rush at the airport.
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Jan 30
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DaveSims wrote
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Well The Crickets have landed so far. This weekend sounds like it will be a mad rush at the airport.
Excellent! Any chance of photos?
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Jan 30
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Sorry, don't have my camera at work today. I didnt' know who they were until we asked the pilots after they left. Maybe Monday/Tuesday when everyone is leaving.
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Very sad. All three of them were such beloved icons, and so young and full of promise!!
A link to the CAB (now FAA) report:
http://www.buddyhollymemorabilia.com/bh/aircraft-investigation-report.html
There have been all sorts of strange theories about this tragedy (including something about a gun going off in the plane at some point), but it looks to me like a classic case of a pilot biting off more than he could chew. An interesting factor was his unfamiliarity with the newfangled (and kinda weird) Sperry gyro horizon... on top of the other serious flaws in his plan.
I also wonder if the plane was carrying some frost or even ice before takeoff... he probably never made it into the forecast icing conditions, but it was a nasty night.
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beaky wrote
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There have been all sorts of strange theories about this tragedy (including something about a gun going off in the plane at some point), but it looks to me like a classic case of a pilot biting off more than he could chew.
Odd how when someone famous is killed or disappears there's never a simple explanation as with us ordinary folk. The media love these conspiracy theories & the wilder they are the better. What possible reason would anyone in that aircraft have for waving a gun around so soon after take-off? Perhaps they found a gun in the wreckage. So what? Is not carrying handguns perfectly legal in the US? I don't know about the others but Buddy Holly was from Texas where I believe carrying a gun would be second nature & not even worth mentioning. If this had happened in the UK it might be different.
There was a very interesting tribute on BBC Radio 2 the other night. Lots of memories from family & friends who were there at the time. You can listen to it online from the Crying, Waiting, Hoping link here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/listen/
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Around here the crash has been attributed to an inexperience ,
NON INSTRUMENT RATED
pilot flying into limited visibility at night. He was also unfamilar with the Sperry type artificial horizon, which reads reverse of what other horizon indicators show.
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DaveSims wrote
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Around here the crash has been attributed to an inexperience ,
NON INSTRUMENT RATED
pilot flying into limited visibility at night. He was also unfamilar with the Sperry type artificial horizon, which reads reverse of what other horizon indicators show.
No, the new AOPA magazine goes into this crash in detail, and says that the pilot was IFR and commercial, had over 700 hours TT and almost 200 hours in type (a Bonanza V35). But you're right about the Sperry attitude indicator, which is what AOPA attributed as the main cause of the crash.
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