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Core i7 overclocking raise mult, BClock, or Both? (Read 4408 times)
Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:09am

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Greetings Folks,

I have my i7 chip running comfortably @ 4GHz, 30x133 with DDR3 1600.  My question is...is it worth it to experiment with higher bclocks/lower multipliers or just leave everything at 133MHz and keep the 30x mult.  For instance, run something like 28x140 or 27x150 or...?  I can run my memory stable @ >1720MHz if I want, but if there's nothing to be gained (especially in FSX) then I'll just keep the settings I have now.

Thanks,
Jim

 

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Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:21am

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Try it

you are not hurting anything as long as you are stable and remain in spec with voltages

i7 4Ghz clocking was best designed for DDR3 2000 however that memory is not available at this stage in the game

You purchased a 965 which gives you an advantage others do not have. The goal is the same in any clocking.. highest CPU speed, highest memory speed on the lowest memory timing stable and safe

learning what works and does not work comes with experience. Part of that has to do with 'try it and see'

If you do, or, do not observe a positive difference in FSX then you have learned something new

 
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Reply #2 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:50am

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That's actually what I wanted to hear (after..."yes!" Cheesy)

The fact that you didn't say no means there's a whole world to explore here.  I wanted a simple clock which is why I got the 965.   I know it's not a better clocker than the 940 in proper hands but it's more flexible.  My goal was always 4GHz stable & cool and I think I've reached that.  Now I get to play and dig around and see what happens. Cool

Even at 3.33GHz the sim ran as fast as, and much smoother than my Q9650 @ 4.1GHz. 

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Reply #3 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 5:18pm

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sounds like it is working correctly

ok, lets look at it from my perspective

you say 3.33GHz on i7 DDR3 ran the sim as good but smoother than 4.1Ghz DDR2

OK, not taking into account the 'smoother' part that means at 3.33GHz you are seeing a 24% increase in perf which is in line with the approx 35-40% you should see in a full clock


So it seems to me you runnin that system perfectly and I suspect you must be a happy camper about now...  

I know it cost being the extreme but dang it, there ain't nuthin like the 'good stuff' when you are running FSX


and by the way.. those idiots on websites that post the 965 can be matched by the 920 are just that...   cheap bastards who dont know their a$$ from a hole in the ground and are there to intrigue the 'budget' user to read and listen..


they look at the GHz speed and say  "Ohhhhhh goodness... that 965 is such a ripoff"!


I love it

there are more 'wannabe' engineers on tech sites than real techs. Most of them belong at ... behind the 'geek-squad counter.


The internet tech sites are nothing but one big infomercial eventually people will realize the internet (baring educational systems which most are on internet II now anyway)
is just a big TV world with ALL commercials, ALL the time


ROFL!!


Really glad you went that route too... you be set for a loooooong time now. You can upgrade the memory as it is released and get even more outta that puppy





 
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Reply #4 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 5:58pm

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By the way... I'm done over at AVSIM hardware

Although I will post in the FSX forum when someone may need assistance I have really had enough of the hardware and OS experts over there for one lifetime






 
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Reply #5 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:55pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 5:58pm:
By the way... I'm done over at AVSIM hardware

Although I will post in the FSX forum when someone may need assistance I have really had enough of the hardware and OS experts over there for one lifetime




What experts? I don’t think you’re going to find many hardware/OS “experts” in any “sim” forum period, the closest to that you’re going to get is in a real hardware forum.

I’ve noticed in this forum that most people refuse to do any research on their own and just take the advice of a select few and go with it without question.

Sorry to hear that you “done” over at AVSIM, if your experience disputes someone else’s claims I think you should respond.  
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 1:57am

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I really have to bite my fingers before responding over there.  I'm getting so sick of a certain "expert" trying to convince people that fast memory has no positive effect on FSX and that "uberclocking" is pointless. 

I have to stay away from there or I'll let myself get carried away on some endless stupid argument over how I have to prove my new hardware made my framerates go up! Roll Eyes





 

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Reply #7 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 5:56am

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NickN wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 5:58pm:
By the way... I'm done over at AVSIM hardware

Although I will post in the FSX forum when someone may need assistance I have really had enough of the hardware and OS experts over there for one lifetime









Nick,

It's getting really hard to track you down. Have been following your advice very quietly for years and it has made a world of difference in my simming. It seems to me that "we" , the tech challenged of MSFS, need to find someplace for you to hang out without the interferance of that "windy" expert that comes barging in with his comments and pronouncements. (Back in the pre-web days, it was said that the only thing you had to do to become an expert was to drive 35 miles away from home. Now with the web, you can just sit in your easy chair and be an expert.)

So how about setting up shop in a separate forum on GEX. It certainly would bring traffic to that website; give it a little free "advertising". And the location would get out very fast with e-mail and link swapping. You could ban, can, or lock out that idiot.

And we would know where to find you..................... Shocked Shocked

Kingfish
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:12am

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djt wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:55pm:
 

I don’t think you’re going to find many hardware/OS “experts” in any “sim” forum period, the closest to that you’re going to get is in a real hardware forum



Yes, like my more regular hangouts such as the engineering departments at several universities, the members area at JEDEC, Boeing research and development, Redmond/Microsoft engineering groups, ....  silly places like that.



djt wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:55pm:
 
I’ve noticed in this forum that most people refuse to do any research on their own and just take the advice of a select few and go with it without question.


Because they respect a real expert perhaps?

I encourage people to research on their own and no one here has ever seen me state something without making sure what I stated is correct, and, if I may question my own knowledge I make contact with experts who do have the information

If I make a mistake I am the first one to admit and correct it.

and there goes that mouth again.. you are assuming you know what people are doing here by looking at a forum post.. .sort of like your powers of observation around operating system features ..


what model of crystal ball do you use? I would like to get one!


djt wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:55pm:
Sorry to hear that you “done” over at AVSIM, if your experience disputes someone else’s claims I think you should respond.  


Unfortunately you are not all ears, you are all mouth. You lost the opportunity to get a response from an experienced expert when you decided to challenge with a smart mouth instead of ask.

I think you and Sam are much better suited for that job. I hope the best for your mutual admiration society.
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:28am

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kingfish42 wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 5:56am:
NickN wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 5:58pm:
By the way... I'm done over at AVSIM hardware

Although I will post in the FSX forum when someone may need assistance I have really had enough of the hardware and OS experts over there for one lifetime









Nick,

It's getting really hard to track you down. Have been following your advice very quietly for years and it has made a world of difference in my simming. It seems to me that "we" , the tech challenged of MSFS, need to find someplace for you to hang out without the interferance of that "windy" expert that comes barging in with his comments and pronouncements. (Back in the pre-web days, it was said that the only thing you had to do to become an expert was to drive 35 miles away from home. Now with the web, you can just sit in your easy chair and be an expert.)

So how about setting up shop in a separate forum on GEX. It certainly would bring traffic to that website; give it a little free "advertising". And the location would get out very fast with e-mail and link swapping. You could ban, can, or lock out that idiot.

And we would know where to find you..................... Shocked Shocked

Kingfish



See this post: http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=29041

you may visit me in the GEX forum at anytime

http://www.simforums.com/forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=38


Im not looking for traffic or sales gimmicks. I do what I do because I enjoy it and not because of any compensation. I have never been paid a dime for anything related to MSFS to date.



 
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Reply #10 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:40am

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On a more positive note,

Got the Corsairs to run 7-8-7-20 and 1N, memtest for over 8 hours stable.  I love this memory!  The chip passed over 6 hr P95 @ 4GHz, 1.37 vcore.  No errors before I stopped the test to get online. 

When flying it is simply stunning what clarity and detail comes out, even at distances far from the plane.  It's so good it's hard to exit the sim and get back to the "real" world!

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Reply #11 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:06am

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raptorx wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:40am:
On a more positive note,

Got the Corsairs to run 7-8-7-20 and 1N, memtest for over 8 hours stable.  I love this memory!  The chip passed over 6 hr P95 @ 4GHz, 1.37 vcore.  No errors before I stopped the test to get online.  

When flying it is simply stunning what clarity and detail comes out, even at distances far from the plane.  It's so good it's hard to exit the sim and get back to the "real" world!

-Jim




I will post when they finally get OCCT and RealTemp/CoreTemp in line with i7


Most of what you are seeing is not from the CPU 'core' changes, its from the changes in communication paths between the CPU and the memory subsystem. There were innovations in the processor itself however most of those MSFS really does not take advantage of

If there was any solid proof the clocking I post about with memory speed/timing/latency works with FSX, i7 is the best scientific example of it.

The next iteration of Nehalem is where the CPU changes will kick in for FSX
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:01pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:12am:
[quote author=djt link=1231258145/0#5 date=1231300538]  

and there goes that mouth again.. you are assuming you know what people are doing here by looking at a forum post.. .sort of like your powers of observation around operating system features ..




Was it not you who admitted that you don’t use or have experience with Vista over at AVSIM when questions about the operating system came up?



NickN wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:12am:
[quote author=djt link=1231258145/0#5 date=1231300538]  
Unfortunately you are not all ears, you are all mouth. You lost the opportunity to get a response from an experienced expert when you decided to challenge with a smart mouth instead of ask.
I think you and Sam are much better suited for that job. I hope the best for your mutual admiration society.



I don’t agree with Sam very often either but while we’re on the subject of smart mouth’s you seemed to have pretty good one at AVSIM a few months back, but that’s you so it’s OK right?  

Oh, I forgot that I shouldn’t challenge the opinion’s of the great Nick N. Don’t worry Nick I wasn’t trying to knock you down from king of chit pile status.
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:34pm

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Quote:
I don’t agree with Sam very often either but while we’re on the subject of smart mouth’s you seemed to have pretty good one at AVSIM a few months back, but that’s you so it’s OK right?  

Oh, I forgot that I shouldn’t challenge the opinion’s of the great Nick N. Don’t worry Nick I wasn’t trying to knock you down from king of chit pile status.



You are darn toot’in skippy..

see, I know what I am taking about when I post and although I do pass off Vista questions quite often I do understand and know the OS very well.

What? Did you see what I said in the past around Vista as an opportunity to post the way you did?

Sure sounds like it with what you posted above

I don’t give a rats a$$ what you or anyone else thinks about what I did at AVSIM! I was insulted and chastised by that person and in the process he attempted to discredit me, over and over again.. not just once

That has nothing to do with being 'king chit' you smart mouth little boy.. that has to do with
common courtesy, respect and manors


and I will do it again if someone decides they wish to try and discredit or harrass me using slick moves

He got exactly what was coming to him


and by the way.. I dont agree with you very often however when you shoot off your mouth I will not ignore it and will address it as it should be addressed as I would address any smart mouth student who attempted that crap in my lectures

there is a huge difference between asking a question/having an opinion about something technical and stating something technical as a fact with a smart attitude to the people around who are better experienced


all you had to do is ask 'why' and I would have been glad to respond

you chose to be a 'know-it-all' instead


Instead of demading I answer you because you are 'all-ears' now, I suggest you may wish to
shove-it

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Reply #14 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 1:44pm

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NickN wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:34pm:
[quote]

He got exactly what was coming to him


I’m not disagreeing with you there, he did.


NickN wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 12:34pm:
[quote]

and by the way.. I dont agree with you very often however when you shoot off your mouth I will not ignore it and will address it as it should be addressed as I would address any smart mouth student who attempted that crap in my lectures

there is a huge difference between asking a question/having an opinion about something technical and stating something technical as a fact with a smart attitude to the people around who are better experienced




When I asked for the explanation over at AVSIM I was not being facetious, I honestly was interested in your response.
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