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Reply #15 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 12:18pm

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Is this the memory in use?

OCZ3G1600LV6GK

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365


If so your timing is too high which means the memory is running too slow

8-8-8-24  @ 1.65V

I would set it for 2T first.. establish the clock/stability and then try 1T and verify the stability

and yes, please use the OCZ forum and ask about clocking this product. I do not use it and can not advise without researching it myself and unfortunately I do not have time right now

OCZ is great about assistance in setting up a proper clock on their product

I would think 1.35v QPI/DRAM and a 1.65v DRAM would be correct with a 1.32-1.4v Vcore (lower is better) however they may suggest a higher QPI

To be quite honest... many time you DO NOT need to change anything off of AUTO other than the memory timing/speed, DRAM Voltage and Vcore and just work Bclock leaving everything else on AUTO but that can vary

Post over at OCZ and see what they have to say




 
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Reply #16 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 12:37pm

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ok thanks Nick.  I am just starting with this overclocking stuff and learning as I go.  I had not played with the timings of the memory initially, may be this is why it was not stable at 4ghz.  I just tried to follow the bit-tech article and replicate what they did.

Are you saying I should target timings of 8-8-8 24 at 1.65v for 1600mhz ?

My RAM is not the Gold kit, it is the platinum kit OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum Low-Voltage Triple Channel.  On their website, they mention CL 7-7-7-24
(CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS)
[/http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr3_pc3_12800_platinum_low_vol...
I haven't explored that section of the BIOS yet.  When you mention 1T, are you talking about the Timing mode section of the BIOS.  If so, in mine it talks about 1N, 2N and 3N.  Is this the same ?
 

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Reply #17 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 1:02pm

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I am saying those are the correct timings and voltages if you are using the memory I posted.. yes

and if 1.66v DRAM voltage is stable over 1.65.. thats OK just no higher
 
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Reply #18 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 3:49pm

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I just wanted to give you some info I got my 940 running at 4ghz and realtemp is 52 celcius without touching the voltages at all  4ghz should be no problem and you wont even have to mess with the voltages..    good luck partner if you have any more questions just let me know btw I will post a pic for you so you can see my settings

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Reply #19 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 4:04pm

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fvjuke wrote on Jan 2nd, 2009 at 12:37pm:
ok thanks Nick.  I am just starting with this overclocking stuff and learning as I go.  I had not played with the timings of the memory initially, may be this is why it was not stable at 4ghz.  I just tried to follow the bit-tech article and replicate what they did.

Are you saying I should target timings of 8-8-8 24 at 1.65v for 1600mhz ?

My RAM is not the Gold kit, it is the platinum kit OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum Low-Voltage Triple Channel.  On their website, they mention CL 7-7-7-24
(CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS)
/http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr3_pc3_12800_platinum_low_vol...
I haven't explored that section of the BIOS yet.  When you mention 1T, are you talking about the Timing mode section of the BIOS.  If so, in mine it talks about 1N, 2N and 3N.  Is this the same ?



If its that 3x1GB product then it should be 7-7-7-24

its only 3GB instead of 6.. the 6GB modules would be 8-8-8
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 4:08pm

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nomadpro wrote on Jan 2nd, 2009 at 3:49pm:
I just wanted to give you some info I got my 940 running at 4ghz and realtemp is 52 celcius without touching the voltages at all but unlike you I have some really good air cooling thermal 120 ultra so if you get some decent cooling 4ghz should be no problem and you wont even have to mess with the voltages..    good luck partner if you have any more questions just let me know btw I will post a pic for you so you can see my settings

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Unless you have the NEW version of REALTEMP with Bloomfield support Realtemp will not display the correct temp of the processor

Make sure your version supports Bloomfield.. the last one I saw was a beta posted in the extremesystems forums however I have not visited the realtemp official page lately


Your CPU is running 1.41v which is just about right for 4GHz

As I had mentioned above it is possible depending on the board and the BIOS the only thing that needs to be changed is BCLOCK

Some boards will set everything else up automatically and others will not

Regardless the CPU TM functions should still be shut down

 
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Reply #21 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:59pm

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fvjuke wrote on Jan 2nd, 2009 at 12:37pm:
ok thanks Nick.  I am just starting with this overclocking stuff and learning as I go.  I had not played with the timings of the memory initially, may be this is why it was not stable at 4ghz.  I just tried to follow the bit-tech article and replicate what they did.

Are you saying I should target timings of 8-8-8 24 at 1.65v for 1600mhz ?

My RAM is not the Gold kit, it is the platinum kit OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum Low-Voltage Triple Channel.  On their website, they mention CL 7-7-7-24
(CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS)
[/http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr3_pc3_12800_platinum_low_vol...
I haven't explored that section of the BIOS yet.  When you mention 1T, are you talking about the Timing mode section of the BIOS.  If so, in mine it talks about 1N, 2N and 3N.  Is this the same ?


What BIOS version do you run? I noticed that the latest revision, 1102, should "Improve Memory compatibility".


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Reply #22 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 8:51pm

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Ulf B wrote on Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:59pm:
fvjuke wrote on Jan 2nd, 2009 at 12:37pm:
ok thanks Nick.  I am just starting with this overclocking stuff and learning as I go.  I had not played with the timings of the memory initially, may be this is why it was not stable at 4ghz.  I just tried to follow the bit-tech article and replicate what they did.

Are you saying I should target timings of 8-8-8 24 at 1.65v for 1600mhz ?

My RAM is not the Gold kit, it is the platinum kit OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum Low-Voltage Triple Channel.  On their website, they mention CL 7-7-7-24
(CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS)
[/http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_ddr3_pc3_12800_platinum_low_vol...
I haven't explored that section of the BIOS yet.  When you mention 1T, are you talking about the Timing mode section of the BIOS.  If so, in mine it talks about 1N, 2N and 3N.  Is this the same ?


What BIOS version do you run? I noticed that the latest revision, 1102, should "Improve Memory compatibility".


Ulf B


May I join in and ask the same question?  I was going to flash to 1102 as well, I haven't heard of any bad reports yet.
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Reply #23 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:11am

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Any updates on the latest version of the bios?

I am having all sorts of issues with just anout the same gear......
my stuff idles 48c and I am blowing 80c under the latest OCCT within a few minutes. And can someone tell me where in the bios is "turbo"? I have been searching for it to disable..but no joy.
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Reply #24 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 5:34am

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dvpro wrote on Jan 21st, 2009 at 3:11am:
Any updates on the latest version of the bios?

I am having all sorts of issues with just anout the same gear......
my stuff idles 48c and I am blowing 80c under the latest OCCT within a few minutes. And can someone tell me where in the bios is "turbo"? I have been searching for it to disable..but no joy.
thx


Latest BIOS version is 1102 and I flashed it on the first boot, prior to installing Vista and installing the latest chipset drivers.

Here is an article on overklocking the i7 920, which might be helpful.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2008/11/06/overclocking-intel-core-i7-920/...

You may set the CPU ratio to 22 in BIOS for the 940.
I'm still using the stock cooler, but during the weekend I'll install a Zalman CNPS9500 AT cpu fan and hopefully I'll be able to reach 4GHz.

At what CPU speed do you reach those temps? Disable hyperthreading in BIOS, if you don't use programs that use it (FSX doesn't) - it will lower the temps a bit.
 

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Reply #25 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 10:15pm

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Can you please look over where I'm at with this?
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I have all the bios settings written down:

Under Manual in AI Tweaker:
CPU Ratio:22
BCLK:180
PCIE:100
DRAM:1443
UCLK:Auto
QPI Link Data Rate: AUTO

All Auto down to DRAM BUSS VOLTAGE: 1.66
The rest Auto.

Dram 1st 4:
8
8
8
24

This was the same as before but now it reads 1T versus 2t in my other post.

Under Advanced:
Freq: 3.98
Bclk: 181 Mhz

Cache L1: 128 kb
Cache L2: 1024 kb
Cache L3 8192 kb

Ratio Actual value: 22
CPUID: 106A4

CPU Ratio Setting: 22
C1E: Disabled
Hardware Prefetcher: Enabled
Adjacent cache line prefetcher: Enabled
Intel  Virt Tech:Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
HT: Disabled
Active Processors: Enabled
A20m: Disabled
C State: Disabled

That's all the bios settings in mine. I have seen other items from other posts but not on my mobo...maybe a different flash or the Palm version? I dunno.

This setup is just under 4 gigs, and can't pass more than a few minutes of OCCT load test.

Turbo V has now been disables from the startup. I was under the assumpion that was in the bios...hence my other post....learning as I go, but it is finally starting to make sense.

Note: At out of the box speeds I was idling at = +50c

I pulled the 120 Thermalrite and followed your description on the thin coat of thermal paste (artic freeze) I didn't have the balls to shand down the processor lid....thought about it...too small.

After resetting the heat sink...temp at idle dropped to 40c. Clocked up to 3.96 I sit around 50c but not able to get past the load test. Sink is seated nice and tight....fan spins the right direction!! With the numbers I posted is this a thermal issue? This case is a mini climate center.
Thx

Your guidence on a stable 4 gigs is appreciated
 

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Reply #26 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 10:21pm

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QPI/DRAM VOLTAGE 1.35v

DRAM VOLTAGE: 1.65 or 1.66v

you have temp problem.. LOAD LINE CALIBRATION: ENABLED and work Vcore to the lowest point where it is stable with the QPI/DRAM voltage I listed above

Somewhere between 1.34 and 1.40v

If you can not get it to run stable at 80c or less your cooling solution is not doing the job.. either alignment or not flat


Also, ambient temp where you are will effect the high end.. if its warm it will be harder to keep it 80c and under
 
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Reply #27 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:35am

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[quote author=NickN link=1229353222/15#26 date=1232680899]QPI/DRAM VOLTAGE 1.35v
done


DRAM VOLTAGE: 1.65 or 1.66v
Would keep putting it back to 1.66 when I attempted to change to 1.65


you have temp problem.. LOAD LINE CALIBRATION: ENABLED
Done

and work Vcore to the lowest point where it is stable with the QPI/DRAM voltage I listed above

Somewhere between 1.34 and 1.40v
I set it to 1.3812...but I guess I don't know what stable means. Should I raise it...than load test, or lower it than test?


If you can not get it to run stable at 80c or less your cooling solution is not doing the job.. either alignment or not flat  
eeerrr... I did a few tests...apparently the fan was on backwards. I followed the terrible crappy photo copy instructions that came with the HS. The case fans are blowing out and the HS fan was blowing in...therefor not much air was flowing over the sink. I replaced it (not how the picture shows) and with the settings you had me do...I passed. see the results. Note, at the same clock, I couldn't get that load test for more than a few minutes


Also, ambient temp where you are will effect the high end.. if its warm it will be harder to keep it 80c and under
Room temp is about 68F.[/
quote]

Have a look at this:
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As you can see...I barley made it, but why the big difference in core temps between Real Temp and OCCT? Which one is accurate? It was like that the entire load test. It seems like I am just barley able to make 4 gigs...Was kinda hopin for 4.2
Do you see anything wrong?
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Reply #28 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:42am
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You're running at 1T, not 2T. The CPU-Z 'timing table' is something else.

REAL TEMP has the correct temperature, OCCT is reporting 5 degrees cooler, as it assumes the maximum temperature is 95 degrees, not 100 degrees, as Nick stated in another thread.  Wink
 
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Reply #29 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 11:40am

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Hi,

Intresting article from AnandTech about the difference between different batches of Core i7 920 processors regarding overclocking potential: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3502

My own newbie experience with overclocking 940 on a P6T Deluxe board is that it was very easy getting the cpu up to 3.8 GHz with a VCore voltage at 1.27. My cooler is small and not that efficient (Zalman CNPS9500 AT) but the temps stay under 82C running OCCT v2.0.1. The temp readings match Real Temp 2.90 with TjMax set to 100). To be able to reach 3.9 GHz I had to raise the VCore voltage pretty much (don't remember the exact figures but it was close to 1.35V) to get it stable, but the temp increased too much.

At the 3.8 OC I run my OCZ 1600 3x2GB sticks at  1520MHz 7-7-7-24 T1. Multiplier at 20 and BCLK at 190. Very good benchmarks with SiSoftware Sandra Lite  Cool
 

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