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Nov 15
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, 2008 at 6:57pm
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Got a fast plane and want an interesting way to use it?
I am proposing a race, JFK to LAX. Any plane you wish real or fictional.
You are responsible for your route.
I only suggest one very important rule to keep it interesting and fair:
No unlimited fuel. This would mean some fast fighters could hold their own against the likes of the SR-71,X-15. and XB-70.
Fuel effeciency will be just as important as overall speed.
Fuel stops will be allowed if you need them. A lot of aircraft won't need to refuel at all.
Determining winner can be done in a couple of ways.
A. We can do it Cannonball run style, where best time wins.
OR
B.Everyone take off, get to a predetermined altitude and location and first one there wins. (I think this way would be more fun!)
The event would be held on a Saturday so as many people as possible can make it. Time of day will be determined to make it easier for people of all time zones to participate.
Please let me know if you're interested. I have completed this trip myself in under an hour in several aircraft, so it shouldn't take too long.
Hope to see some participation on this one to give the old simviation server a workout!
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Nov 16
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Nov 16
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Chicago to Los Angeles following Route 66 takes would take long enough on my Super-Bike...
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Doing the similar route in my trusty Cessna 150 Aerobat form JFK to KLAX. will take much too long, I'm afraid...
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The flight from KSFO to KLAX following Highway 5, or Highway 101, is plenty long enough for me to be sat in my Trusty Beech Baron!...
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Nov 16
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I can sense a lot of people using time shift.....
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Nov 16
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Mictheslik wrote
on Nov 16
th
, 2008 at 7:48am:
I can sense a lot of people using time shift.....
.mic
LOL...
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...any mention of a "Long Haul Flight" fills me with dread!...
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...all those screaming Kids kicking the back of my seat, and insisting on driving the bleedin' Aeroplane!...
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Nah!...
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F....a low and slow, SOLO flight, in a Cessna 150....
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Nov 16
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I had thought about the time shift thing and slew also. But I have done this route in just about every fast plane out there, So I am fairly certain I know what the minimum time to complete is. Also I could have my laptop running with the server's GPS map up to make sure.
It would be obvious if someone was just cruising along the map while the rest of us were still a couple of states behind.
The whole point of this is just to have some fun. I think a prop based race would be kinda neat too. Each weekend start a new state, award points formula 1 style. Just looking for ways to utilize this awsome server we have here.
It is so nice to be able to fly online without the fear of being booted off suddenly.
Last night I did find an aircraft that completed this trip in 15minutes!
No joke! So the whole fictional aircraft thing might have to be rethought.
So with at least 1 vote of enthusiasm, I can have hope that we can pull this off. It would be great to have a bunch of us from the forums flying together having some fun with something we all share in common and enjoy so much.
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Nov 16
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ShaneG wrote
on Nov 16
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, 2008 at 10:19am:
I had thought about the time shift thing
Last night I did find an aircraft that completed this trip in -5 minutes!
No joke! So the whole fictional aircraft thing might have to be rethought.
.....Millennium Falcon?....
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Han Solo...
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Nov 16
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Fozzer wrote
on Nov 16
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, 2008 at 10:33am:
ShaneG wrote
on Nov 16
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, 2008 at 10:19am:
I had thought about the time shift thing
Last night I did find an aircraft that completed this trip in -5 minutes!
No joke! So the whole fictional aircraft thing might have to be rethought.
.....Millennium Falcon?....
.... ;...!
Han Solo...
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Paul, you could always pimp out your beech baron with an extra 400,000 lb's of thrust.
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Nov 16
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How did that become 5 minutes?
No it was the futurama spacecraft. 99,999ft at full speed! It said the trip would take 35minutes but my timepiece said differently.
Just tried it online again with the MIG-25, took three fuel stops. That thing is a gas hog! The hummer of the skies!
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Nov 16
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ShaneG wrote
on Nov 16
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, 2008 at 11:47am:
How did that become 5 minutes?
No it was the futurama spacecraft. 99,999ft at full speed! It said the trip would take 35minutes but my timepiece said differently.
Just tried it online again with the MIG-25, took three fuel stops. That thing is a gas hog! The hummer of the skies!
Nah...
..it was -5 Minutes
(minus five minutes)
in the Millenium Falcon...
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Han Duet....
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AMDDDA wrote
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Paul, you could always pimp out your beech baron with an extra 400,000 lb's of thrust.
And how many extra pounds of thrust would rip the baron's wings off?
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BFMF wrote
on Nov 16
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AMDDDA wrote
on Nov 16
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Paul, you could always pimp out your beech baron with an extra 400,000 lb's of thrust.
And how many extra pounds of thrust would rip the baron's wings off?
They wouldn't rip off if Paul braught Chuck Norris on board, Chuck would break the extra thrust off the baron's wings
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AMDDDA wrote
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BFMF wrote
on Nov 16
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, 2008 at 8:01pm:
AMDDDA wrote
on Nov 16
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, 2008 at 11:09am:
Paul, you could always pimp out your beech baron with an extra 400,000 lb's of thrust.
And how many extra pounds of thrust would rip the baron's wings off?
They wouldn't rip off if Paul braught Chuck Norris on board, Chuck would break the extra thrust off the baron's wings
Time for you to fit your baron with some rocket fuel and Chuck Norris.
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Nov 17
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I'm interested, if the time difference doesn't kill it for me.
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Nov 17
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Count me in!!! Now time to go hunt for the perfect aircraft...
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Nov 17
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Interested, but it really depends on the date and time for me.
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Nov 17
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Great to see the interest in this.
I am open to what times are best for everyone. Saturday or Sunday would probably be best, but I wouldn't be against a weekday. Personally I'm available for this at any time of the day or night. I imagine a little later would be best for those in each hemisphere.
So for those interested so far, if you could post what you feel is a good time for you, we can start to get this thing a little more organized and ready to fly.
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Nov 17
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count me in I have an ace up my sleeve
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Nov 17
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Any day/time works for me other then friday from 5-7 and thursday 3-7. My time zone is eastern or -5 GMT.
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Saturdays work best for me, with any time range being available unless it is very late in the evening.
I'm in the US Eastern Timezone.
Tuesday evenings may also work, but that depends on what is going on as far as homework goes for my college classes during that specific week.
Beyond that, I'm sure many of us will be free in the days around Thanksgiving and/or Christmas, so you may want to consider that as well.
Finally, I would really focus on specifying the aircraft requirements, since this could be really lopsided depending on what people find and use.
You may also want to establish weather standards as well.
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Nov 17
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A lot of us in the eastern time zone! That's going to make things a little easier. Now to just get something in line with our UK buddies. I was thinking of a time somewhere between 5pm-8pm, I don't want to go past 8pm if I don't have to, that way I won't miss out on a1's tours if we do this on a Saturday.
Are you bringing a rocket powered Cessna Waspi?
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I think the aircrafts should be limited to props manufactured before 1965...
Extra points for WW1 biplanes....
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BFMF wrote
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I think the aircrafts should be limited to props manufactured before 1965...
Extra points for WW1 biplanes....
I would definately be up for that, but I don't think that anyone has the kind of free time that I do to devote to that idea.
But if they do, I'm game!
Multiplayer is so much better than cold. heartless AI to fly with.(or against!
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I think a prop and/or turboprop version would be great, but you would probably need to break the trip up into segments. (such as, fly from A to B on this weekend, then B to C on the next weekend, and so on. Maybe make each trip 200 or 300 miles.)
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I'm afraid that if it is in the form of a
speed contest/Cannonball Run
, then obviously the Pilot with the fastest Aeroplane is most likely to win!...
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...my usual, Touring, General Aviation, Piston Props would never stand a chance!...
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There would have to be another way of arranging the flight(s) into separate groups/types of aircraft?
It would have to be a short, 1 to 2 Hours duration, Hop from A to B each Weekend to complete the journey.
From past experience, I find that most Sim Pilots get bored after a short while, and either leave to watch the Dreaded Football, etc, on the 'Tele, or fool about, and annoy others with various Aerobatic, etc, stunts, (and then go off to watch the Dreaded Football, etc, on the 'Tele)....
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The usual type of our pre-arranged, shortish, Weekend Tours, from A to B, over the total distance, works very well, and suits most enthusiastic Multiplayer Simmers...
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...so...there you go...
Either a Race, from start to finish?...
...or a Tour from Start to Finish?...
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Fozzer wrote
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I'm afraid that if it is in the form of a
speed contest/Cannonball Run
, then obviously the Pilot with the fastest Aeroplane is most likely to win!...
...
I had thought about that, and that's where the fuel consumption was hopefully going to come into play. That, and for the cross country trip, I kinda figured that only around 5-7 types were gonna show up anyway, I've done this route in what I feel are the fastest available aircraft, and all are within a few knots of eachother in terms of speed, but some drink the petrol alot quicker than others. After all, there is only so fast that you can go in the sim. Once this terminal speed is reached, it's all down to route and fuel consumption. That I feel is where the real challenge will lie!
For the shorter prop-based hops, I like esselbachs idea about limiting aircraft to a certain time period. That would keep things close, as would navigation. Make them mountain valley runs keeping under certain altitudes with time penaltys! There are plenty of various racing props out there, most designed to originally compete with eachother.
But now it's trying to evolve into something serious, I was just looking for something fast and fun with the cross country trip, and since it can be done in under an hour, I figured it would work.
It would really take an extreme amount of dedication and organization to do the slower prop runs, while I think it would be great fun, and something to fill the awful gap left by racing's off season, I agree with you that interest would probably wane rather quickly.
In the end, I guess I'll just keep flying online hoping to see others jump on and join in the fun.
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...I like your enthusiasm for our Sim V Multiplayer activities, Shane!...
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...see what you can come up with...
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It often involves a lot of very careful, pre-planning, as proved by our regular, expert, very successful, Multiplayer organisers!
Out of all the various other Multiplayer Sites I daily visit, Sim V is one of the the most popular Servers, and mostly guaranteed to come across a similar enthusiast at most times of the day!
So, there you go...
If it looks interesting, and is manageable, on both sides of the Pond, at times to suit both, (and not conflict with existing events), then it is always good-to-go, and keeps Sam's Server alive!...
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You mean there are other servers that do this too?
This is the only one I've used (not counting the bad experience on gamespy with FSX)
I really like the simplicity of the way things work here for the online activities, just a couple of clicks away from happiness.
No need to run a dozen other programs to get flying.(not that it may be that way at other sites) I guess I just like the familiarity of having the SimV enviroment online.
As for organizing, lord knows I've got plenty of free time to get it right!
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With regards to speed differences, why not divide the competitors into classes depending on the performance of the chosen aircraft, Le Mans style?
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Sakura wrote
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With regards to speed differences, why not divide the competitors into classes depending on the performance of the chosen aircraft, Le Mans style?
That's a great idea!
Even fozzer could get in on this!
Speed Classes
P1: Mach 3 or better
1.SR-71
2.XB-70
3.X-15
4.Mig-31 Firefox
5.Tu-360
6.Space Shuttle
7.Mig-25
GT1: Mach 2-3
1.Concorde
2.Tu-144
3.Tu-160
4.Tu-22
5.B-1
6.B-58
7.Su-47
GT2: Mach 1-2
1.Su-27
2.F-14
3.F-15
4.F-16
5.F-18
6.Mig-29
7.All mirages
GT3- Fozzer's Baron 58
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...you forgot my Cessna 150 Aerobat!...
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this sounds like fun. im in
but im not sure if the simviation server shows up on the list for acceleration users?
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Mike74722 wrote
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this sounds like fun. im in
but im not sure if the simviation server shows up on the list for acceleration users?
I don't think it does either, but in this thread here it should explain what you need to do to join in using FSX.
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1148901173
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Sounds like a blast, but there are some handicaps as mentioned before...everyone would just figure out what plane is fastest and fuel efficient and fly it open throttle...maybe if you designate a bird it would level off the competition a bit, such as a high speed prop (example, Hughes 500, who has the perfect prop pitch/mixture to run the bird at max efficiency?)
Just my two cents, I'll check back and if it looks like a fair fight I'm in!!
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I presume AA refueling is a big tabuu then?
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That can be done in MSFS?!
I was not aware of that! Sure, if you tell me how to do it!
As an update: it will probably be best to post what aircraft you're gonna use, and use something freeware, that way there are none of the conflicts while in multi. I would hate to watch a mach3 Cessna kicking my butt all the way across the country.
OR.....
A suggestion has been made to limit to some specific types since those will probably be the ones showing up anyway.
These planes here achieve the max speed but differ on fuel consumption. I have tested each on a couple of different routes and they all are within a few minutes of each other in travel time.
Altitude seems to play a big factor in speed,fuel useage, and travel time. So this should work nicely if everyone is up to using just these.
All are available here.
1.SR-71(alpha freeware with Chicilo update)
2.XB-70(with the update)
3.X-15
4.Mig-31 Firefox(with the latest update)
There may be others so don't hold this as a 'this or nothing' type of list.
Just remember that everyone has to be able to get it for free to make it fair and fun for all.
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Depending on when it was held and the time etc i'd certainly be up for this.
How about using the actual firefox though?
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Depending on when it was held and the time etc i'd certainly be up for this.
How about using the actual firefox though?
The one I listed is the Clint Eastwood movie one, for some reason it's listed as the Mig-31 so I included that part of the title just in case.
I would be disappointed if that didn't show up!
It's looking like this Saturday around 18:00-19:00 GMT+0 for a start time, that should be early enough for the UK folks and prime time for the US folks and shouldn't conflict with anyone planning to participate in a1's Swiss tour. I'll give this post a couple of days to gather opinions on the start time and then post an official thread for it on Wed. this week.
The real Mig-31 is called the foxhound and is a close twin to the Mig-25 Foxbat for those that wondered.
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Cool. AAR can be done in MSFS, but you need a third party app for it. The only one I can think of is Abacus' Arrestor Cables. So it's probably an unfair advantage.
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