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Nov 9th, 2008 at 11:06am

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Greetings all!

My present machine (Abit NF7/Athlon 2600/ATI9600/XP) is dying from some hardware disease or the other, and it is time for an upgrade. I can run fs9 with lowish/mid settings quite well in my area of interest (stick and rudder mainly in a Realair SF260: no heavies and not really interested in simulating large airports).

I can't decide whether to upgrade to FSX and spec the hardware with that in mind, or to go for a (presumably) cheaper system that would make FS9 really sing.  I am keen to try a triple head to go with whichever I choose.  

I have had a look on the old threads, but it is quite hard to come up with a search strategy that answers the question: does FSX have anything significant over FS2004 to offer me?  My impression is 'not much' but please convince me otherwise.

The other issue is minimising the cost over the the next 5 years or so: low spec now, high spec in a couple of years or high spec now and no upgrade for 5-6 years.  The only things I can see on the horizon are Battle of Britain: Storm of war and FS11 which I suppose will be unplayable on affordable hardware for at least 5 years.

Sorry about the rambling preamble: here is the specific question. I have been offered a system built around

ASUS P5Q
Intel Q9300 2.65
OCZ 4GB kit DDr2 800MHz PC6400 5-4-4-15
Zotec GTX260
Samsung 500G SATAII

for around 1000UKP (no peripherals)

Browsing this forum suggests that a 8800 GPU would be better value.
I believe that the th2g works best with nvidia so I want to stick to that.

How 'future proof' does this look, and if I went for something FS9 orientated would it be half the price, and, if so,what motherboard/processor/GPU should I be thinking of.

Many thanks,

Mike
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 10th, 2008 at 7:08pm

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If by UKP you mean Pounds... heck no! (correct me if i'm wrong)

This system can be built for just over $1000USD... if not just under.

I've priced a system off Newegg consisting of a Q6600, 4GB DDR2-1066, 9800GTX, 500GB HD, including a rock-solid 750W PSU on an X48 board, along with a a good case, cooler and DVD burner for just $965USD! And thats the minimum I'd go for to get pretty decent performance out off FSX!
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 5:43pm

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MOUSY wrote on Nov 10th, 2008 at 7:08pm:
If by UKP you mean Pounds... heck no! (correct me if i'm wrong)

This system can be built for just over $1000USD... if not just under.

I've priced a system off Newegg consisting of a Q6600, 4GB DDR2-1066, 9800GTX, 500GB HD, including a rock-solid 750W PSU on an X48 board, along with a a good case, cooler and DVD burner for just $965USD! And thats the minimum I'd go for to get pretty decent performance out off FSX!


Yes, we really get screwed on the prices here, despite the fact that we both get the stuff from China!

I decided to go for a low/mid system and focus of FS9, and perhaps have a little dabble with FSX along the way just to get used to it.  I'm recycling some stuff from my old system, which has a thermaltake 480W PSU, so I may be a bit short on power. 

The idea is that I keep some flexibilty on upgrading in a year or two when I can see what the lie of the land looks like with SOW:BOB and FSX11.

I have already sourced

E4500 CPU
8800GT 500  GPU
Asus P5QL-E (P43)
WD 500G SATA drive

Now I need some memory.  I find the whole memory specification and timing numbers thing very confusing.  Should I go with the OCZ 4G kit PC6400 5-4-4-15 that I was originally offered?  Is there any milage now or in the future in going for PC8500?

Mike
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 6:45pm
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I think you can do a lot better for £1000..

This cost me just over £500 in February 08...:

1 x MSI P35 Neo-F Socket 775 FSB1333 onboard 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard
1 x Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 2.66GHz 1333FSB Socket 775 4MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
1 x OCZ 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC2-6400 CL 4-4-4-15 PLATINUM XTC with LIFETIME WARRANTY
1 x Thermaltake Soprano VB1000SNS Silver Mid-Tower Case - No PSU
1 x WD-740AD  Western Digital Raptor 74Gb 16Mb Cache Hard Disk Drive Serial ATA <4.6ms 10,000rpm - OEM
1 x Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB SATAII 16MB Cache 7200 RPM - OEM
1 x Liteon LH-20A1H-487C 20xDVD±RW/DL LightScribe Beige, Black & Silver Bezels - Retail With Nero

I added an ATi HD3870XT DDR4 512 GFX card to that, at £100 and re-used a Hiper 580w PSU that I had in my previous system.

I'd have a good look around before you commit, and don't forget to ask here too..

Wink

Good luck with it all.

P.S. Don't forget to factor in the price of an OS, this is usually overlooked..
 
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Reply #4 - Nov 11th, 2008 at 6:46pm

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CD's list above looks much more pleasing for the price...

If you're not going to overclock the system I believe 800 should be fine when working with a 2.2 Ghz Dual Core, which in my opinion, is a bit on the slow side today.
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 3:25am

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Quote:
I think you can do a lot better for £1000..

This cost me just over £500 in February 08...:



Good price, and should be cheaper now!  Any tips on good places to shop?

Looked at  dabs, overclockers, yoyotech, maplin plus general googling around.  The original quote was from yoyotech.  Expensive, but from what I can see will not leave you with ill chosen parts, and that price includes nicely built.

Mike

PS What cooler did you choose?
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 4:47am

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Ummmm is you want a com that would run FS9 high and FSX desnt them get something like i'm getting... Very good for upgrades. Cool

But with the downfall of USAs economy Prices here is Aussieland have gone up soooo much Angry
 

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Reply #7 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 6:57am
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ml57 wrote on Nov 12th, 2008 at 3:25am:
Quote:
I think you can do a lot better for £1000..

This cost me just over £500 in February 08...:



Good price, and should be cheaper now!  Any tips on good places to shop?

Looked at  dabs, overclockers, yoyotech, maplin plus general googling around.  The original quote was from yoyotech.  Expensive, but from what I can see will not leave you with ill chosen parts, and that price includes nicely built.

Mike

PS What cooler did you choose?


I bought all my parts at ebuyer, except for the HD3870 which I bought from Novatech.

I use a Zalman CNPS 9500a cooler.
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 12th, 2008 at 7:41am

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Back to the original question...


FSX is better than FS9 in too many ways to list.. ESPECIALLY if you're a stick-n-rudder, small GA simmer.

If you're able to keep yourself from getting caught up in the psychological quagmire (stewing because you can't push the sliders all the way to max), a very modest upgrade will give you a FSX experience that is much better than a "maxed out" FS9.

For reference.. I run a Q6600 (o-clocked to 3.2ghz), 4GB of 1066RAM, and a 8800GTS-G2-512, and am having a blast with FSX. THat computer is a year old and can probably be built today for UNDER $1000US  (I spent nearly $2,500).

Forget about FS9.. build as much computer as you can afford and just settle for how it runs FSX. You wont regret it.

 
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Reply #9 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 12:19pm

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MOUSY wrote on Nov 11th, 2008 at 6:46pm:
CD's list above looks much more pleasing for the price...

If you're not going to overclock the system I believe 800 should be fine when working with a 2.2 Ghz Dual Core, which in my opinion, is a bit on the slow side today.


Can you give some specs and links to them components please?
 
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Reply #10 - Nov 16th, 2008 at 11:15pm

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Hey Dido... here's the link to My Public Wish List.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=5220991

At present the price is $1011, plus or minus a couple bucks as Newegg increases and decreases on their savings. The 9800GTX is out of stock, so I replaced it with a GTX+ which brought the price up from $983.

Hopes this helps. Wink
 

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