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FSX doesn't seem to like my new clock (Read 9440 times)
Reply #120 - Nov 18th, 2008 at 10:10pm

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Well, I dont like making suggestions without being sure..

Even if the math and enginnering I post is correct that does not mean the application, in your case that BIOS, was using that math or formula.

I have seen Asus and other MB manufactures do some really off the wall things over the years so better safe than sorry


But you got it now so I would not upgrade that BIOS again and keep what you have which is stable unless later you move to DDR3 2000+ and need another BIOS upgrade for it.


but I would wait to see if they further improve the timing and lower the price before making that move
 
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Reply #121 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 12:48pm

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I think for now, I'm leaving well enough alone. My next upgrade will probably be a GT 280 but I'd like to see the price come down a bit first. My 8800GTS 640 is doing just fine.

Later, I'll look at the I7 stuff but not until the new $$$ wears off.


LOL - have to tell you this - was over at the Asus Rampage Extreme forum and someone had a question about calculating the GTL. So I pasted the formula you posted and explained a bit how to solve the equation. He was so happy that I got 3 "tech" points on the forum. Smiley

Last week I couldn't spell guru, now I are one. Grin

However, I am *very* careful with any advice I give that the equipment and situation is exactly the same.
 

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Reply #122 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 8:39pm

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Yep

"now you are is one"     Grin




Welcome to the 'Pro" club

all you have to do is ask yourself...  Would you ever go back to what you were running in DDR2?

Even clocked right on DDR2?

You can do better and the 280 would put the icing on the cake


Enjoy that tower Vic

I may be in SoCal around March to flip property so perhaps I will take you up on that dinner


break bread with good company... what more can anyone ask for
 
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Reply #123 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 11:44am

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I would not have believed this tuning and upgrade would have made that much of a difference. I expected *some* improvement but since I'm not a frame rate junkie I wondered how much of an improvement I'd see. Still can't quantify it but it's just an overall feeling of smoothness and some great visuals. I've always had my system tweaked pretty well - where others were getting 8-9 FPS I was getting 14 - 15 and now where I used to get 19 & 20 FPS I get in the 30's & 40's but it's the visuals that have me open mouthed. I am a happy camper!!!

Hope you can make it down - good food, good conversation - what else is there?

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Reply #124 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 11:51am

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NickN wrote on Nov 15th, 2008 at 9:17am:
Vic

I just got word that BIOS 0801 has solved some of the memory chip noise issues and is much more stable than previous releases

Its in BETA and not available at the Asus site through normal means

It may be some weeks before it is released

Until I hear back from my Asus contact I am going to assume at this point the voltages I gave you for VTT and GTL is correct based on correct electronic enginnering formulas and the fact you are stable with those settings in everything and in testing..  except 3D


Here is what we want to do next... This is the real pain in the ass part becasue there is no set value to work with. Even identical memory modules can display 2 different tweaking combos for skew so what you need to do is get it set back up as we had it booting and stable for DDR3 1800 in your OCCT and MEMTEST results and start with the following

CPU CLOCK SKEW

NB CLOCK SKEW

Here is the way to do this... Leave CPU SKEW alone and start with a 100ps on the NB. If that fails go to 200ps, then 300ps

Once you reach 300 on the NB and the stability has not changed then set NB to AUTO and then move to CPU SKEW. same deal.. 100, 200, 300

If you see no change then set NB to 100 (LOCK IT THERE) and then change only CPU to 200, then 300 then 400 and last 500... I dont see any reason to go above 500

If you see no change then set CPU to 100 (LOCK IT THERE) and then change ony NB to 200, then 300, 400, 500

If during any of those tests you start to see elongated stability times then assume the last setting made a difference and instead of moving to the next test.. increase the value of the SKEW you were working with again so in example.. if you see that a 100ps NB SKEW with a 300ps CPU SKEW definitely increased the stability, raise CPU to 400ps. If its worse then return CPU to 300 and increase NB to 200


After you pull your hair out and go insane with all that testing, and assuming you do not come across anything that makes any difference return the CPU and NB SKEW to AUTO for both and we switch to DRAM SKEW CONTROL

your targets will be slots A2 and B2 only all others on AUTO

DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM A2:

DRAM CTL Skew on DIMM B2:

Start out with quick and dirty changes... set BOTH equally to DELAY 50, 75, 100, 125, 150, 175, 200, 250

If no result next you are going to do the same thing with these two you did with NB and CPU except smaller steps

Start with A2 at AUTO and B2 at DELAY 25, then DELAY 50, then DELAY 75 ... all the way up to 250ps

If no result then swap and set B2 to AUTO and do the same with A2

If no result then set A2 to DELAY 50 and start working B2 from DELAY 25 and up and reverse that if no result

Vic this is pure trial and error and there is no science behind it simply because they have not invented a oscilloscope to come with motherboards so the user can see the noise and trim in real tim

Once you go through all that if you see absolutely no change then there is nothing else I can suggest except wait for 0801 BIOS

or avoid all of this and buy DDR3 1800 modules

But do be aware 1T at 1800 is hit and miss on those Corsairs and at that speed you really do not need 1T




Nick, Will this strategy work with the Mushkin DDR2's?  I've got a very similar setup to this but on DDR2.  I'd like to run my system @ 466FSB.  I can run w/o any clock skews or GTL changes at 460FSB but I start to error out in Prime95 (rounding errors) at 466FSB. 

I've memtest'd the memory up to DDR1128 for 9 hours without any error and I only need DDR1120 to run my 466FSB.  Thanks Nick and thanks vgbaron for letting me tag along.

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Reply #125 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 12:56pm

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that type of tweaking is only for DDR3

if you cant do it in DDR2 its not noise
 
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