Simviation Forum - Re: This or Nehalem ???

Sep 27^th, 2008 at 8:20pm

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Hi,

It looks like an Amazing setup!! Really.

I dont think it'll come close to nellie, but it'll need a new Motherboard if you upgrade to Nellie.

It does seem very expensive though, especially when you could get fairly similar performance for a lot cheaper.

If you can afford it, you'll have a great setup, but will have to fork out again and probably have to reinstall everything with a new CPU & Motherboard.

Somebody more technical than me will give you better advice probably.

Rik

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Reply #1 - Sep 28^th, 2008 at 12:05am

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My thoughts:

1) SLI does absolutely nothing for FSX, one card's all you need.
2) You don't need two optical drives, just one.
3) Great motherboard & memory, nice cpu, but you could overclock & get better results with a cpu that costs 1/3 or even less.
4) Excellent power supply
5) SSD's are fast, but are still developing and might not be as reliable as HDDs. Two 300Gb velociraptor's might be worth considering.
6) power conditioning is a must and APC is a great brand.
7) Definitely overclock.
8) 64bit & 4Gb really helps FSX especially with addons

More importantly:

9) You are always, always better off building your own gaming system. You will save at least half the cost. That $8,000+ would cost $4,000 or less (much less even) if you did it yourself. It's an awesome experience.

10) No matter how much money you throw at it, FSX will still bring your system, any system, to its knees at full settings.

-Jim

Oh, and I haven't seen that cpu cooler but the best air coolers now are the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, the OCZ Vindella 2, and the Xigmatek 1283.

Oh, Oh, and one more thing. It'll take you about two days to learn how to build (put together and startup) a system using today's HW. Maybe a little longer to figure out how to install the OS and everything else. It's really easy!

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Reply #2 - Sep 28^th, 2008 at 10:07am

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You can put together a system that will run FSX EXACLTY the same as the quoted system for $2500 or even less. I did!

In fact, I bet it will run it better than that!

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Reply #3 - Sep 28^th, 2008 at 7:50pm

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LMAO at the ridiculous price.

Not trying to put you down but take the advice from others here: order the parts off Newegg or some other equally good site, build yourself with the advice of the many here who are willing to help and save between 1/2 to 2/3 of the price you are looking at up there.

Check out my PAYWARE quality, FREEWARE release of DominicaX.

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Reply #4 - Sep 30^th, 2008 at 8:29pm

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If this s for FSX...
2 words

IN SANE

For that price I would wait for nellie and do the works then

you are looking at a 40% increase in CPU/memory ability over anything you will buy today

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Reply #5 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 1:01pm

NickN Offline
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Roger that

Here is sample of something ... not going to say what it is... could be a lot of things but none the less insane people can easily imagine what this comes from

Around November 3rd the weather way be changing outside.. be ready for it

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Reply #6 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 7:13pm

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I know what that is Smiley

You tease! How can you even run anything else now?

-Jim

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Reply #7 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 8:45pm

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Nick, I've seen that pic before on OCUK forums I'm sure.

My guess would be the origional Pentium, but that's just me Grin

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Reply #8 - Oct 1^st, 2008 at 9:02pm

NickN Offline
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AMDDDA wrote on Oct 1^st, 2008 at 8:45pm:

Nick, I've seen that pic before on OCUK forums I'm sure.

My guess would be the origional Pentium, but that's just me Grin

I never said I was the source of any images in this thread, did I

I got popped for posting benchies in the past (suckered by Ati in not releasing the same card i was testing is more like it) and I know better than to stick my personal neck out again... however nothing keeps me from 'possibly' confirming something that 'could' be real and 'could' be true and was not posted by me personally

could be a P4.. .hmmmm perhaps a really well clocked AMD?

dunno

requires an insane person to decide

by the way ADz.. this is the part you did NOT see there

There 'could' be 4 threads not recognized due to alpha state of the BIOS and CPUz 'may' not be upgraded yet to recognize all the slug properties

so this 'could' be real ..or its all a dream!

I dont know nuthin

Im as dumb as a nose-pickin redneck on this topic

I see nothing

I hear.... NUTHING

I say, nuth-ING!

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Reply #9 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 11:42am

NickN Offline
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FSX runs fine... the problem
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Thats an insane thought

yep, 4 cores 8 threads

but the BIOS and CPUz also must work together to use the threads so from an insane perspective CPUz would not see the other 4 threads till it gets the chipset register information updated in its code.

you know whats really insane?

Clocking 4GHz on a locked 166Mhz FSB and the calculation brute force is equivalent to a 5GHz proc running today on LN2

Where is FSX needing the most help?

Only an insane person would know

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Reply #10 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 12:41pm

NickN Offline
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No in the case of nellie its actually its the same 800HP engine finally being taken OFF the Yugo transmission and placed in a proper Formula1 system and feed the right octane fuel.

Sandybridge will take that even further

FSB does not make a system faster.. never did. What FSB increases did was shift gears on the northbridge, or in the case of AMD it simply increased the communication rate between the memory and CPU. Intel is switching to a system that 'looks' like AMD's but it is FAR from it. FSB is not required for performance, never was.. In the past it was how FSB is used to make changes in the communication paths and that is no longer required. Intel corrected the mistakes AMD made in their system of switching to a internal CPU Northbridge system and it will eat AMD for beakfast unless they pull a rabbit out of their hats in the next 6 months

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Reply #11 - Oct 2^nd, 2008 at 3:12pm

NickN Offline
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Dont take FSX as some greatly programmed software, although it does bring some innovations to the market.. it wasn’t well designed and that’s what is wrong with it

its a 10,000lb gorilla on the memory subsystem and far more system crunching than it had to be. The issue was design management prior to Phil Taylor coming on the scene and doing what he could to correct the mistakes without rewriting the software from scratch.

No matter what FSX is a 10K gorilla and will remain that way so in order to tame a 10k gorilla you have to have a cage big enough to hold it and deal with it so any improvements to the CPU and memory system are going to go to FSX running better.

The crap you have been reading about with nellie and games is 'somewhat' true... but the part you miss is FSX is not a game. Its a world simulator that needs a 10k gorilla cage to tame it

at the same time they also said the Q6600 would not help games either... Grin

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