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Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 6:06pm

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Taking up an unfamiliar plane and just trying it out, maybe making charts, comparing it to what you already know - it's what I thought. Hard graft...  Wouldn't that be even harder the more passengers the plane can carry - must be quite a difference in performance between empty and full in a 20 seater for example!!


Simulators give you that invaluable luxury. To test and do some trial and error. Aside from the obvious learning potential.. it makes you keep thinking like a pilot. An experienced pilot can (not out of any type of inherent arrogance), size up a aircraft and have a pretty good idea of it's performance, and limitatons... all variables accounted for (weather, loads, etc.). For example... As you get more familiar with the 182rg, you'd be able to size up something like a C310. You know you've got a 235HP engine in that 182rg, and know it's appetite for fuel... loading CG quirks..limitations as altitude increases.. and so on. The C310 would have two of those engines, that are even a little more thirsty and powerful, and NOT out on the nose.. two more seats.. etc. Reading the POH wouldn't be so much learning from scratch.. but more like confirming and fine-tuning your intuition. That's how you end up flying planes anyway. You don't fixate on the airspeed indicator waiting to rotate.. you KNOW what a plane "that size" feels like when it's ready to leave the runway.. and you'll find Vy by the seat of you pants and then use the airspeed indicator to nail and maintain it. Simming a few drills to make your own performance charts will just help bring the big picture into better focus.


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I was thinking of the Recreational Pilot's License when saying VFR pilots can't stray far from base. This is true if you only have an RPL, isn't it?


Yes.. (it's called 'Light Sport Pilot' here). There are limitations on when and where you can fly, but I'm not familiar with specifics. I don't give it much thought, because I don't like the whole idea. A regular PPL barely qualifies you to be turned loose in an airplane. Training standards even lower than that seem absurd to me. Not to mention that you don't even have to have a basic physical before taking other people up into the air with you. Thankfully, that seems to be a consensus.. as this Light Sport stuff has been around for years now, and it still hasn't really caught on. I've heard that if it ever had gotten a head of steam going.. insurance companies would have stepped in. They weren't crazy about issuing liability and personal injury policies to people trying to find a short-cut to piloting.. Anyway.. I digress  Undecided

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Next month I shall begin to increase the cloud coverage more and more and try to get about just using instruments, as well as get those approaches right. Perhaps by next month you might have some IFR tutorials going Brett....  

...If not, no worries - there are a good few tutes out there...


I'm excited about  getting those started.. I've got rough drafts written. I'm done with that C310 model.. and am going to take my time on the Saab 340 I'm working on. So they should start showing up in the Flight School section, about the time you're ready for them  Cool
 
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Reply #16 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 9:09am

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Cheers Brett!

Just posting an update on This Noob's progress.

Over the last week I've been working on several things which are new for me...

1. Trying to see if I can feel the difference between different aircraft. When you just start up on the runway and fly about a bit, taking screenshots, one small plane feels much like another. It's always brought a smile to my face when I see a C182RG described as a high performance aircraft, but there must be a reason for it so I set up a 'hillclimb' test. I flew the RG in the Himalayas, taking off from Lamidada at around 4100ft (I think) and flying with 3 people and enough fuel for there, back and 45 mins roughly north to Lukla at 9100ft. If you take the straight route then it involves climbing over and clearing a ridge at cca 7000ft about halfway to Lukla.
I first wanted sensibly to avoid too much risk, so I circled over Lamidada to 7000 then headed north, just using a terrain map for guidance. No problem at all, though almost kissed the rock wall at the end of the runway on landing.  I returned to Lamidada using the NDB there as an additional aid to check I was on track. Worked fine. Then I went straight to Lukla without circling first, and the RG cleared the ridge okay and was at a good height above Lukla when I arrived in 15mins. Great - less time, less fuel.  The RG had power to spare in all situations at that height. Tried the hillclimb again with the 172, same payload/fuel (put the 172 almost at max) and found it a lot more sluggish - it only just cleared the ridge, was noticeably slower and only just got to Lukla height when we arrived there in 19 mins. Finally I did it with the 150 Aerobat. 1st we couldn't take 3 people or much luggage, so put two in and loaded it to almost max. Then, climbing was very sluggish indeed, but thanks to the low speed we had time to clear the 7000ft ridge and get a fair amount of height above Lukla just before we got there in 25 minutes. Take off from Lukla was very bad though, only by the skin of my teeth...

I was very pleased with the results, I could really feel the differences between the planes, and see the data. So I'm going to use the RG as a benchmark for light GA singles, and the Lamidada-Lukla 'hillclimb' as a performance test too. It will really help me to sim more realistically and enjoyably, I think.

2. I've started work on basic piloting skills in the Aerobat, doing touch and goes + pattern flying with a direct headwind on runway bearing, then with a crosswind on take-off, sourcing your tutorial here and combining this with the'flying a rectangular course' tute in the FS Handbook...

http://www.flightsimbooks.com/flightsimhandbook/CHAPTER_05_02_Rectangular_Course...

Turning is my weakest point; I only have a 'twist grip' joystick for rudder and making co-ordinated, standard rate turns with reference to the horizon outside or the attitude indicator inside is just very tricky. So working on that in particular, as well as climbing turns, turning into/out of a crosswind, crabbing for wind correction, constant-speed flying, correct approach techniques etc - and checking out my course on the in-sim map after a couple of goes. Not doing too badly... Smiley

3. Now I'm working on a set of 'rules' to define my new 'serious' approach to simming, as well as a training programme... again, trying to be systematic and really 'get into' simming properly. I'll post them when I'm done, might give people a chuckle.

Cheers

Krigl

 

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Reply #17 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 10:23am

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"High performance" is just a term to seperate trainers from touring planes. In the U.S.  (as far as endorsements go), it means any airplane with more than 200 HP. There's more piloting involved in flying these things.. especially landing. A C182 for example has nearly identical wing area as a C172. It's a handful to land compared to a C172.. 'cause a C172 is like a kite in comparison. The more you get your head around this piloting stuff.. the more you'll understand the importance of wing-loading.

Nailing perfect patterns and setting up stabilized approaches will make your transition to bigger, faster planes that much easier. Turning final in a KingAir is much easier when you've kept yourself "ahead of the airplane", than it is when you're still "joysticking" your way around the sky. Airspeeds and altitudes !!  Gotta nail them !!  Cool  Everything else falls into place.. Smiley

If you wanna have some fun..  duplicate you C182RG  (re-naming all the pertinent stuff in the cfg of course).. and turbo-normalize it. I can get you the accurate numbers if you like. You'll really get an appreciation for how altitude affects MP.. (when you don't gotta worry about it)..
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 11:33am

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Thanks Brett! You're a mine of info! I wouldn't mind trying the turbo trick on my 182 but I'm not sure I'd know what things to rename in the .cfg.

Airspeeds and altitudes... trimming is my other massive weakness, I try to trim to take pressure off the stick, but always end up with my nose going up down like a pigeon that's into heavy metal, or slip into an uncontrolled climb.  Grin

Well, I don't expect I'll ever get really skilled or accurate at this... I just want to get as close as I personally can to realism, and most importantly enjoy it, so it's practice practice practice.

Loving the C150 right now, so easy to land - and so slow! Last night I was reallly tired and kept nodding off while on final. When I opened my eyes I found myself still going where I wanted (wind was at runway heading), just a little bit lower. Fell asleep 3x and still managed a great centreline landing.

 

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Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 12:28pm

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If that C182RG is payware.. I'm not sure how duplicating it will work.

If it's not payware.. just zip up the whole folder and email it to me (or use www.yousendit.com  )..

I'll send back a completely seperate turbo-normalized version that will show up as a different aircraft..
 
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Reply #20 - Sep 11th, 2008 at 12:46pm

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Don't think it's the RG, but I do have the default FS9 182 in my FSX directory, if you're interested?
 

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Reply #21 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 3:20am

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Thanks guys! I'm doing a lot of flying in FS9 right now, and I'm using the Carenado 182 RG, not the default. However, if you (Brett) have an FS9 default C182 which you've already turbo-normalised, it'd be cool if you passed me a copy... probably via you-send-it as I'm not sure about my email's ability to accept more than around 1 meg.  Smiley

Last night I nailed flying by eye in crosswinds, landings too, in the 150. Never really tried it seriously before, but managed to hold reasonably straight lines in a 20 KN crosswind all around the pattern by sighting on outside visual references, and then did some nice, stable, slooow crabbed landings.

Tonight I'm off for a short, pure VFR fly-by-eye cross country in FS9 VOZ in the 150.  Smiley Hope there are checklists for that baby, must look in the file for it. Then at the weekend a longer crosscountry and after I plan to familiarise myself and do a similar tour (but in the Czech Republic) with a real VFR-only plane, the Avia BH-5, which I saw flying just last week.  Smiley

http://www.historicflight.cz/virtual/bh5/?lng=en

Cheers

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Reply #22 - Sep 12th, 2008 at 10:29am

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I don't have FS9 installed... but here's the engine paragraph from the C172.. it's similar to the C182..

Just change the
red
lines to those numbers. That will give you a quick and dirty turbo-normalization.

Make a backup of the aircraft.cfg file FIRST.. just in case..


[piston_engine]
power_scalar = 1.0                              //Piston power scalar
cylinder_displacement= 90.0                     //Cubic inches per cylinder
compression_ratio= 8.5                          //Compression ratio
number_of_cylinders=4                           //Number of cylinders
max_rated_rpm= 2700                             //Max rated RPM
max_rated_hp= 180                               //Max rated HP
fuel_metering_type= 0                           //0=Fuel Injected, 1=Gravity Carburetor, 2=Aerobatic Carburetor
cooling_type= 0                                 //0=Cooling type Air, 1=Cooling type Liquid
normalized_starter_torque= 0.3                  //Starter torque factor
turbocharged= 1
                               //Is it turbocharged? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUE
max_design_mp= 29
                               //Max design manifold pressure, (inHg)
min_design_mp= 0                                //Min design manifold pressure, (inHg)
critical_altitude= 12000
                           //Altitude to which the turbocharger will provide max design manifold pressure (feet)
emergency_boost_type= 0                         //0=None, 1=Water Injection, 2=Methanol/Water injection, 3=War Emergency Power
emergency_boost_mp_offset= 0                    //Additional manifold pressure supplied by emergency boost
emergency_boost_gain_offset= 0                  //Multiplier on manifold pressure due to emergency boost
fuel_air_auto_mixture= 0                        //Automixture available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUE
auto_ignition= 0                                //Auto-Ignition available? 0=FALSE, 1=TRUE
max_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar= 1.0       //Scalar on maximum RPM mechanical efficiency
idle_rpm_mechanical_efficiency_scalar= 1.0      //Scalar on idle RPM mechanical efficiency
max_rpm_friction_scalar= 1.0                    //Scalar on maximum RPM friction
idle_rpm_friction_scalar= 1.0                   //Scalar on idle RPM friction
BestPowerSpecificFuelConsumption=0.49           //SFC at Best Power mixture ratio
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 14th, 2008 at 8:35am

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krigl, that is one dandy aircraft you linked to. Thanks. I'm enjoying reading your escapades, too. Please keep the updates coming.
 
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Reply #24 - Nov 19th, 2008 at 2:26am

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Just a few quick comments regarding your original questions about density altitude and flying over mountains...

As Brett said, density altitude calculations are very important for takeoff and landing performance, but if you plan to cross a mountain range, it is equally (if not more) important to have proper DA information for your climb to altitude.  There have been many fatalities because pilots thought that they only needed DA info for takeoff and landing, but neglected to remember that DA also influences your rate of climb and ceiling.  I've read many NTSB reports and spoken with eye witnesses of accidents where pilots 250HP ships couldn't even outclimb the terrain a few miles from the strip!  They took off alright, but they didn't have any extra horsepower to climb and they neglected to lighten their load. 

In fact, there are some somewhat simple calculations to use as rule-of-thumb to calculate your expected climb rate.  In fact, you lose about %3.5 HP per 1000 feet in DA.  

Example: 230 hp airplane at a 5000 ft airport where the DA = 7600 feet

HP reduction  = 3.5% x 7.6 = 27% reduction
(approximately 73% available)
230hp x (73%)= 168 hp available at 7600 ft DA

Depending upon your loading, this may be a go/no go decision.

The calculations beyond this point get a bit more complicated since excess HP is what makes you climb, but just remember that if you're flying in close proximity to mountains, make sure you're going to be able to outclimb the ridges.  The airplane (Cessna 182) in the above example needed to leave behind 800lbs in cargo in order to achieve the same sea level power/weight loading!   That's equivalent to two 180-lb passengers, two 75-lb bags, and 48 gallons of gas!


I know this is just FS, but its just food for thought.
 

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