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May 26th, 2008 at 4:54pm

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He appears to have an allen stuck up his backside.
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I'm getting sick of the senna comparisons.
Nothing Lewis did yesterday was Senna like. Senna for one pretty much never had the luxury of fuel stops to help his strategy.
Plus Lewis is only setting himself up for a fall, instead of creating his own legacy, he is putting himself in the shadow of a driver who will forever be on another level, no matter what Lewis will do. It then also annoys a lot of people who can straight away point out the huge differances in the two. And it ends up meaning Lewis will just be another driver instead of someone who may one day be good enough to be remembered as someone who made a differance.
 
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Reply #1 - May 26th, 2008 at 5:40pm

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I often wonder what Lewis Hamilton's done in his 23 years to upset you so much Craig... Tongue Wink Grin
 
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Reply #2 - May 26th, 2008 at 5:58pm

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Not Lewis this time.
I finally figured it out. It's James Allen and his constant lewis love fest thats done it. I also understand why so many people get annoyed with Michael Schumacher when I bring him up Wink Grin

If you'll notice I said Lewis could make his own legacy if he finally drops his constant Senna referances. Nothing he can do about Allen constantly compairing the two. But I think Lewis' dad realises this because whenever he is asked if Lewis will be the next Senna, or schumacher he responds with he'll be the next Lewis.
And thats how it should be. Dont compair yourself to perhaps the two greatest drivers especially when you've not even won as many races as Massa who's considered a hit and miss driver who'll not win a championship. Go out there and do the things it takes to put you alongside those two drivers.
 
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Reply #3 - May 26th, 2008 at 6:01pm
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Senna never whacked the armco at Monaco and got away with a race win on a plate..
 
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Reply #4 - May 26th, 2008 at 6:04pm

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Senna never whacked the armco at Monaco and got away with a race win on a plate..


No Senna generally whacked someone out of the way instead Grin Grin

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Reply #5 - May 26th, 2008 at 6:17pm

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Senna never whacked the armco at Monaco and got away with a race win on a plate..

No lol, he just did it in the dry with a huge lead near the end and failed to finish the race. Lips Sealed Grin
To give Lewis some credit, his middle stint was a very good drive. It was helped by the Ferrari's being on a stupidly slow strategy but thats racing. Lewis did what he had to win. It was luck but then again some of the greatest drivers have won a race on luck alone.
 
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Reply #6 - May 27th, 2008 at 12:31am

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Isn't it blasphemy to badmouth Lewis in the UK?  Watch out Craig, the government might run you out on a rail Grin
 

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Reply #7 - May 27th, 2008 at 4:06am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 12:31am:
Isn't it blasphemy to badmouth Lewis in the UK?  Watch out Craig, the government might run you out on a rail Grin



That's too kind, I would go for the insertion of a slowly rotating pineapple in his rear............Now lets all hear it for the Lewis Love Fest Grin Grin

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Reply #8 - May 27th, 2008 at 5:32am

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Hmmm i dont think any of this is Hamiltons fault. Allen goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the 'senna' thing but i dont really see where hes getting the comparisons from.

We do know Hamiltons 'favorite' and 'hero' is Senna. I dont see anything wrong with that. Hamilton i dont think has ever compared himself to Senna, he does often say that he was thinking about Senna, as im sure he did say after Monaco also.

Thinking about him isnt the same as comparing yourself to him.

I think a lot of what Senna acheived is a little clouded these days, yes he was quite somthing in a racing car, but he had his bad days and sometimes bloody awful days just like every other driver.

As has been mentioned, he threw away an enormous lead and a certain win in '88 with a daft mistake because Prost, who was so far behind, he could have been in a different race, put in a few fast laps....

Also, Schumacher clouted one of those temporay bollards at monza (i think in '96) which had taken out other drivers, but he 'luckily' got away with it and went on to win - Mansell had a driveshaft explode away from the line at the british GP in 1986, but 'luckily' there was a massive pile up that stopped the race and Mansell went on to win, getting past piquet in piquets spare car when he missed a gear.

Just two examples but there are numerous others of how this happened and that happened, but never have i seen one drivers win be put down to 'all luck' as much as Hamiltons . He still had to drive the car like he did to win the race.

Im certainly not in 'Lewis Love fest land' and James Allens inane almost orgasmic ramblings just wind me up, but you have to say that Hamiltons probably the best out and out 'racer' on the grid at the moment.

Given half a chance, if the cars up to the task, it would be hard to bet against him taking on anyone else on the grid and beating them. Hes going to have the odd bad race, as any driver will, and hes going to make mistakes, just like any driver will. It does seem the case though that the tiniest error, any little slip, and hes 'OMG the worst ever and ever' - give the guy a chance! Senna made mistakes, Prost made some howlers, Mansell made mistakes, hell, i bet even Moss and Fangio occsionaly made mistakes!

Hes very Mansell like in this respect, seemingly alone in having the ability to 'make' things happen. Senna i dont think had this ability - usualy he was in the best car and was usualy in front (although some seem to think he spent his entire career in 'dogs' and won simply by being the best ever) although 1993 was a stunning year for senna and made prost look very ordinary....

Alonso had a howler of a race, yet this is put down to 'desperation' even Alonso himself said it didnt matter if they didnt score points (or somthing like that -  i read it over on autosport)

Kimi also had a pretty awful race - but again its 'the cars fault'  the teams fault' or 'bad set up' 'wrong strategy' 'the rain' 'the tyres' etc etc!

Hopefully during the season Hamilton will indeed have a perfect race, in that he wont have the fastest car, he wont start from pole, he wont make any mistakes, and he will overtake several cars on his way to a win. Maybe then, and only then, will all the daft comments and excuses stop. Although im sure then it will be 'he had the best car'..... Roll Eyes

The guy seemingly cant do anything right  Lips Sealed and you cant blame Hamilton for ITV's reaction, whats printed in the papers, nor anything else outside his control.....

Thats all only my opinion btw!
 

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Reply #9 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:38am

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I'm afraid I have to concur with the horse  Grin Grin
 

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Reply #10 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:47am

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eno wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 6:38am:
I'm afraid I have to concur with the horse  Grin Grin

I agree to a 99% amount.
The only slight disagreement is with the Nigel Mansell comparison, Lewis has niether the eye brows the tasch or the personailty to be like him Wink Grin And lets face it, i think old nige eats a breakfast thats bigger than Lewis hamilton Wink Cheesy
 
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Reply #11 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:53am

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speaking of great british drivers,
did anyone see the BBC show on the life of Graham Hill last night? Absolutely fantastic watch. Not only a really good driver, but an incredible person. Very funny aswell.
Thats what all drivers should be like.
 
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Reply #12 - May 27th, 2008 at 6:54am

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Craig. wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 6:47am:
The only slight disagreement is with the Nigel Mansell comparison, Lewis has niether the eye brows the tasch or the personailty to be like him Wink Grin

Nigel Mansell + personality does not compute. Cheesy

I'll crawl back into my shell now. Tongue Grin
 

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Reply #13 - May 27th, 2008 at 7:50am

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Craig. wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 6:47am:
eno wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 6:38am:
I'm afraid I have to concur with the horse  Grin Grin

I agree to a 99% amount.
The only slight disagreement is with the Nigel Mansell comparison, Lewis has niether the eye brows the tasch or the personailty to be like him Wink Grin And lets face it, i think old nige eats a breakfast thats bigger than Lewis hamilton Wink Cheesy



I don't think Lewis plays golf either Grin

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Reply #14 - May 27th, 2008 at 8:45am

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The Ruptured Duck wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 12:31am:
Watch out Craig, the government might run you out on a rail Grin


No, they'll just whack up his car tax to "appease the tree huggers" (or in reality just bump up the coffers).
 
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Reply #15 - May 27th, 2008 at 1:48pm

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LOL! Im glad everyone can see where i was coming from with that post.

I think James Allen (and ITV) has a lot to answer for - it seems he is turning a lot of people off Hamilton,and its just not on! Fine i can understand him wanting him to do well and supporting him..its just that in his position he should be somewhat nuetral and keep his love fest for himself - go home and watch the race on DVD or somthing and squeal and shout and rub himself in strange ways there, at home, not in the commentary box!

Note that they also extended the coverage - had anyone else won, we would have been left with the usual 'bit' of the press conference..
 

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Reply #16 - May 27th, 2008 at 2:06pm

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todayshorse wrote on May 27th, 2008 at 1:48pm:
LOL! Im glad everyone can see where i was coming from with that post.

I think James Allen (and ITV) has a lot to answer for - it seems he is turning a lot of people off Hamilton,and its just not on! Fine i can understand him wanting him to do well and supporting him..its just that in his position he should be somewhat nuetral and keep his love fest for himself - go home and watch the race on DVD or somthing and squeal and shout and rub himself in strange ways there, at home, not in the commentary box!

Note that they also extended the coverage - had anyone else won, we would have been left with the usual 'bit' of the press conference..

Not sure if this applies to national broadcasters in other countries but BBC & ITV sports presenters have always been heavily biased towards British contenders. Not really surprising as Britain has very few world class sports people these days. In some 'sports' like international football you could be forgiven for thinking that there is only one team on the field. Even dear old Murray Walker had a thing about Mansell & Damon Hill.

Unfortunately the British media builds these people up until they start believing it themselves. Then when they fail to deliver the goods the same reporters take great delight in knocking them down again. I've watched this happening time & time again. I no longer follow F1 but despite all their money I feel very sorry for people like young Lewis Hamilton. It's not his fault.
 

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