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Another FSX New Proyect!! (Read 10079 times)
May 13
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, 2008 at 6:50pm
Alrot
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all the landing gears c-wheel rudder wheel , gear wheel is already animated
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May 13
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AH! I haven't even downloaded your new Citation let alone your 727. I can't wait for this one!
707 baby!!!
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May 13
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Alrot you've been busy.
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May 13
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pretty pretty please make us a cessna P210
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May 14
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A true, FSX 707 with a VC !!
I'm excited
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May 14
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Of course, now he's locked in for the next year or so - now he'll have to do all variations of the 707, including the KC-135 and all teh ELINT variants...
I have to admit - he works fast....
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May 14
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, 2008 at 8:18am
Alrot
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the proyect was on the table quite long ago ,before FSX was thinking to exist... I left behind I had in that time some personal isues, And also there its a nice 717 wich will be on the table here soon..
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May 14
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Alejandro Rhodes wrote
on May 14
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, 2008 at 8:18am:
the proyect was on the table quite long ago ,before FSX was thinking to exist... I left behind I had in that time some personal isues, And also there its a nice 717 wich will be on the table here soon..
As an aside - the "original" Boeing 717 was actually the designation for the C/KC-135 series which, although similar to the 707, is actually based off the "Dash-80" prototype, with a smaller diameter fuselage, smaller dimensons, etc.
The E-3, E-6 and E-8 variants, are, however, based off of the 707...
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May 14
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I've seen the C-135 reffered to a 717-100 in the same text as the ex Douglas twin being called a 717-200
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May 14
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An L-188 would get some major hits as one of your designs.
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May 15
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, 2008 at 11:29am
Alrot
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Oh Dear Lord!!!
While I keep working on this one
I wasn't aware at all about this already and
Very well made
model 707
This is another model ,from other people, is the same model707 as the one I'm making
its a freeware and its available right here
http://www.simviation.com/fsxjets32.htm
Its really really amazing it only have one BIG but, but lets talk about latter
eventhough the plane is made by makemdl9 (For FS9) the animations ,the front leading flaps ,the WING FLEX
and the awsome VC ,I can't even make the shape of the windows like that..
THE BUT
In all aspect is a very well done airplane 707 ,unfortuanly I don't know what happend to this guy , he made an exquisites Job why hi didn't place FSX Gauges in the VC ?? Why He put these three Ugly pilots in all the seats instead ,In fact when you hit to be in the VC you show in the pilot and you can see you/his hand on the yoke ....
I really really can't understand ,the most easy part ,why he did this?
I will try to go on with this one but scouts words I wasn't aware how good this model was
..
there its something that some of you may think ,the truth is ,No one would ever dear to make an F-16 ,for what? ,there is the most perfect f-16 in all MSFS history made by Kirk Olson..
I made the B727 knowing about Vistaliners model wich is a lot much more beutifull and better made than mine.
I got inspire by this plane it self Because It didn't came with VC ,That's why Im trying to get a reason to keep on this work reason , But what if this guy decide to release a fixed VC with FSX gauges? ..Oh Dear Lord..
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May 15
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Alejandro Rhodes wrote
on May 15
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, 2008 at 11:29am:
Oh Dear Lord!!!
THE BUT
In all aspect is a very well done airplane 707 ,unfortuanly I don't know what happend to this guy , he made an exquisites Job why hi didn't place FSX Gauges in the VC ?? Why He put these three Ugly pilots in all the seats instead ,In fact when you hit to be in the VC you show in the pilot and you can see you/his hand on the yoke ....
I really really can't understand ,the most easy part ,why he did this?
Just adding my $0.02 here vis-a-vis 'pilots' or any other entity in
the VC...I personally do not like them. They get in the way of the
views from within the VC. Especially with FSX and TrackIR.
I have additional camera definitions that allow me to move about
the VC of the aircraft I fly with the flick of my thumb. If there is
a pilot of FE modeled in the VC their appendages just get in the
way. Why 'spoil' a nice, realistic looking VC with a figure that
looks like a ventriloquists dummy...?
I just experienced this problem with Ito's F2...you can's get to the
switches on the side panels because the 'dummys' arms are in
the way...
Again, just my opinion.
Oh, and I second the "L-188" request
Paul ( 4-engine propliner enthusiast )
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May 15
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, 2008 at 3:25pm
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i agree... no pilots allowed in the cockpits
unless of course there is a really clever way of making them appear or to get rid of them... like a hidden button somewhere in the cockpit that triggers an animation of the pilots walking in and taking their seats... (of course that would require some serious quality animating to pull off... mean, pixar style animation, at least
)
i remember that the WACO biplane from bill lyons had a removable pilot/co-pilot bound to the spoiler animation... since that plane had no spoilers, it was a clever solution to have (or not have) a pilot dummy in the cockpit... of course the spoilers then had no effect on the flying itself
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May 18
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, 2008 at 9:08am
Alrot
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After several Reading studies , investigation ,..After
concentrating all my mind in this tutorial and Braking my head off
and tear out the few hair I read all this for a hole day
http://www.aerodynamika.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1206894574
I finally learn how only to said this----------------->
WHAT?
anyway ,I deal my self in my own procedure ,I invented and so far I doesn't look that bad,..isn't it?
Like I did with the last Citation
The Unhappy and Happy Animation--->
Some of the animations
and The VC Bearly Just began
(Those are not the yokes ,I made a quick box just to take this shot)
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May 18
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Looks like it's coming along. Man, you must spend a
lot
of time on these.
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May 20
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Awesome work on that 707 Alrot! Especially if its for SP2!
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May 20
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, 2008 at 4:42pm
Alrot
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merculiv wrote
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, 2008 at 3:09pm:
Awesome work on that 707 Alrot! Especially if its for SP2!
For all versions of FSX, But so far I haven't heard more complaints about the size of the DDS maps only 3 persons, and it will be done under 2048x2048 again ,perhaps I will include a smaller maps for small video cards..
All paywares are made like this , why should I change it?
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May 20
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Remember a few years back, when aircraft came with two sets of bitmaps for the 2D panels ? 1024 and 640 low-resolution monitors.. LOL
Seriously though.. A computer without a dedicated graphics card really shouldn't be running FSX; so two sets of textures will just make the download that much bigger
(remember when that mattered, too ? )
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May 20
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, 2008 at 9:40pm
Alrot
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Yes ,at least a cheap card...
well the plane is getting better shape
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/alrot7071.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/alrot7072.jpg
I've learned how to Lofting in gmax take a look the window's details
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/alrot7074vc.jpg
the flaps are getting
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/losflapsalrot707.jpg
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/vistadetorre43.jpg
Now ,if anyone knows if these engines (I choice by the originals with the silencer device) if this kind of engines had a thrust reverse machanism ...I'm in trouble with many thing in this plane ,I wish to see the upper console ,the one in the roof in the VC
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May 20
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I've already started doing 707 research.. it's one of my favorite jets..
Cant't wait to add thisone to my hanger
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May 20
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Alrot
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I though you where going to rush away from me this time, I don't know how can you be so patience with me , I can't stand my self
Thanks Brett
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May 26
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, 2008 at 5:04pm
Alrot
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But almost finish
I mean this animation
Take a look the windows (both sides)
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/estosiesarrechonojoda.jpg
Now the magic
Ocus Focus
I mean Ctrl+E
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/estosiesarrechonojoda2.jpg
both windows
I'm in stage 10 ,the exterior is need few more things to be finish ,(Details )
and I think Im going to leave the original Olds engines ,No visible thrust reverse mechanism ,I will try to apply a smoke effects in visibility attach points ..
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May 27
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Very nice Alrot! Good job!
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Jun 3
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Alrot
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After Brett Henderson Fix all the Geometry and its flight Dynamics ,I flow for Hours in my baby ,Its amazing I have no idea what its feels like to Fly a real plane ,The plane Has its windows and a lot of work to do in paint , Fix, VC interior ,but even though It really began to looks like a serious FSX aircraft
It will be for couple days here then I'll put them back here
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1212543594
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Please make for fs9 aswell
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Yes, pretty please!
With sugar on it.
BAe ATP for FS9 now available!
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Jun 6
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Alrot
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OMG!
I am not too good in painting ,In fact I consider my sort of obligation ,and the part I wish to skip it , the background is finish shadows, dirt, etc
Now is this is the easy part I just have to paint and place the shadows on it, but really I'm not too good in paintings, and I don't like to do this part
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Looks good to me
A TWA livery would look even better
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Jun 6
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Alrot
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That's PRIORITY 1 Chief , Not only you want that paint ,other guy from spain By coicidence show me some shots of the same TWA ..
as soon I place gauges and work a little bit more in the VC I'll send it to you back to you make a review ..
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You've found the gauges ? I was wondering about that. I haven't seen some good, FSX gauges for old jet liners. I was prepared to re-do some bit maps, and XML code.
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You could find some good ones from historic jetliners group website.
http://simviation.com/hjg/panels/boeing.htm
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Brett_Henderson wrote
on May 14
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A true, FSX 707 with a VC !!
I'm excited
Yes! With all of his great planes with such complete packages, he is becoming one of my favorite designers
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Jun 16
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Alrot
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I really don't know what is the kind of engines are this ,But I decite to delette this old to these new ones ,actual 707 planes including Travolta's 707 has this type of engine, This would allow me to Paint in newer Like AA and many actual models ,Instead looking those Uglies 60's and 50's paint
Before
http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/Alex707Panampaint2.jpg
Animation in full throlle opens a chains of doors
Thurst reverse mechanism
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Aww shucks.. I like the old classics
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Jun 16
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Alrot
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Brett_Henderson wrote
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Aww shucks.. I like the old classics
I just send you a PM ...well,...
we can keep two models
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YAY !!
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Hi Alex
The earlier engine you modelled look like Rolls Royce Conways....series 420 sold to BOAC, Cunard Eagle, Air India, El Al, Lufthansa and Varig.
The thrust reverser on the second looks odd....were they not still internal?
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WOWWWWWWWWWWW compadre increible su trabajo, esta una belleza ese 707,
really really impressive
Compa un fa que le voy a pedir y se medio mundo tambien, porfa hagase la version cisterna, si quiere le ayudo con lo que sea, pero un buen Kc-137 es muyyyyyyyyy necesario
Y me uno a la peticion pa 2004, ud sabe q el x no es q me corra mucho q digamos
Great work like always
Ps. Que paso con el citation???? le mande mis comentarios hace mucho tiempo y no se que habra pasado desde entonces
Abrazos
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Jun 18
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Alrot
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Its been a while Eduardo since the citation 500 came out a month and few days , two weeks later, I made in two days the FS2004 version..
Its strange you weren't aware this bro , People liked that plane a lot ,I went out beyond my expectations
,Unfortunately the FS2004 version is not as good as the FSX version,but still are more FS9 users than FSX that what my email saids..
here are both link Fadul
FSX
http://www.simviation.com/fsxjets35.htm
FS2004
http://www.simviation.com/simviation/?type=item&ID=83&page=0
we will talk about the Kc after the release the 707 Its all done (exterior ) and interior its 50% made, then we can work on this Military version ,see this is a passenger plane design ,dynamics you know how its this If I loose the focus in this and change the model with a hook to fill gas ,I will become more nuts that I already am
catch you in msm Eduardo
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I had been realllllyyyyyyyyyyyy busy with the work and with my tesis so i forget the fs for a really loooooonggggggggg time
but looks great the cessna i'm downloading she now
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Jun 18
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Alrot
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tenemos que hablar se me olvido decirte para que estes pendiente porque
vamos a hacer una pagina de diseño y FS en general en español
cuento contigo hermanazo
en español aca mismo
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Cuenta conmigo, por cierto, entonces q con el kc-137???
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Jun 18
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read above my friend I edited while you were typing ..
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I really look forward to this.
Only thing I don't like about Alrot planes is, I feel extremely guilty flying payware for free
Keep up the spectacular work Al!!!
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wow she is coming along great alrot
great work buddy
if you still want some paints done gimmie a yell on msn and i should be able to do one or two for you.
the cessna paints are coming along now, picking the project up over the weekend so shouldnt be long now
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Jun 20
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Cheers John
Yes ,I'd like to ,I have made 4 paint but we can add more with the following awnoledgment for you in the read me file of each one repaint you made
example paits AA, TWA,Airfrance, Pan am made by Alex bla bla bla,
Special paints X...X X X and X made by John bla bla bla
you know ..and add This time
Members of Simviations.com
because the plane will be posted only in Simv / you can upload if you desire in other webs ,but the model will be only here..
Ill tell you why in msm
I have a psd a base with dirt ,windows ,shadows , ,all you have to do its create a extra raster and paint then unhide the rest ..please tell me if you want me to send you the paintkit (psd)
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sounds good alex, i know you don't like repainting aircraft but you always do a good job. just send me the files and some pics of what you want doing (real life) and i will do my best over the weekend and the coming week, although im going to try and finish my cessna citation 500 pack first.
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Alrot
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I bet you didn't knew what did I said..LOL
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I still can't believe the speed of progress you've made on this 707! Good work there Alrot. Can't wait to give her a flight when completed. And its always been good to see some screenies of progress.
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Jun 26
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Alrot
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I'm about this close to celebrate myself by
some beers...,something that is for strange reason Its the most weird ,strange ,ugly, rare ,funny thing to shape ,I have spend the 50% of the time trying in all ways ,by lofting by shaping by creating a box ,its the first time I faith something the
Still
doesn't look as the real Upside window ,but definaly it defines at last it qualified as Boeing windows ,No one has any idea how hard was for me to achieve this part ,I still don't understand this shape at all is like a tube is a window in a curve straight twist left right windows...undestand it? if you do explain it to me please
They aren't mapped yet ok ? perhaps they are not visible enough in a shot but here is another tale..
Yipheeeew!!
Yeah I'm overreacting
But if you would see me ,I cry for those Darn window I have spend more time trying to make them than make the hole plane..seriously
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Bueno compa y como para cuando le podre estar metiendo mano a ese kc-137
Its looks really awesome, i have the best pilot for your plane
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Te ando buscando como palito de romero ,Buscame en MSM O en fsnd para lo del KC-135 Rapito porque el 707 esta listo..
The B707 is almost ready
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The VC looks amazing Alrot, very well done. I still think you should put Joan Rivers in the right seat
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Compa suelte ese avion o mas de uno se va a morir, luego sacamos el Kc-137 como una version adicional.
Lo del msn lo veo sobao porq esta jodiendome. mandeme el archivo para q yo lo pueda camellar aca en blender y luego se lo devuelvo pa q ud haga su magia
Alrot release that bird or some people could die in the waiting, after that we can release the kc-137 as a special version
I see the msn complicated because the program is bother me, send me the file, and i began to work with it in blender, after that i send you the plane back, so that you can make your magic
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That plane could pass as payware...... its going to be a nice plane to use my iwear vr920 headset when released
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Contains
STOLEN GAUGES
that ALROT DIDN'T ASK TO USE.
THIS IS BREACH OF COPYRIGHT ONCE AGAIN.
The offending gauge is 707-320.gau created by George Carty for HJG. Alrot nor anyone has asked to permission to use this gauge.
I can't believe this has happened once again, and people think its ok to steal other peoples work
If this is not removed within 24 hours then we shall be seeking legal advice
Disgusted once again
Shame on you Alrot
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^ lawsuits arent fun
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Get a grip dude! They had permission for quite some time so go take your crying somewhere else please. Thank You
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Ben Hartmann wrote
on Jul 11
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Contains
STOLEN GAUGES
that ALROT DIDN'T ASK TO USE.
THIS IS BREACH OF COPYRIGHT ONCE AGAIN.
The offending gauge is 707-320.gau created by George Carty for HJG. Alrot nor anyone has asked to permission to use this gauge.
I can't believe this has happened once again, and people think its ok to steal other peoples work
If this is not removed within 24 hours then we shall be seeking legal advice
Disgusted once again
Shame on you Alrot
Ben Hartmann
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And something worse than piracy is
false accusations
.
Alex is 100% respecter of copyright. He tried several times to contact George but got no respnse or the email g.j.carty@durham.ac.uk I provided was bounced.
Do you know how many aircraft have gauges out there that have been used without 'permission'? More than 80% easily - either because the gauges are of unknown origin or default.
The advice we have used for years with gauges is to try to contact author & if nio response make credits & wait for him to contact if there is a problem. That is the general set way where the author cannot be contacted. It has happened for years in 1000's of cases.
This is NOT a serious offence but rather something that should be peacefully resolved.
Making friction between developers is at least as bad - I would argue worse - than piracy. It can destroy the hobby.
Alex is one of the most honourable and well intentioned guys I know and the way to resolve any such desputed is ALWAYS to contact in a friendly way to resolve.
Making loud & inconsiderate accusations on public forums is damaging to all involved & totally non-constructive.
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I'm absolutely sure no harm was intended. We don't need freeware designers getting scared off for something as insignificant as this (if this accusation is even true).
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This surely should have been a case of a polite e-mail or PM asking a question....not a public forum accusation.
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The advice we have used for years with gauges is to try to contact author & if nio response make credits & wait for him to contact if there is a problem
If there is no contact, then theres no permission. simple.
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And although I like the offerings by UKMIL/HJG I'm exercising a personal boycott. Sorry
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Freeware is what makes this hobby so fun and ineresting. I've contributed my, humble share... so I'm not speaking out of turn.
Keep the big picture in mind guys... We're all on the same team
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JSpahn wrote
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The VC looks amazing Alrot, very well done. I still think you should put Joan Rivers in the right seat
Then how would the pilot fly the aircraft? Ear plugs and blinders?
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I've said my piece too...........
I'm going to go off and join wingz of silence now because apparently its ok to steal!
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And although I like the offerings by UKMIL/HJG I'm exercising a personal boycott. Sorry
No Loss.
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Good, I'm glad we could work that one out without too much banter.
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eerrrr if he has permission to use it without a contract and hes not making money off of these where he easily could I dont see a problem
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Brett_Henderson wrote
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Freeware is what makes this hobby so fun and ineresting. I've contributed my, humble share... so I'm not speaking out of turn.
Keep the big picture in mind guys... We're all on the same team
Precisely. Rather than threats of legal action the easiest way out of this would be to give Alrot an e-mail address where he can contact George Carty to officially request permission to use his gauge. If permission is denied then he would have every right to ask for its removal. However, I really don't see the point of such a high-handed action.
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Alex is 100% respecter of copyright. He tried several times to contact George but got no respnse or the email g.j.carty@durham.ac.uk I provided was bounced.
I have to wonder how much effort was made to contact the author of the gauge. I thought that both HJG & Alrot were sponsored by Simviation so I don't understand the difficulty in contacting any of them. This sounds more like a case of brothers falling out.
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I'm Back on line for couple hours ..
I try to contact him ,I read his Read-me file ,in the read me file is only this Not email
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INSTALLATION: CORE FILES FOR HJG B707 SERIES PANELS BY GEORGE CARTY
===================================================================
PLEASE NOTE: This gauge set is designed for FS2004 use although it can also be used with FSX. It will not function with FS2002 or earlier versions of FS.
Sounds in the newest version of the B707 panels are external files, rather than being part of the GAU files
(1) Unzip all files to a temporary folder
(2) Copy/paste the files in the gauges folder to the gauges folder in your flight sim directory.
(3) Copy/paste the files in the sounds folder to the sounds folder in your flight sim directory.
This gauge set is for exclusive use with the HJG B707 series panels by George CARTY and in conjunction with HJG B707 aircraft models.
I look everywhere and I only found this email witch doesn't work..
Ben Hartmann wrote
on Jul 11
th
, 2008 at 11:04pm:
Contains
STOLEN GAUGES
that ALROT DIDN'T ASK TO USE.
THIS IS BREACH OF COPYRIGHT ONCE AGAIN.
The offending gauge is 707-320.gau created by George Carty for HJG. Alrot nor anyone has asked to permission to use this gauge.
I can't believe this has happened once again, and people think its ok to steal other peoples work
If this is not removed within 24 hours then we shall be seeking legal advice
Disgusted once again
Shame on you Alrot
Ben Hartmann
UKMIL / HJG
Discusted ONCE again?ONCE AGAIN FOR WHAT?!!!!!!,
when was the first time? oh yeah when you acussed me in public too as a thief for stealing your American Airlines 727 vistaliners textures ? Do you want to check the texture of my 727 again?b Did I steal then? ..
a false accusation ,from stealing your textures? remember this was your fault and caused me a lot of issues ..
_______________________________________________________
Now back to the gauge:
This its a freeware, "Ben" I'm not earning anything because of this , ,I name the George as this specific gauge in the read me file..
Why is this war Ben ? HJG can Post the plane because its a brother of my site ,I was hoping to send an email to your site , If you consider well enough to post in your prestigious website..
This is not something bad as a texture or A Sound FROM OTHER AIRPLANE ,THIS IS A GAUGE TO PUT IN A PANEL FOR THE USE OF ANY BOEING 707 ,WHAT IF I USE JUST THE PANEL AND PLACE IN THE PLANE after all you have it in YOUR SITE HJG AS FREEWARE TO BE USE IN ANY BOEING 707..
once again this is a world of freewares a steal ? I'm not earning nothing,Jesus !! You have no Idea what is steal !!! LOOK THE INTERNET AND SEE HOW MANY PLANES ARE STOLEN COMPLETELY AND LOOK YOUR PANELS ARE AVAILABLE IN OTHER SITES ...
i DON'T EARN even a penny cause of it.. ,The name GEORGE CARTHY IS IN THE READ ME FILE !
Bad would be if I would took it from an already made aircraft add-on ..But it came in a 2d panel freeware POSTED BY HJG..
I didn't knew it was from your site ,Someone here gave the link (you can look in this same thread) If I would knew that this was made by you earlier I wouldn't place and use it to avoid issues.
if you insist I would remove the the plane from Pete's server and post it back next week ..there are many gauge similar like the concorde gauges .
BTW there are others gauges inside this VC Not just YOUR gauge BEN..
Ben there are worth Stealing things in Internet , any of your panels or plane can be take and redistribute for sale ..it happends everyday ,why is this war against me ? YES ITS A GREAT GAUGE ,BEAUTIFUL WELL MADE A GOOD FREEWARE THAT MANY WILL JOY IN THE AIRCRAFT TOO. DON'T BE SO SELFISH AND STOP THIS WAR AGAINST ME.
Ben Hartmann wrote
on Jul 11
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If this is not removed within 24 hours then we shall be seeking legal advice
Ben Hartmann
UKMIL / HJG
I wonder how old are you ? Just for the record I'm not in United States Of America , so who are you pretend to
SUE????
the one who FEEDS YOU!!!
you know who I am talking about..Grow Up and step on the ground Dude!
I rather remove the plane and DON't Mess UP with Simviation .
_______________________________________________________.
Thanks Pete ,I edit this post once I read the way this Guy express in HJG Proboard about me, he was very Rude , we can't be polite with persons like this .
Brett My friend take care of FSND until i get back on line..thanks chief
and all people enjoy the plane, Please, I swear for my kid! this Is My gift free to all of you ,and I will continue to improve my models, No matter what...thanks for your support Guys and I think the problem in my area internet connection wasn't a coincidence .. if I have remover the plane will be for short time ,the Concorde FS2000 default has a nice gauges similar to these one..
Alejandro
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WOO GO ALROT
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Alrot
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I just Upload into my website, and add publicly gave credit to George Carthy..
http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/Downloads.htm
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Ben Hartmann wrote
on Jul 12
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I've said my piece too...........
I'm going to go off and join wingz of silence now because apparently its ok to steal!
Wow, what a
class act
...
You have a very strange and warped sense of worth...
Just who
are you
anyway? Are you George Carty? If not, then you have absolutely no stake in this at all, and are simply being melodramatic...
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Guys,
Let's calm this down, there's a lot of hot air blowing around for nothing. If Alex wants to use the gauge in his VC (a compliment to George Carty after all), then why not just leave the location reference in the panel.cfg file, and put a note in the README that the gauge itself can be downloaded from the HJG downloads section? Anybody keen on using Alex' 707 (and who wouldn't?) shouldn't have an issue doing this - it's not as if it's hard work or anything.
That way, there can be no accusations of theft since the gauge will be obtained by the user from the 'right' source (which is here at SimV in any case).
I'm hoping that HJG is not trying to emulate other well-known model designer outfits who are very ... forthright with their views, shall we say, on their own websites.
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Ben Hartmann wrote
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...apparently its ok to steal!
I've had enough of my own material used and abused with no returns, never credited. When it comes to FS it's only really bothered me when I got someone else's permission to include their material and credit was specifically asked for but not given.
I also know the difficulty of trying to contact authors of gauges and, particularly, model files: no answers, defunct addresses, etc.. I've spent not only hours but months trying to track people down.
Stealing? When material is used and no credit to the originator is given, to say nothing of when credit is claimed by the user, then I'd say it's stealing. Otherwise, since this is freeware, they can claim they've given me 100% of the royalties -- nothing, free if not clear.
Boikat wrote
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JSpahn wrote
on Jul 4
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I still think you should put Joan Rivers in the right seat
Then how would the pilot fly the aircraft? Ear plugs and blinders?
He stated the "right" seat -- which is not necessarily one that's in the plane...
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microlight wrote
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Guys,
Let's calm this down, there's a lot of hot air blowing around for nothing. If Alex wants to use the gauge in his VC (a compliment to George Carty after all), then why not just leave the location reference in the panel.cfg file, and put a note in the README that the gauge itself can be downloaded from the HJG downloads section? Anybody keen on using Alex' 707 (and who wouldn't?) shouldn't have an issue doing this - it's not as if it's hard work or anything.
That way, there can be no accusations of theft since the gauge will be obtained by the user from the 'right' source (which is here at SimV in any case).
I'm hoping that HJG is not trying to emulate other well-known model designer outfits who are very ... forthright with their views, shall we say, on their own websites.
if hot airs blowing i think your fans to blame
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Harr-harr!!
That's a cracker!
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I am late replying to this thread but feel I should to make good the name of HJG. I want to say that we are not represented by Ben who had no authority to fire off comments in a way that has caused offence. I am sorry that this has portrayed our group in a very bad light, something which I have always tried to avoid since taking on HJG 2 years ago. Ok maybe if you could not get permission via e-mail then a message or PM in our HJG forum to me or another member of staff would have given you the answer you wanted, but that is no excuse for the disgraceful comments (without my knowledge or permission) that have appeared by someone from HJG.
We pride ourselves on being friendly and an easy group to get on with if we fail to do this I see no point in being a member.
Thanks for taking time out to read this post
best wishes all Tony Madge HJG
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Mr. Tony Madge ,I know HJG is not represented by Ben, and Im sure as the rest of the people who saw this post, sure your site is well know as Prestigious in the internet .
Maybe Ben wasn't bad intentions ,maybe was to protect HJG Property ,and I respect that , I tried to contact George Carthy ,I didn't knew it was HJG Panel see this topic please,the first one
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1210719054/30#30
, I was looking gauges (Is not merculiv fault either) when I was in the middle of the work I realize was Ben 's site, the same guy which we had a strong issue too at the beginning of this year ,and I didn't dear to Login in your forum for not having troubles with him ,so I try to contact G.C. Directly to his email ,but the email I found was not good,didn't work
..
So I did what I consider the best ,to give the credit to G.C in the read me file and now also his name is in my website too
http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/Downloads.htm
Is a problem that will cause to HIMSELF(Ben) a lot of issues in his future life ,he's got to control his emotions and be carefull of what his type ,I read the way he espress about me in your forum ,he's very rude ,and also was with Pete Daly ..
This has nothing to do with Historic Jet Group ,I think this became more something personal between Ben and Me ,which started by accusing me for stealing a textures from vistaliners 727 AA paint he did ,thing that I prove he was completely wrong ,the only thing I stole was the wonderful technique he uses to make the metallic effect on a surface of a fuselage.. ,
Also he was very clear and claim that this hasn't to do with HJG ,that I took his paint and use in my B727 model, Latter he apologize to me,because obviously he was wrong..But I never get too convince about that apology and I knew this will be repeate it again as he claim in this thread
Quote:
I can't believe this has happened once again! Disgusted once again
see why I wasn't too convience about that apology?.
Frankly I feel responsible for all this ,I should log in your forum and ask first ,
we are brother Hosted By Simviation and I 'd like to work together for the benefit of both Mr. Tony..
Anything you need or request ,Please PM me in this forum or in my website's forum
http://alrot.proboards83.com/index.cgi
Thanks you Mr. Tony Madge...and sorry for my poor English
Alejandro Rojas Lucena
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There's an easy way to resolve the unfortunate part of what happened here ....
Firstly .... I am 1 of Tony's 3 management staff over at HJG.
Alejandro is correct .... it's unfortunate that what happened recently, well intentioned though it may have been, was misinterpreted and therefore very badly handled/represented .... I admit .... and albeit without the knowledge/consent of HJG management as Tony has indicated above !
For this I personally appologize to Alejandro on behalf of HJG .... and I also appologize to the SIMVIATION community for what happened here recently.
Alejandro .... por favor comunicar conmigo al foro del gruppo HJG.
Send me .... "AEROFOTO" .... a PM.
I do communicate with George CARTY.
If you will do this then I will see what I can do to try and get the co-operation/approval you were originally looking for .... OK. I know that George can sometimes be very difficilt to make contact with.
Por favor .... disculpeme para toda la molestia reciente.
Muchismmas gracias !
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