Simviation Forum - Another FSX New Proyect!!

Reply #60 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 5:59am

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This surely should have been a case of a polite e-mail or PM asking a question....not a public forum accusation.

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Reply #61 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:17am

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The advice we have used for years with gauges is to try to contact author & if nio response make credits & wait for him to contact if there is a problem

If there is no contact, then theres no permission. simple.

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Reply #62 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:38am

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And although I like the offerings by UKMIL/HJG I'm exercising a personal boycott. Sorry Grin

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Reply #63 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:46am

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Freeware is what makes this hobby so fun and ineresting. I've contributed my, humble share... so I'm not speaking out of turn.

Keep the big picture in mind guys... We're all on the same team

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Reply #64 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:52am

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JSpahn wrote on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 9:42pm:

The VC looks amazing Alrot, very well done. I still think you should put Joan Rivers in the right seat Wink

Then how would the pilot fly the aircraft? Ear plugs and blinders?

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Reply #65 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:56am

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I've said my piece too...........

I'm going to go off and join wingz of silence now because apparently its ok to steal!

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And although I like the offerings by UKMIL/HJG I'm exercising a personal boycott. Sorry

No Loss.

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Reply #66 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 8:03am

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Good, I'm glad we could work that one out without too much banter.

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Reply #67 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 1:40pm

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eerrrr if he has permission to use it without a contract and hes not making money off of these where he easily could I dont see a problem

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Reply #68 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 2:01pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:46am:

Freeware is what makes this hobby so fun and ineresting. I've contributed my, humble share... so I'm not speaking out of turn.

Keep the big picture in mind guys... We're all on the same team

Precisely. Rather than threats of legal action the easiest way out of this would be to give Alrot an e-mail address where he can contact George Carty to officially request permission to use his gauge. If permission is denied then he would have every right to ask for its removal. However, I really don't see the point of such a high-handed action.

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Alex is 100% respecter of copyright. He tried several times to contact George but got no respnse or the email g.j.carty@durham.ac.uk I provided was bounced.

I have to wonder how much effort was made to contact the author of the gauge. I thought that both HJG & Alrot were sponsored by Simviation so I don't understand the difficulty in contacting any of them. This sounds more like a case of brothers falling out. Roll Eyes

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Reply #69 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 3:13pm

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I'm Back on line for couple hours ..

I try to contact him ,I read his Read-me file ,in the read me file is only this Not email

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INSTALLATION: CORE FILES FOR HJG B707 SERIES PANELS BY GEORGE CARTY
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PLEASE NOTE: This gauge set is designed for FS2004 use although it can also be used with FSX. It will not function with FS2002 or earlier versions of FS.

Sounds in the newest version of the B707 panels are external files, rather than being part of the GAU files

(1) Unzip all files to a temporary folder
(2) Copy/paste the files in the gauges folder to the gauges folder in your flight sim directory.
(3) Copy/paste the files in the sounds folder to the sounds folder in your flight sim directory.

This gauge set is for exclusive use with the HJG B707 series panels by George CARTY and in conjunction with HJG B707 aircraft models.

I look everywhere and I only found this email witch doesn't work..

Ben Hartmann wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 11:04pm:

Contains STOLEN GAUGES that ALROT DIDN'T ASK TO USE.

THIS IS BREACH OF COPYRIGHT ONCE AGAIN.

The offending gauge is 707-320.gau created by George Carty for HJG. Alrot nor anyone has asked to permission to use this gauge.

I can't believe this has happened once again, and people think its ok to steal other peoples work

If this is not removed within 24 hours then we shall be seeking legal advice

Disgusted once again

Shame on you Alrot

Ben Hartmann

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Discusted ONCE again?ONCE AGAIN FOR WHAT?!!!!!!,

when was the first time? oh yeah when you acussed me in public too as a thief for stealing your American Airlines 727 vistaliners textures ? Do you want to check the texture of my 727 again?b Did I steal then? ..

a false accusation ,from stealing your textures? remember this was your fault and caused me a lot of issues ..

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Now back to the gauge:

This its a freeware, "Ben" I'm not earning anything because of this , ,I name the George as this specific gauge in the read me file..

Why is this war Ben ? HJG can Post the plane because its a brother of my site ,I was hoping to send an email to your site , If you consider well enough to post in your prestigious website..

This is not something bad as a texture or A Sound FROM OTHER AIRPLANE ,THIS IS A GAUGE TO PUT IN A PANEL FOR THE USE OF ANY BOEING 707 ,WHAT IF I USE JUST THE PANEL AND PLACE IN THE PLANE after all you have it in YOUR SITE HJG AS FREEWARE TO BE USE IN ANY BOEING 707..

once again this is a world of freewares a steal ? I'm not earning nothing,Jesus !! You have no Idea what is steal !!! LOOK THE INTERNET AND SEE HOW MANY PLANES ARE STOLEN COMPLETELY AND LOOK YOUR PANELS ARE AVAILABLE IN OTHER SITES ...

i DON'T EARN even a penny cause of it.. ,The name GEORGE CARTHY IS IN THE READ ME FILE !
Bad would be if I would took it from an already made aircraft add-on ..But it came in a 2d panel freeware POSTED BY HJG..

I didn't knew it was from your site ,Someone here gave the link (you can look in this same thread) If I would knew that this was made by you earlier I wouldn't place and use it to avoid issues.

if you insist I would remove the the plane from Pete's server and post it back next week ..there are many gauge similar like the concorde gauges .

BTW there are others gauges inside this VC Not just YOUR gauge BEN..

Ben there are worth Stealing things in Internet , any of your panels or plane can be take and redistribute for sale ..it happends everyday ,why is this war against me ? YES ITS A GREAT GAUGE ,BEAUTIFUL WELL MADE A GOOD FREEWARE THAT MANY WILL JOY IN THE AIRCRAFT TOO. DON'T BE SO SELFISH AND STOP THIS WAR AGAINST ME.

Ben Hartmann wrote on Jul 11^th, 2008 at 11:04pm:

If this is not removed within 24 hours then we shall be seeking legal advice

Ben Hartmann

UKMIL / HJG

I wonder how old are you ? Just for the record I'm not in United States Of America , so who are you pretend to SUE???? the one who FEEDS YOU!!! Angry

you know who I am talking about..Grow Up and step on the ground Dude!

I rather remove the plane and DON't Mess UP with Simviation . Angry

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Thanks Pete ,I edit this post once I read the way this Guy express in HJG Proboard about me, he was very Rude , we can't be polite with persons like this .

Brett My friend take care of FSND until i get back on line..thanks chief

and all people enjoy the plane, Please, I swear for my kid! this Is My gift free to all of you ,and I will continue to improve my models, No matter what...thanks for your support Guys and I think the problem in my area internet connection wasn't a coincidence .. if I have remover the plane will be for short time ,the Concorde FS2000 default has a nice gauges similar to these one..

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« Last Edit: Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:08pm by Alejandro Rhodes »

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Reply #70 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 3:58pm

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WOO GO ALROT

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Reply #71 - Jul 12^th, 2008 at 6:02pm

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I Love Simviation.

I just Upload into my website, and add publicly gave credit to George Carthy..

http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/Downloads.htm

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Reply #72 - Jul 13^th, 2008 at 12:43am

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Ben Hartmann wrote on Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:56am:

I've said my piece too...........

I'm going to go off and join wingz of silence now because apparently its ok to steal!

Wow, what a class act... Shocked

You have a very strange and warped sense of worth... Roll Eyes

Just who are you anyway? Are you George Carty? If not, then you have absolutely no stake in this at all, and are simply being melodramatic... Roll Eyes

« Last Edit: Jul 13^th, 2008 at 12:53pm by Fr. Bill »

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Reply #73 - Jul 13^th, 2008 at 5:55am

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Guys,

Let's calm this down, there's a lot of hot air blowing around for nothing. If Alex wants to use the gauge in his VC (a compliment to George Carty after all), then why not just leave the location reference in the panel.cfg file, and put a note in the README that the gauge itself can be downloaded from the HJG downloads section? Anybody keen on using Alex' 707 (and who wouldn't?) shouldn't have an issue doing this - it's not as if it's hard work or anything.

That way, there can be no accusations of theft since the gauge will be obtained by the user from the 'right' source (which is here at SimV in any case).

I'm hoping that HJG is not trying to emulate other well-known model designer outfits who are very ... forthright with their views, shall we say, on their own websites.

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Reply #74 - Jul 13^th, 2008 at 7:42am

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Ben Hartmann wrote on Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:56am:

...apparently its ok to steal!

I've had enough of my own material used and abused with no returns, never credited. When it comes to FS it's only really bothered me when I got someone else's permission to include their material and credit was specifically asked for but not given.
I also know the difficulty of trying to contact authors of gauges and, particularly, model files: no answers, defunct addresses, etc.. I've spent not only hours but months trying to track people down.
Stealing? When material is used and no credit to the originator is given, to say nothing of when credit is claimed by the user, then I'd say it's stealing. Otherwise, since this is freeware, they can claim they've given me 100% of the royalties -- nothing, free if not clear.

Boikat wrote on Jul 12^th, 2008 at 7:52am:

JSpahn wrote on Jul 4^th, 2008 at 9:42pm:

I still think you should put Joan Rivers in the right seat Wink

Then how would the pilot fly the aircraft? Ear plugs and blinders?

He stated the "right" seat -- which is not necessarily one that's in the plane...

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