Simviation Forum - F1 GP Bahrain: Your predictions

Mar 31^st, 2008 at 5:48pm

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Round 3 already.. and a more civilised start time for us Europeans

McLaren took the first, Ferrari the second.. who'll triumph this time around? Or will BMW get their first win?

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Reply #1 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 5:49pm

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1: Raikkonen
2: Massa
3: Hamilton

Was toying with putting BMW on the podium again...watch them win now Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:13pm

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I'm amused how the press have it as 1-1 in terms of performance when in reality the ferrari's were super quick at both races just unreliable in oz. I think we'll see that again in bahrain and I am hoping after the straightline tests they ran this week, that we'll see this rumored air tunnel in the nose cone. The idea behind it is very interesting.

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Reply #3 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:17pm

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Being broken in a garage is poor performance in my book... Wink

As for the prediction...

Kubica
Hamilton
Nakajima

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Reply #4 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:21pm

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Reply #5 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:21pm

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C wrote on Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:17pm:

Nakajima

That's bold or brave....

Or have you been on the beer tonight Charlie? Grin

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Reply #6 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 7:14pm

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1.Raikonnen
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Reply #7 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 7:15pm

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C wrote on Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:17pm:

Being broken in a garage is poor performance in my book... Wink

I'd say it's just a case of being typically Italian Wink

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Reply #8 - Mar 31^st, 2008 at 7:18pm

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C wrote on Mar 31^st, 2008 at 6:17pm:

Nakajima

That's bold or brave....

Or have you been on the beer tonight Charlie? Grin

That was the random pick after deciding that I had developed an inablilty to decide who would finish third.

I'm banking on a first corner pile up (triggered by Massa forgetting his left and right again!) Grin

Unfortunately (for me), most of my prediction seem to bank on a pile up... Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2008 at 2:17am

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1. Kimi
2. Kovi
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Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2008 at 3:55am

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Reply #11 - Apr 1^st, 2008 at 11:14am

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Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2008 at 1:57pm

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Raikkonen
Massa
Hamilton

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Reply #13 - Apr 3^rd, 2008 at 12:46pm

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Reply #14 - Apr 4^th, 2008 at 7:11pm

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Raikkonen
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Massa
I'm tempted to put kubica 3rd but Massa has got to finish a race at some point this season.

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Reply #15 - Apr 5^th, 2008 at 8:12am

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grr is all I can say. I think Massa will eat the beemer for breakfast but if he cant get past him at the start it'll be a waste of the speed advantage they have.
Well done to Kubica though. great lap.

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Reply #16 - Apr 5^th, 2008 at 9:26am

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Craig. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2008 at 8:12am:

grr is all I can say. I think Massa will eat the beemer for breakfast but if he cant get past him at the start it'll be a waste of the speed advantage they have.
Well done to Kubica though. great lap.

Nice to see Kubica on pole. Interesting quotes in Autosport this week - both Alonso and Hamilton reckon he's the best driver on the grid...

Ps. Do I get a point for predicting the polesitter... Wink

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Reply #17 - Apr 5^th, 2008 at 10:01am

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No, not until they give a point for pole position in the championship. LOL

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Reply #18 - Apr 5^th, 2008 at 11:18am

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Craig. wrote on Apr 5^th, 2008 at 10:01am:

No, not until they give a point for pole position in the championship. LOL

Of course some championships would give a point to both the polesitter and the fastest lap... Wink

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Reply #19 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 9:24am

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So, if Alonso is investigated and found guilty of lifting and "brake testing" Lewis from high telemetary...

...I'd hope he gets a lengthy sin-binning. Very little more dangerous that you can deliberately do.

Can't see it happening though - where's the next GP? Roll Eyes

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C wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 9:24am:

So, if Alonso is investigated and found guilty of lifting and "brake testing" Lewis from high telemetary...

...I'd hope he gets a lengthy sin-binning. Very little more dangerous that you can deliberately do.

Can't see it happening though - where's the next GP? Roll Eyes

Unlikely to happen. If the stewards do not decide to investigate it then the only way one could be started is by an official complaint from McLaren and they have said that at this time, they will not make one. Still I would like to see the telemetry data.

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Reply #21 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 12:10pm

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well that was fun Grin

Safe to say that was as thought a killing.

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Reply #22 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 12:38pm

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Certainly Ferrari's race. Nice to see Kubica and BMW doing so well though. They weren't a million miles away.

As for the incident (which had very little bearing on the result anyway), maybe it's time for the stewards to investigate all incidents (post race), and for an odd one such as todays investigate the telemetary. Then introduce a red and yellow card system for drivers. If it's bad enough for a red card then maybe a ban would be in order. Certain drivers have got away lightly with deliberate collisions (not saying todays most controversial was deliberate) in the past.

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Reply #23 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 12:49pm

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Alonso and Hamilton: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66448

Make of it what you will.

I'd ilke to know why DC has no-one asking about his move. This is the third time in recent history that he's had someone run into him and not counting the belgium incident, I think its time someone sat him down and told him what those reflective bits of glass on the side of his car are for. It's sure as hell not for shaving that square jaw of his.

I dont think BMW were quite as close as they finished, Kimi backed off after the last pitstop at least 3/4's of a second + per lap while Kubica and heidfeld stayed on the pace. When Kimi was told he picked up the pace just enough to stay ahead still nothing special. But I cant complain if its not Ferrari at the top its beemer I want there until williams are on the pace.

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Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 12:49pm:

Alonso and Hamilton: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/66448

Make of it what you will.

Poor Renault then if the cars performance is that bad that it loses that much ground coming out of a corner! Grin

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I'd ilke to know why DC has no-one asking about his move. This is the third time in recent history that he's had someone run into him and not counting the belgium incident, I think its time someone sat him down and told him what those reflective bits of glass on the side of his car are for. It's sure as hell not for shaving that square jaw of his.

Quite. Mind you, if you ever listen to DC, he thinks he's made of teflon. Sadly I missed the incident as I'd got bored and was watching the rugger.

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I dont think BMW were quite as close as they finished, Kimi backed off after the last pitstop at least 3/4's of a second + per lap while Kubica and heidfeld stayed on the pace. When Kimi was told he picked up the pace just enough to stay ahead still nothing special. But I cant complain if its not Ferrari at the top its beemer I want there until williams are on the pace.

Agreed also. Sadly I fear too many independants have gone now, but the big manufacturers (ie Honda and Toyota, to an extent Renault) need to open their eyes and look to see how you win - with an independant constructor. Ferrari apart (but they have a 50+ year F1 racing pedigree), the most successful current manufacturer teams have an "independant" chassis constructor with decades of experience (ie McLaren and Sauber). For one I wish Toyota would just throw money at their engine developers and Williams.

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Reply #25 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:12pm

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I think renault has been one of the hardest hit teams by the lack of TC. Remember a few years back they had the best traction on the grid, the systems which controlled it all were considered the best especially on the starts. So they are right back to square one, ferrari also had trouble but while renaults system was focused on delivering the power in a smooth curve and basically giving you more traction in the lower end of the band, the ferrari's system was aimed at sacrificing low end low gear traction for the higher speed corner traction which is where they were super quick. Both teams have had to learn to adapt to their weakness. And something tells me ferrari have either found a way to deliver the power more smoothly throughout the band, or their drivers are a lot better at it than the renault drivers. Or Renault have not set their engine map up to give their drivers the right amount of power through out the rev range.

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Reply #26 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:35pm

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I'm loosing a bit of faith in Hamilton. Alonso business aside, he made the worst start of anyone on the grid. I do hope they investigate the incident though. As for DC, didn't he ask for his mirrors to be re-positioned after the Massa incident in OZ?

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Reply #27 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:38pm

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I enjoyed the race, I also agree that DC is ~~causing~~ involved in more than his fair share of incidents...

Massa was supreme today, as was Ferrari in general and BMW look to have caught McLaren up now, they may well end the season second to Ferrari.

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Reply #28 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:38pm

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HawkerTempest5 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:35pm:

I'm loosing a bit of faith in Hamilton.

Why, because he has one bad race. He is lucky it has only been one considering this is his second season and the season has only just started.

Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:12pm:

I think renault has been one of the hardest hit teams by the lack of TC. Remember a few years back they had the best traction on the grid, the systems which controlled it all were considered the best especially on the starts. So they are right back to square one, ferrari also had trouble but while renaults system was focused on delivering the power in a smooth curve and basically giving you more traction in the lower end of the band, the ferrari's system was aimed at sacrificing low end low gear traction for the higher speed corner traction which is where they were super quick. Both teams have had to learn to adapt to their weakness. And something tells me ferrari have either found a way to deliver the power more smoothly throughout the band, or their drivers are a lot better at it than the renault drivers. Or Renault have not set their engine map up to give their drivers the right amount of power through out the rev range.

Or Ferrari have found a loophole regardless of the standard ECU in the rules or in the way the management ECU works. All teams will have been working on the "problem" from day one of the introduction. Maybe Ferrari have found it and the rest are still playing catch up. Saying that Massa has still spun out a couple of times.

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Reply #29 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:45pm

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expat wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:38pm:

HawkerTempest5 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:35pm:

I'm loosing a bit of faith in Hamilton.

Why, because he has one bad race.

To be fair, a bad start. If it had been a normal start Alonso would have been several places behing him when he had the poor turn exit...

As for the start, you wonder if there was a technical snag of some description.

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Reply #30 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 2:53pm

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Every team has the two engine maps, they arn't supposed to have any. The now well known start map which has to stay engaged for 90 seconds and basically delivers a small amount of power throughout the throttle pedal movement, then the race map. I am guessing the FIA decided that it would be impossible to stop this no matter what and have said they need to keep the start map in place for 90 seconds to discourage use. In the end they all use it and just live with less power for the first lap.

I've said for a while as far as Lewis is concerned that he'd struggle without an established team mate. He's simply not experienced enough yet to fix a setup if its not working and the adjustments needed are greater than a tweak of front wing. This is what Alonso did best for Mclaren and Lewis was able to reap the benifits. He's also not as good in traffic as some like to think. He's prone to mistakes through impatience and that was evident a couple of times today. But in both cases I wouldn't lose confidence in him yet, as he'll gain both with experience. I'm not entirely certain his start was all his fault, i've read that something reset itself or he didn't set something right in the car, and as such his anti stall kicked in which obviously shoves it back in neutral and you have to go through the procedure all over again, by which time everyone within 7 places or so is passed you.
Theres all this talk about drivers being the main component now and it being about skills but its not. The loss of traction control while its caused a few problems, in general has done nothing major and lap times are simmilar to last year. The biggest test will be next year when everything really does go back to being basic.

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Reply #31 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:02pm

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Seems that the start was his own fault:
Cut from ITV-F1 about half way down. Hamilton

Lewis revealed that his very slow start, which saw him fall from third to 10th, was his own mistake.

"I messed up at the start as I didn’t hit the switch early enough and therefore had not engaged the correct engine setting, and the anti-stall kicked in," he said.

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Reply #32 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:03pm

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The results:

It's getting close.. but after 3 races Matt has 30 points.. which is the maximum score available in a SINGLE race.

Come on lads, somebody has to get a perfect 30 this season... Wink

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Reply #33 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:05pm

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I must admit I was hoping Massa would spin out and pick up behind Kimi, but in reality looking over the selections we all would have ended up getting the same anyway:) Grin

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Reply #34 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:18pm

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Nice to still be at the top...............unlike Lewis Sad

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Reply #35 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:21pm

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An interesting race, as was said earlier it was very nice to see Kubica and the BMW's performing very well!

Not such a good race for Mr Hamilton, who knows whether Alonso was "brake testing"....

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Reply #36 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:24pm

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cspyro21 wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:21pm:

Not such a good race for Mr Hamilton, who knows whether Alonso was "brake testing"....

Apparently, Renault have circulated "telemetry" proof around the paddock that Alonso was at full throttle when he was hit by Lewis, and Lewis has also admitted that it was an accident.

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Reply #37 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:26pm

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I've PMed Mic with this question, but can anyone else help?

I'm sure Mic had a prediction in this race but it's not here anymore... can anyone else remember seeing it or am I going mad? Tongue

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Reply #38 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:28pm

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Sadly last years problems mixed with the standard british tv/press attitude means, if Alonso sneezes he's done it to deliberatly infect Lewis with the flu.
I don't like the guy never have and now others are starting to see why. But he's a racer and brake testing in a race is something that's likely to end both guys race. Yes he's done it in practice before but thats a differant kettle of fish. Simple fact is the Renault is stupidly slow, the Mclaren is fast that was bound to happen when following closely.

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I've PMed Mic with this question, but can anyone else help?

I'm sure Mic had a prediction in this race but it's not here anymore... can anyone else remember seeing it or am I going mad? Tongue

I thought Mic made one too. Maybe we're both going mad, because I thought it had a silly comment (meant in a funny way) Grin

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Reply #40 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:32pm

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Got to appreciate Lewis' honesty about the start.

Do the two Charlies get bonus points for consistency? 5 points in each race so far! Grin

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Reply #41 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:35pm

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PM from Mic:

Mictheslik wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:30pm:

I'm pretty sure I posted......

Think it was

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Only 5 points anyway....but I don't know why it would have gone....

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I thought so, must be a bug in the forums...

I'll adjust the table if nobody has any objections Wink

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PM from Mic:

Mictheslik wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:30pm:

I'm pretty sure I posted......

Think it was

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Hamilton

Only 5 points anyway....but I don't know why it would have gone....

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I thought so, must be a bug in the forums...

I'll adjust the table if nobody has any objections Wink

That depends if I am going to lose top spot. I may have to refer this to the stewards.............bugger that will be you too Rob Grin

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Reply #43 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:48pm

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Speak to Craig.. he's the "Charlie Whiting" of this comp.. ~~I'm just the Max Mosley~~ Lips Sealed

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Reply #44 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:51pm

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Can't I be bernie and you max? Wink

It's all yours really I'll just be the vocal one with the tall model by my side. Grin

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Reply #45 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:52pm

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Some strange goings on in this part of the forum.....

I guess my prediction of Massa crashing and scoring nil points was wrong then Wink

....I can still be proud with attaining the highest score in a single race Grin

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~~I'm just the Max Mosley~~ Lips Sealed

I would not say that in even in jest at the moment Grin

However speaking of which I am most disappointed not to have seen any good Max jokes in the last week. If anyone has any that cannot be posted here in SimV Lips Sealed

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You dont get the itv feed do you?
I found Martins quick jibe with eric clapton quite funny.

Clapton: yes I'm waving the chequered flag today.
Brundle: have you been practising for that?
Clapton: yeah a little bit, not sure whether it is best to do it with two hands or one hand, what is it?
Brundle: not sure about that, although it is quite a topical subject at the moment.

"so what would you do then?"
"Well I'd get on one knee and wave it like that

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I saw Mics prediction & it clearly said:

1) Mansell
2) Lauda
3) Fangio

Pick the points out of that. Wink

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Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:57pm:

You dont get the itv feed do you?
I found Martins quick jibe with eric clapton quite funny.

Clapton: yes I'm waving the chequered flag today.
Brundle: have you been practising for that?
Clapton: yeah a little bit, not sure whether it is best to do it with two hands or one hand, what is it?
Brundle: not sure about that, although it is quite a topical subject at the moment.

"so what would you do then?"
"Well I'd get on one knee and wave it like that

Grin

I do get ITV by satellite, but only tuned in for the actual race today.......visitors, so missed it. Brundle must have been biting his lip at that one because he can be very quick too.
As for ITV-F1.com, I cannot get any video feed due to not having a UK IP. I have tried a multitude of proxy servers, but still cannot get in. Any ideas?

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Reply #50 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:11pm

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TSC. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:08pm:

I saw Mics prediction & it clearly said:

1) Mansell
2) Lauda
3) Fangio

Pick the points out of that. Wink

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expat wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:10pm:

Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:57pm:

You dont get the itv feed do you?
I found Martins quick jibe with eric clapton quite funny.

Clapton: yes I'm waving the chequered flag today.
Brundle: have you been practising for that?
Clapton: yeah a little bit, not sure whether it is best to do it with two hands or one hand, what is it?
Brundle: not sure about that, although it is quite a topical subject at the moment.

"so what would you do then?"
"Well I'd get on one knee and wave it like that

Grin

I do get ITV by satellite, but only tuned in for the actual race today.......visitors, so missed it. Brundle must have been biting his lip at that one because he can be very quick too.
As for ITV-F1.com, I cannot get any video feed due to not having a UK IP. I have tried a multitude of proxy servers, but still cannot get in. Any ideas?

Matt

Try the autosport forums covering the itv feeds they have some info in there. Wink

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Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:15pm:

expat wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:10pm:

Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:57pm:

You dont get the itv feed do you?
I found Martins quick jibe with eric clapton quite funny.

Clapton: yes I'm waving the chequered flag today.
Brundle: have you been practising for that?
Clapton: yeah a little bit, not sure whether it is best to do it with two hands or one hand, what is it?
Brundle: not sure about that, although it is quite a topical subject at the moment.

"so what would you do then?"
"Well I'd get on one knee and wave it like that

Grin

I do get ITV by satellite, but only tuned in for the actual race today.......visitors, so missed it. Brundle must have been biting his lip at that one because he can be very quick too.
As for ITV-F1.com, I cannot get any video feed due to not having a UK IP. I have tried a multitude of proxy servers, but still cannot get in. Any ideas?

Matt

Try the autosport forums covering the itv feeds they have some info in there. Wink

Thanks Craig, I found a couple of possibilities for next time

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Reply #53 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:25pm

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Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 3:57pm:

You dont get the itv feed do you?
I found Martins quick jibe with eric clapton quite funny.

Clapton: yes I'm waving the chequered flag today.
Brundle: have you been practising for that?
Clapton: yeah a little bit, not sure whether it is best to do it with two hands or one hand, what is it?
Brundle: not sure about that, although it is quite a topical subject at the moment.

"so what would you do then?"
"Well I'd get on one knee and wave it like that

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I want to know which producer muppet told him to go back to talk to Macy Gray. A waste of 60 seconds of the girdwalk. Let him speak to interesting people not celebs who are there out of publicity alone, not interest.

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Reply #54 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:31pm

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She was a guest of Honda and when asked who she was supporting replied "Ferrari".

She'll be at the back of the queue when Honda are looking for their next corporate "celebrity" guest then..

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Reply #55 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:32pm

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Did you notice how hard Bernie worked at stopping him from talking to the crown prince of Bahrain? Pushing him to the first guy then frankie Grin

One thing I want to see is what they do in Nascar, where the announcer talks to a driver on the warm up lap. I know its tougher because there are so many differant tv companies, but each countryman could talk to their national tv broadcaster. So Button or hamilton for the UK and Heidfeld for germany and so on.
I think F1 really needs to get the sport back to the fans, especially now drivers are refusing to talk on the grid. I could understand with Schumi, he was signed to a specific contract with german tv, but even if he hadn't been, he's the sort that would have been surrounded the whole pre race. They need (the drivers) to remember that the fans are still the main reason why they are out there most weekends. Not the guy who owns the label on their helmet or front wing.

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Reply #56 - Apr 6^th, 2008 at 5:38pm

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Craig. wrote on Apr 6^th, 2008 at 4:32pm:

I think F1 really needs to get the sport back to the fans, especially now drivers are refusing to talk on the grid. I could understand with Schumi, he was signed to a specific contract with german tv, but even if he hadn't been, he's the sort that would have been surrounded the whole pre race. They need (the drivers) to remember that the fans are still the main reason why they are out there most weekends. Not the guy who owns the label on their helmet or front wing.

It was nice to see JB and Rosberg be so willing to talk though.

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Reply #57 - Apr 7^th, 2008 at 7:28pm

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ok pat you challenged me:

Whats black, blue, and getting a headlice inspection?

Sorry, this is the best I can come up with for now. I'll be thinking of more as the days go on, although its hard to imagine making the situation any funnier! Grin

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