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Reply #15 - May 9^th, 2008 at 9:21am

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I dont fiddle

I know what I am doing and have been doing it for a very long time even before computer parts were not desigen to 'self' monitor for overheating

As long as temps remain in spec and with modern CPUs/video adapters that provide temp readings along with automatic thermal shutdown.. overclocking is a breeze and you have to really try and burn somthing up with todays hardware. About the only area not 'self' monitored is memory so raising the voltage and speed of memory has risks especially for someone who is not versed or experience in clocking.

There are always risks to doing anything... including getting up in the morning and going to work.

Correct overclocking of modern hardware can net the user 1000 dollars of performance, for next to nothing other than perhaps the cost of a good CPU cooler

Water cooling is overkill. there is only one water cooling unit on the market that will outdo the air cooler Thermalrite 120 Extreme for about 70 dollars with the fan purchases, and the Zalman Reserator XT water cooling system costs close to 4-500 dollars too.

Not worth it

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Reply #16 - May 9^th, 2008 at 11:41am

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Fozzer wrote on May 9^th, 2008 at 7:39am:

I have never been one to fiddle about, when everything I have seems to be working to my satisfaction.... Kiss

Kiss

...!

...as has been said, time and time again, ....

If it aint broke, don't try and fix it...

...and risk trashing what you have already got!.. Shocked

Shocked

...!

Why mess about with something that is working perfectly O.K...

...just for the sake of "Fiddling about"?.... Shocked

Shocked

...!

Paul...I would much prefer to mow the grass...much more practical...Trust me... Wink

Wink

...!

.... Grin

Grin

....!

...I am sure that urinating (Water Cooling) on my trusty Socket A, AMD 2600+MMX Central Processor is not going to improve its performance, in any way, shape, or form!.... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

...!

It's not a matter of fixing what aint broke... it's a matter of using something to it's optimum potential.

Modern CPUs are UNDERclocked, and have built-in thermal shutdown. A Q6600 is DESIGNED to run much faster than it comes out of the box. Part of the reason they do that, is to account for OEM components. Part of it is so they can force people who are afraid to overclock into paying HUNDREDS more, for better performance Wink

Wink

Now.. if you have a Dell or Gateway, you might run into trouble because of budget (junk) motherboards and RAM. But if you've taken the time to select quality components, overclocking is almost expected Cool

Cool

Here's a scenario:

Needed: 3.0ghz, quad-core, 8mb cache CPU

Solution 1) Buy a QX6850 for $1,025

Solution 2) Buy a Q6600 for $200 and overclock it Wink

Wink

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Reply #17 - May 9^th, 2008 at 6:34pm

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My trusty, non over clocked, AMD Socket A Athlon XP 2600+ MMX gets hot enough to slowly fry an egg on it, even with a good quality Cooler+Fan, and loads of ventilation within the case....

...but it runs all my current software programs to my perfect satisfaction....

...equals one happy Bunny...

...!

If, by chance, I should install a piece of software that requires a greater speed from my processor, guess what I will do....

Buy a faster Processor!...

...!

It's what I have always done since my old Intel 486 DX 100 in the distant past.... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

...!

Paul....Zilog Z80... Kiss

Kiss

...now theres an even greater blast from my past. Programming in pure Machine Code!

Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
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Reply #18 - May 9^th, 2008 at 7:14pm

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So.. if you decided to install software that required 3.0ghz, quad core performance (like FSX Wink

Wink

)..you'd pay $1000 instead of $200 for the CPU ?

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Reply #19 - May 9^th, 2008 at 7:38pm

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Nevermind... don't answer that.. we're going in circles.. Cheesy

Cheesy

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Reply #20 - May 10^th, 2008 at 4:08am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on May 9^th, 2008 at 7:38pm:

Nevermind... don't answer that.. we're going in circles.. Cheesy

Cheesy

OOpppsss..

Danger, danger....You mentioned ...FSX.... Shocked

Shocked

...

Grin

...!

I purchased...FSX...on the day it was released in England.
Had to wind everything down to the absolute minimum to get it to work after a fashion....(never had to do that before, with my other FS software)!
Spent most days ever since observing (from a vast distance if possible) all the goings-on in the FSX Forum to get the program to run anywhere near everyones satisfaction.
So my decision has been; do I spend loads of money upgrading all my hardware especially to run FSX..... Shocked

Shocked

.....
...or be perfectly satisfied with what I've already got, (to run all my other software; Games, FS 2004, etc), and give my flying club £100 every now and again on the (very) rare occasions when I wish/get excited enough to sample a proper flight in a real Cessna 152...
...and in between times remind myself that a Flight Sim is really just another computer game....(like it, or not)...and not to take them too/at all seriously... Wink

Wink

...!
I go to great pains to prevent computers, and computer games, from taking over my life...and my Old Age Pension!.. Grin

Grin

...!

It all comes down to priorities, I think you will agree?... Wink

Wink

...I'm good at making wise decisions!...!

Take care, Brett*... Wink

Wink

...!

Paul....time to switch the computer off.....and mow the grass...again.... Cool

Cool

...!

* P.S. ...I'm winding you up, Brett... Wink

Wink

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Wink

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Wink

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Grin

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« Last Edit: May 10^th, 2008 at 7:22am by Fozzer »

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Reply #21 - May 10^th, 2008 at 7:41am

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Yeah..it's a priority and proportional thing. I fly real aircraft several times a week, over long distances; so what I spend on computer stuff is pretty inconsequential.

Since my simming interest goes well into aircraft model design, I really don't have a choice but to stay current. And overclocking allows me to save hundreds of dollars while doing it

But this isn't about how important computer games are too any one of us, or how much we're willing to spend on them. Some people are happy running FS2000 Huh

Huh

This is about overclocking, IF you're comfortable with the idea... it's a very good way (for those wanting to run the newest software), to not only save hundreds, but learn a bit about the inner workings of your computer. I respect that it's not your cup of tea, and have no desire to talk you into trying it.. The only reason I'm trading posts with you here, is that we're in a forum section dedicated to those who want to get the most out of their hardware. This is where I learned how to overclock. I'd not promote the idea, but if someone asks, I'm not going to discourage them, and will be happy to share what I've learned

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Reply #22 - May 11^th, 2008 at 5:04pm

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So in conclusion then, it's not worth buying something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Thermaltake-CL-W0075-Bigwater-735-Water-Cooling-System_W0Q...

Tom

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Reply #23 - May 11^th, 2008 at 7:00pm

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drummer_tom wrote on May 11^th, 2008 at 5:04pm:

So in conclusion then, it's not worth buying something like this? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Thermaltake-CL-W0075-Bigwater-735-Water-Cooling-System_W0Q...

Tom

I wouldn't buy it for a sensible overclocking job.. A good aftermarket heatsink and fan is all you need.

Of course for the fun value in learning and playing with water-cooling, it's cheap tuition..

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Reply #24 - May 13^th, 2008 at 2:04pm

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Stay away from the bigwater, far away!

&&"Float like Pissed-Off Butterfly, Sting like Bad-Ass Bee."

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Reply #25 - May 15^th, 2008 at 1:27pm

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ThatOnePerson wrote on May 13^th, 2008 at 2:04pm:

Stay away from the bigwater, far away!

That doesn't sound good! What's wrong with it?

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Reply #26 - May 16^th, 2008 at 11:24am

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drummer_tom wrote on May 15^th, 2008 at 1:27pm:

ThatOnePerson wrote on May 13^th, 2008 at 2:04pm:

Stay away from the bigwater, far away!

That doesn't sound good! What's wrong with it?

Its garbage, both design and parts quality

The ONLY complete water system on the market that is worth the 'use' (not the money spent) is the Zalman Resonator XT

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/zalman-reserator-xt.html

http://www.zalman.com/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?Idx=185

That only cools the processor too

The only way to really use liquid right and cool everything in the tower is to make it yourself from good quality separate parts ordered online and that takes experience.

You can make a liquid system that will keep things cooler than air, however it is NOT quieter than air cooling and it will cost you, quite a bit.

With the newer 45nm processors and newer designed motherboard... liquid cooling is dead. You can overclock to the max on air now (except extreme overclocks which you dont use for everyday computing)

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Reply #27 - May 17^th, 2008 at 12:01am

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Even the Swiftech systems? I've read some favorable reviews on those.

-Jim

P.S. Overclocking a computer is like beefing up a car. Just because it isn't always necessary doesn't mean it isn't fun! Wink

Wink

Here's the difference: beefing up a car is a LOT more $$$$$$.

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Reply #28 - May 18^th, 2008 at 9:31am

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raptorx wrote on May 17^th, 2008 at 12:01am:

Even the Swiftech systems? I've read some favorable reviews on those.

-Jim

P.S. Overclocking a computer is like beefing up a car. Just because it isn't always necessary doesn't mean it isn't fun! Wink

Wink

Here's the difference: beefing up a car is a LOT more $$$$$$.

Switech is where you can go to buy some parts.. their systems are good too but when it comes to liquid no 2 towers are equal and the user is best served by understanding liquid and spec'ing their own parts list

no matter what, its not quieter than air.. the radiator must be air cooled and that takes fans anyway

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Reply #29 - May 19^th, 2008 at 2:59am

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NickN wrote on May 18^th, 2008 at 9:31am:

no matter what, its not quieter than air.. the radiator must be air cooled and that takes fans anyway

That's interesting you say that, Nick. Many reviews I have red on the WWW have said that it is much quieter than air. This makes me think some of these reviews may be biased!

« Last Edit: May 21^st, 2008 at 3:22am by drummer_tom »

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