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Jan 12th, 2008 at 1:37pm

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I would like to know which of the following would be a better setting for the FSB:

1) 9 x 400
2) 8 x 450

Will the higher FSB speed work better for FSX?

 

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Reply #1 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 11:06am

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Bump.
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:02pm

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I see you do not know much about O/c. Thats ok, many are not in tune, no pun intended.

I am not going to get into a huge post about the right way to clock. What I will say is that if you are not working with the other settings of the motherboard in terms of memory cache and sub timing features, then the highest FSB you can get at the highest memory speed you can do, at the lowest memory timing is what you want.

But as a pro a O/c and Intel I know that is not always the fastest real world clock. With Intel it responds more to a setting known as Transaction Booster and DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL, both need to be used with caution and a good understanding of how electronics work but in a nutshell, with those 2 items tuned I can run lower FSB and obtain higher system performance

Overclocking is an art and a science. It takes years of expereince to learn how to do it, do it right and understand what you are doing too.

For you I would stick to the basics, stable at the highest FSB/memory speed/lowest memory timing and 1T enabled.


 
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Reply #3 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:16pm

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Yeah, I only got into computer hardware and overclocking last year (2007).  I have done a lot of reading on overclocking and understand the basics.  I just don't have the experience.
Fortunately, I have good HW for overclocking.  I can't say enough about this Gigabyte motherboard in terms of stability and forgiveness.

How can I set 1T?  I don't see the option.






NickN wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:02pm:
I see you do not know much about O/c. Thats ok, many are not in tune, no pun intended.

I am not going to get into a huge post about the right way to clock. What I will say is that if you are not working with the other settings of the motherboard in terms of memory cache and sub timing features, then the highest FSB you can get at the highest memory speed you can do, at the lowest memory timing is what you want.

But as a pro a O/c and Intel I know that is not always the fastest real world clock. With Intel it responds more to a setting known as Transaction Booster and DRAM STATIC READ CONTROL, both need to be used with caution and a good understanding of how electronics work but in a nutshell, with those 2 items tuned I can run lower FSB and obtain higher system performance

Overclocking is an art and a science. It takes years of expereince to learn how to do it, do it right and understand what you are doing too.

For you I would stick to the basics, stable at the highest FSB/memory speed/lowest memory timing and 1T enabled.



 

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Reply #4 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:19pm

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I suppose if I'm going to try lower multipliers/higher FSB then I need to bump up the FSB and NB voltages?  For instance, add 0.1 - 0.15v when FSB goes above 430MHz?
 

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Reply #5 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:21pm

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look for COMMAND RATE in the memory area under the manual settings but be warned, the memory must be able to handle that
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:26pm

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raptorx wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:19pm:
I suppose if I'm going to try lower multipliers/higher FSB then I need to bump up the FSB and NB voltages?  For instance, add 0.1 - 0.15v when FSB goes above 430MHz?



I cant answer that for you but yes, usually voltages need to be tweaked up. That does not mean they must or how much needs to be boosted.

Want some advice? Get on the net and start looking up your board and succesful clock setting for the proc and memory you use.

and be advised, some people like to brag and lie about things and at the same time some boost voltages higer than they should just for bragging rights

A good place to look is XtremeSystems in their forums. The boys (engineers) from Intel, AMD, ATi, Nvidia, Asus, MSI, OCz, and the list goes on hang out over there and play although most dont give out names or who they are/where they work.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php
 
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Reply #7 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:29pm

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I have the crucial ballistix DDR2 800 which have the good chips, how's that?

I would lower my memory multiplier from auto (which looks like 2.4) to 2 (which gives me a 1:1 in cpu-z) before setting 1T, correct?

NickN wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:21pm:
look for COMMAND RATE in the memory area under the manual settings but be warned, the memory must be able to handle that

 

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Reply #8 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:36pm

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1:1 is a good place to start. Its not always the fastest with newer intel procs. What you must do is make settings and benchmark, the real world test. its a process and not an exact science. that is why I said its an art and a science

Many claim 1T is not required and does little. The fact of the matter is, it will do little and may not produce the best results if the user is in tune with the memory subtiming and other settings, and they understand the CPU strap and how to manipulate the STRAP in conjunction with memory sub timing. Its a matter of understanding how things work, learn the theory and test it, then make changes to upgrade the results. The production run (date of components and their type) of the hardware can make 2 identical systems run completely different. System A clocks 200Mhz higher than system B of the same hardware.



The numbers that work best for you are based on more than just the brand name and its specs. thos specs are there as a guideline, not set in stone. The corsair forums may also be of assistance. They also post succesful numbers in clocks
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:38pm

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Actually Nick, I spend a lot of time reading about other experiences with the same parts that I have.  That has given me the direction I have been heading in.  But few out there seem to have the knowledge & experience as you and are willing to help like you, and are doing this for FSX.  I try not to post questions until I have searched around for answers first though.

I just don't see a lot of detail on other websites on how to actually read the FSB/NB voltages, only that folks are adding around 0.15v but that doesn't tell me a lot except "add 0.15v".

Also, most overclockers are not running FSX.  I'd want to get advice from FSX savvy people about overclocking.

That website you showed looks like a winner so I'll spend time there reading too.


NickN wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:26pm:
raptorx wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:19pm:
I suppose if I'm going to try lower multipliers/higher FSB then I need to bump up the FSB and NB voltages?  For instance, add 0.1 - 0.15v when FSB goes above 430MHz?



I cant answer that for you but yes, usually voltages need to be tweaked up. That does not mean they must or how much needs to be boosted.

Want some advice? Get on the net and start looking up your board and succesful clock setting for the proc and memory you use.

and be advised, some people like to brag and lie about things and at the same time some boost voltages higer than they should just for bragging rights

A good place to look is XtremeSystems in their forums. The boys (engineers) from Intel, AMD, ATi, Nvidia, Asus, MSI, OCz, and the list goes on hang out over there and play although most dont give out names or who they are/where they work.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php

 

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Reply #10 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:40pm

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Holy Crap that's a good website!


NickN wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:26pm:
raptorx wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:19pm:
I suppose if I'm going to try lower multipliers/higher FSB then I need to bump up the FSB and NB voltages?  For instance, add 0.1 - 0.15v when FSB goes above 430MHz?



I cant answer that for you but yes, usually voltages need to be tweaked up. That does not mean they must or how much needs to be boosted.

Want some advice? Get on the net and start looking up your board and succesful clock setting for the proc and memory you use.

and be advised, some people like to brag and lie about things and at the same time some boost voltages higer than they should just for bragging rights

A good place to look is XtremeSystems in their forums. The boys (engineers) from Intel, AMD, ATi, Nvidia, Asus, MSI, OCz, and the list goes on hang out over there and play although most dont give out names or who they are/where they work.


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php

 

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Reply #11 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:42pm

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raptorx wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:38pm:
Actually Nick, I spend a lot of time reading about other experiences with the same parts that I have.  That has given me the direction I have been heading in.  But few out there seem to have the knowledge & experience as you and are willing to help like you, and are doing this for FSX.  I try not to post questions until I have searched around for answers first though.

I just don't see a lot of detail on other websites on how to actually read the FSB/NB voltages, only that folks are adding around 0.15v but that doesn't tell me a lot except "add 0.15v".

Also, most overclockers are not running FSX.  I'd want to get advice from FSX savvy people about overclocking.

That website you showed looks like a winner so I'll spend time there reading too.


NickN wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:26pm:
raptorx wrote on Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:19pm:
I suppose if I'm going to try lower multipliers/higher FSB then I need to bump up the FSB and NB voltages?  For instance, add 0.1 - 0.15v when FSB goes above 430MHz?



I cant answer that for you but yes, usually voltages need to be tweaked up. That does not mean they must or how much needs to be boosted.

Want some advice? Get on the net and start looking up your board and succesful clock setting for the proc and memory you use.

and be advised, some people like to brag and lie about things and at the same time some boost voltages higer than they should just for bragging rights

A good place to look is XtremeSystems in their forums. The boys (engineers) from Intel, AMD, ATi, Nvidia, Asus, MSI, OCz, and the list goes on hang out over there and play although most dont give out names or who they are/where they work.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php




I think you will find a treasure chest of info there as compared to other places because that is the big-boys playground. When something new comes down the pike that forum is usually the first place to find it.


I am there too but I will not announce who I am. Most of us stay low key so we can play and not get in trouble with the companies we work with/for.


 
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Reply #12 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:45pm

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Thanks Nick.  I think I'm good for right now.  Once again I appreciate your help.

-Jim


 

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Reply #13 - Jan 13th, 2008 at 12:50pm

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You are welcome

I really do not get into ver detailed OC conversations here. This foum is full of young adults who copy what is posted without thinking in hopes of getting some miracle result. Because of that I try to temper the OC conversations I am involved with.

I can not give you specifics about your board. Those voltages are specific to the board and the cooling solution it uses. I always upgrade the default cooling of a MB in some way. Sometimes I just remove the factory chipset HS, clean and epoxy them solid using AS epoxy, other times I add or upgrade the MB chipset and hot IC heatsinks. Being an electrial engineer I know how to spec and upgrade such things based on what I intend to do.


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Reply #14 - Jan 14th, 2008 at 6:33pm

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watch your temps Smiley make sure your processor fan and heat sink is clean, when mine is clean i can run 2.8 stable but once dust builds up it gets to hot to run at the over clock Sad
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 14th, 2008 at 11:10pm

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Indeed.  I have an Antec 900 case with all the fans going full blast-I don't care about noise, I want COOL!  I have to open up the case and blow the dust out with the compressor every week.  You should see the cloud that comes out.  And also it's cool in San Diego this time of year so I'm running my fastest I can run right now. 

I watched my temps closely during my Prime95 runs and it never got above 62 C using the small FFT test.  Idle I'm around 34-35 C, cooler on colder nights.  I so want to push her further but I don't want to push the temps any higher.  And at 1.47 volts (BIOS) I don't want to add much more voltage if any.  Right now I'm at 9 x 430 Mhz for 3.87 Ghz.  I think I'm very close to my max temp without good water cooling and if Intel's voltage spec is 1.5 then I really can't go any higher on that if I want my cpu to last another year at least.

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J. wrote on Jan 14th, 2008 at 6:33pm:
watch your temps Smiley make sure your processor fan and heat sink is clean, when mine is clean i can run 2.8 stable but once dust builds up it gets to hot to run at the over clock Sad

 

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