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Dec 29th, 2007 at 7:07pm

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Sorry moderators you will probably move this but I was hoping the most people would see it here.
I would advise not installing service pack 3 for XP. After I did while I had no initial problem even after a restart. Today when I started up my system I completely lost my video drivers the display only gave me a 4 bit and a 800 x 600 display no other options were available. It also corrupted my McAfee  Anti Virus so it would not work. luckily I had made a restore point before I had installed SP3 and was able to go back to that point. I still had to reinstall my video drivers and reinstall McAfee on my system.
Good old M$ at it again  Angry
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 8:26pm

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Installing SPs for Windows is just like installing SPs for FSX, for them to work properly with the smallest chance of stuffing up you need a fresh installation with no additional programs/tweaks/edits/etc. I would suggest backing up important files/emails/saved games to a memory stick or external hard drive, formatting the hard drive, installing a fresh XP then upgrading to SP3.
 

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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2007 at 8:46pm

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Roll Eyes I told you Gary ,look in the other thread, clearly I did said M$ leave WinXPSp2 alone ,is been fine leave it alone , See ,This is what I mean...
 

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Reply #3 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 12:50am

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Wingo wrote on Dec 29th, 2007 at 8:26pm:
Installing SPs for Windows is just like installing SPs for FSX, for them to work properly with the smallest chance of stuffing up you need a fresh installation with no additional programs/tweaks/edits/etc. I would suggest backing up important files/emails/saved games to a memory stick or external hard drive, formatting the hard drive, installing a fresh XP then upgrading to SP3.


That is a TOTALLY unrealistic expectation for a service pack to an operating system.

How many people do you think are willing to attempt a clean OS install just to apply a
service pack?  With todays systems with programs and data taking up 100's GB's of
storage space and all the various installation procedures for the applications, addon, etc.,
this would ne a MAJOR undertaking for anyone, much less your average, barely computer
literate user.

If an software publisher can't create a service pack that can be installed over an
existing installation without PORKING things as it installs, then that company
shouldn't be in the business of creating service packs or operating systems...

     Paul ....I'll pass on SP3 anyhow, since my XP ion my four machimes does
  everything I need it to do as is....


 

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Reply #4 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:20am

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Agreed Gypsy Baron.  Updates to OS have to be hot fixes. 

Nobody would reinstall an OS just for an SP. 

It would be classified as masochism.
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 11:21am

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macca22au wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:20am:
Agreed Gypsy Baron.  Updates to OS have to be hot fixes.  

Nobody would reinstall an OS just for an SP.  

It would be classified as masochism.



Installation of a service pack absolutely does not require O/S reinstallation unless stated otherwise by the O/S vendor. There are some exceptions though and in the main they have to do with installations that have been mutilated by malware or ill advised system tinkering/badly written third party apps or O/S shell extensions.

Always check the accompanying docs before installation. You may be required to install additional patches or BIOS or driver updates first.

If you have made manual changes to the Windows registry, there is always the chance that something will slip through that causes the update to fail in some way. The circumstances in which MS support regedits are slimmer than a supermodel after a purging session.

Most importantly, always do a full backup and make a system restore point prior to starting work, if it all goes wrong and you have neither of these you are officially stuffed. You should in any event have a rolling program of backups.

Lastly if you're running ripped/cracked Windows, who knows what's going on in there.... Many cracked installations are thoroughly compromised by design of the miscreants who cracked them. I've been asked to take a look at botched Windows installs that haven't behaved in the past and in the majority of cases they have been fine examples of the one eyed, wooden legged, parrot toting brigades handiwork. In short, I've sounded more or less sympathetic and walked away.

Anyone that has hand edited their registry to gain XP Professional functionality from XP Home is also going to run into problems.

In any event, I would never recommend installation of a MS Release Candidate on any PC that absolutely positively has to deliver the goods. I've done a lot of O/S beta testing and RC testing in the past and can only recommend it for PC's that are regarded as none essential, whether in the office or the home. The opportunities for a very big, very unpleasant surprise are just too great to potentially inflict death and mutilation on your main PC.

I do know those who recommend annual reinstallation but if you look after it and feed it correctly there is no good reason to suspect that your Windows install shouldn't last for the lifetime of your PC.
 
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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2007 at 1:29pm

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raisen1964 wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 11:21am:
macca22au wrote on Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:20am:
Agreed Gypsy Baron.  Updates to OS have to be hot fixes. 

Nobody would reinstall an OS just for an SP. 

It would be classified as masochism.



Installation of a service pack absolutely does not require O/S reinstallation unless stated otherwise by the O/S vendor. There are some exceptions though and in the main they have to do with installations that have been mutilated by malware or ill advised system tinkering/badly written third party apps or O/S shell extensions.

Always check the accompanying docs before installation. You may be required to install additional patches or BIOS or driver updates first.

If you have made manual changes to the Windows registry, there is always the chance that something will slip through that causes the update to fail in some way. The circumstances in which MS support regedits are slimmer than a supermodel after a purging session.

Most importantly, always do a full backup and make a system restore point prior to starting work, if it all goes wrong and you have neither of these you are officially stuffed. You should in any event have a rolling program of backups.

Lastly if you're running ripped/cracked Windows, who knows what's going on in there.... Many cracked installations are thoroughly compromised by design of the miscreants who cracked them. I've been asked to take a look at botched Windows installs that haven't behaved in the past and in the majority of cases they have been fine examples of the one eyed, wooden legged, parrot toting brigades handiwork. In short, I've sounded more or less sympathetic and walked away.

Anyone that has hand edited their registry to gain XP Professional functionality from XP Home is also going to run into problems.

In any event, I would never recommend installation of a MS Release Candidate on any PC that absolutely positively has to deliver the goods. I've done a lot of O/S beta testing and RC testing in the past and can only recommend it for PC's that are regarded as none essential, whether in the office or the home. The opportunities for a very big, very unpleasant surprise are just too great to potentially inflict death and mutilation on your main PC.

I do know those who recommend annual re installation but if you look after it and feed it correctly there is no good reason to suspect that your Windows install shouldn't last for the lifetime of your PC.

I agree with you both. I am not about to do a complete format just to install a service patch. And I was smart enough to make a restore point before I did anything. What really struck me as strange was the fact that I did not have any problems after the restart nor the next day. It was two days after the install that the Sugar Honey Ice Tea hit the fan  Roll Eyes I learned my lesson some time ago when following advice from Microsoft I had tried to repair the windows I had at the time when I restarted the system it wanted me to re register windows because I had made to many changes. Microsoft forgot to tell me that so I had to go and buy a full blown copy of windows XP Home. As the system was a store bought system and not a OEM version of windows.  They apologized for the oversight but would not even give me a break in the price which I thought really stunk.
 
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