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Hagstrom & Phidgets & Goflight, Oh MY! (Read 1076 times)
Oct 2nd, 2007 at 9:21am

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Very nice Smiley I've got a spare computer sitting in the closet that I'm going to set up to run the FreeFD instruments. I am also very seriously considering doing basically exactly what you did with the Hagstrom keyboard encoder to control the instruments. I've not actually done any real construction on my pit yet, but I've got a ton of ideas and I've done some basic playing around with making panels out of plexiglass using my 10" drill press. Thus far the results of that have been mediocre at best. I guess practice makes perfect. I really look forward to the day that I get something to interface to the computer and actually make a switch or button do something on the computer. That will be a big day for me.

My basic idea thus far is that I am going to go for a more 'generic' pit instead of modelling out an exact copy of a certain plane. I am going to use my 22" widescreen LCD as the main 3D view, and run two 19" off of the other computer to display all the instrumentation. I am going to mount the 22" at eye level with the two 19" below it at a slight backwards tilt. The only thing I haven't really decided on exactly is how to make all the panel mounts and everything modular and easy to work with. I don't want to have to disassemble the whole pit if I want to change a panel out or something like that.

I'm in no rush though, I've got nothing but time on my hands. Smiley

Thanks for the help!
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Reply #1 - Oct 2nd, 2007 at 11:51am

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While it is a bunch of bucks... just go order the Hagstrom KE 72 and be done with it.  Wink

I can't imagine that you won't find it useful in ANY pit that you might build.  Once it is on-hand, you'll QUICKLY end up putting it to work.  It is VERY simple to set up and use.  Having it on hand also allows you to "play" with switch "make" and "break" macros and figure out what switch layouts will work for that you want them to do.

From my experience, I'd say the first three purchases for the pit would be the KE-72, a Phidgets TextLCD unit, and a single Goflight VRP-166.  That would be a good "kick off" to pit hardware that would allow you to learn a lot and design around it and would only cost something like $400.  That would get you 72 keypress inputs, a two line 20 Chr. digital display for some output, 8 digital inputs (switches other than keypresses), 8 analog (pot) inputs, 8 digital outputs (LEDs) and two functional radios (one physical radio switched to two types).

best,

....................john

PS:  Your decision to go "generic" has just literally saved you probably $5000-7000 or more on the whole project.  Exact replicas typically cost the most to build.  And take the longest.



 

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Reply #2 - Oct 2nd, 2007 at 6:59pm

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Excellent. Thank you for all the info! I have a few random questions though.

1) Do normal toggle on/off switches work with the digital inputs of the Phidgets 8/8/8?
2) How can you get info back out of the flight sim to use with the TextLCD module? I have seen mention of something like FS2Phidgets software. Would it be that?
3) Just how versatile is the GoFlight radio? I don't quite understand how it can be used as 2 radios.

Thanks in advance for answering all these questions. It's always nice to have a mentor when beginning a journey such as this. Smiley
 

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BTilson wrote on Oct 2nd, 2007 at 6:59pm:
Excellent. Thank you for all the info! I have a few random questions though.

1) Do normal toggle on/off switches work with the digital inputs of the Phidgets 8/8/8?


Yes.... so do momentaries and rotary wafer switches and encoders.  Or simply two wires shorted together  Wink.  The FS2Phidget (freeware) program by Alan Dyer allows you a LOT of leeway for configuration.  You can actually download it and the instruction manual and test it.  It comes with "Virtual Phidgets" that allow you to set up stuff as a test even without owning any of the actual Phidget components yet.

BTilson wrote on Oct 2nd, 2007 at 6:59pm:
2) How can you get info back out of the flight sim to use with the TextLCD module? I have seen mention of something like FS2Phidgets software. Would it be that?


Yup...... FS2Phidget again.  For the TextLCD you simply assign the item you want to display in the configuration setup to the line and in the position you want it.  You can have three values per line and two lines.  Total 20 chrs per line.  For example, on one TextLCD that is mounted as part of my fuel management panel on the overhead, on the top line of the display I have the left main, the center, and the right main tanks percentages, on the bottom line I have the left aux tank percentage, the total PPH fuel flow, and the right aux tanks percentage showing.  It is almost as simple as assigning the value from a pull down listing.

On another one (different color display) I have my electrical battery and generator (2 of) amps and volts displayed.


BTilson wrote on Oct 2nd, 2007 at 6:59pm:
3) Just how versatile is the GoFlight radio? I don't quite understand how it can be used as 2 radios.


They are very versitile and VERY simple to set up.  The setup is via a configuration editor that allows you to assign functuions from pull down lists.  The Goflight radios come with three buttons.  The one between the two lcd frequency displays is the "swap frequency" button.  Like a real radio, you tune the right hand "standby" frequency display, and then "swap" it into the active display.  The radios look VERY realistic.

Below those upper displays and buttons are two more buttons that can be assigned to numerous functions from default Goflight pull down lists.  You can have, for example, the right bottom button set to toggle the radio between Nav 1 and Nav2.  Then on the right bottom button you can have the IDENT function toggle on/off so you can hear the morse identifier on the ILS, for example.  Or many other combinations of possibilities for those.  With only TWO VRP-166s you could cover Nav1 + Nav2 and ALSO Com1 and Com2.  I currently use four radios in my stack....... one for Com1 and Com2 (switched) one for Nav1, one for Nav2, and one for ADF.  I will eventually add a fifth to split out the Com1 and Com2 more realistically.  but that is really more "cosmetic" than necessary.   Wink


No problem on the help....... That is what this hobby is all about.  Lord knows I've had pelenty of help from others.

best,

..................john
 

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