Simviation Forum - Payware Companies

Aug 5^th, 2007 at 6:32pm

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I was wondering if someone could list all of the FSX payware aircraft companies, because I only know of a few

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Reply #1 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 10:16am

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Reply #2 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 10:48am

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That list would be way too long and take weeks to compile!

What are your interests and we can name a few...

Some of the big players are:

Real Air Simulations (the RealAir Spitfire may be the greatest add-on for FS ever...)
Carenado
IRIS
Shockwave
Lago
Alphasim
Skyunlimited
Aeroplane Heaven

Two companies I would not recommend:
Abacus (not great quality planes, though FSDS is indespensible)
Ariane (because it is owned by Peter Tishma and that is a VERY old story)

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Reply #3 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 7:35pm

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You can add PMDG to that list (well soon anyway)

Kevin, do tell the story of Peter Tishma, I've always known to steer clear of Araine, but never actually knew why!

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Reply #4 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 7:50pm

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Here we go again... Wink

Back in the early days FS2000, there was a company named Papa Tango software, headed up by Peter Tishma (get it? PT). Tishma decided he was going to corner the market on copyrights for airline liveries and kill all freeware while he was at it, so hewent into negotiations with American Airlines for the sole use of their logos. Mind you, this was not just payware, but freeware use as well. Letters of Cease and Desist were sent out to all major sites telling them to remove all freeware models with the AA livery on them, and a panic set in. Sites sprang up overnight dedicated to distributing AA planes, the forums were buzzing with rumors of where to get AA planes before they were all gone for good. The rumors spread that United was next and that soon every airline would be under the control of some payware guru. The AA flap was not his only scam, which included ripping off other developers, but I fail to remember the others right now.

The whole fight coalesced around Avsim (taking the side of the freeware community) and Flightsim (who took the side of Peter Tishma). Avsim fought the good fight and pretty much won the day; they weren't the buttheads they are now, back then. The only place you can find Ariane products anymore is through Flightsim. The whole incident was probably the darkest hour ever for the entire FS community and even today, you don't find near as many American Airlines liveries around. Tishma tried several companies which went out of business when people discovered who was running them before enough people forgot about him and Arianne was able to succeed. Flightsim got a big black eye out of the thing, and except for their continued support for Arianne, is back in the FS world's good graces. I have spoken to Nels Anderson several times and he really is an all right sort..

So stay away from Arianne...

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Reply #5 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 8:06pm

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kevin wrote on Aug 6^th, 2007 at 7:50pm:

Here we go again... Wink

Back in the early days FS2000, there was a company named Papa Tango software, headed up by Peter Tishma (get it? PT). Tishma decided he was going to corner the market on copyrights for airline liveries and went into negotiations with American Airlines for the sole use of their logos. Mind you, this was not just payware, but freeware use as well. Letters of Cease and Desist were sent out to all major sites telling them to remove all freeware models with the AA livery on them, and a panic set in. Sites sprang up overnight dedicated to distributing AA planes, the forums were buzzing with rumors of where to get AA planes before they were all gone for good. The rumors spread that United was next and that soon every airline would be under the control of some payware guru. The AA flap was not his only scam, but I fail to remember the other right now.

The whole fight coalesced around Avsim (taking the side of the freeware community) and Flightsim (who took the side of Peter Tishma). Avsim fought the good fight and pretty much won the day; they weren't the buttheads they are now, back then. The only place you can find Ariane products anymore is through Flightsim. The whole incident was probably the darkest hour ever for the entire FS community and even today, you don't find near as many American Airlines liveries around. Tishma tried several companies which went out of business when people discovered who was running them before enough people forgot about him and Arianne was able to succeed. Flightsim got a big black eye out of the thing, and except for their continued support for Arianne, is back in the FS world's good graces. I have spoken to Nels Anderson several times and he really is an all right sort..

So stay away from Arianne...

Wow

Considering he is a designer FOR the FS community that seems like a pretty piss-poor way to gain popularity. I don't see what he thought he would achieve. I severely doubt people would pay him simply for textures to apply to freeware aircraft. I for one sure as hell wouldn't!
In all honesty I am surprised that the FS community has let this one 'disappear' (relatively speaking) from history. I would have thought a number of people would still be actively discouraging buying from Ariane and explaining the story behind it. So far I have only heard comments such as "I don't like Ariane and their designers attitude" without a full explanation.

From what I gather anyway their products are over-priced for what the provide. Has Peter Tishma ever shown remorse for what he did? Huh

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Alex

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Reply #6 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 8:08pm

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Google his name and you'll find enough about him to fill a book... Tongue

http://www.avsim.com/pages/0902/pt_again.html

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Reply #7 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 8:26pm

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Ahh

People like him do make you wonder about the sanity of mankind. Why try and destroy something that you are planning to make a business from. I'm 99.99% sure that if the freeware community wasn't as strong as it now, flightsim wouldn't be anywhere near the popularity that it is today. I guess only around 30% (at the most) of people who use flightsim buy payware, and of them I doubt that none have less than 40% of their addon's as freeware products!

Obviously time and money would be needed but I think it would be great if a team of Lawyers brought down Ariane as a Breach of the UK bankruptcy laws, and finally but this b*gger out of business for good. Angry

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Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 8:49pm

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kevin wrote on Aug 6^th, 2007 at 7:50pm:

Here we go again... Wink

Back in the early days FS2000, there was a company named Papa Tango software, headed up by Peter Tishma (get it? PT). Tishma decided he was going to corner the market on copyrights for airline liveries and kill all freeware while he was at it, so hewent into negotiations with American Airlines for the sole use of their logos. Mind you, this was not just payware, but freeware use as well. Letters of Cease and Desist were sent out to all major sites telling them to remove all freeware models with the AA livery on them, and a panic set in. Sites sprang up overnight dedicated to distributing AA planes, the forums were buzzing with rumors of where to get AA planes before they were all gone for good. The rumors spread that United was next and that soon every airline would be under the control of some payware guru. The AA flap was not his only scam, which included ripping off other developers, but I fail to remember the others right now.

The whole fight coalesced around Avsim (taking the side of the freeware community) and Flightsim (who took the side of Peter Tishma). Avsim fought the good fight and pretty much won the day; they weren't the buttheads they are now, back then. The only place you can find Ariane products anymore is through Flightsim. The whole incident was probably the darkest hour ever for the entire FS community and even today, you don't find near as many American Airlines liveries around. Tishma tried several companies which went out of business when people discovered who was running them before enough people forgot about him and Arianne was able to succeed. Flightsim got a big black eye out of the thing, and except for their continued support for Arianne, is back in the FS world's good graces. I have spoken to Nels Anderson several times and he really is an all right sort..

So stay away from Arianne...

I am surprised I have never heard this. Seems like it is little known for such a big event.

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Reply #9 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 8:57pm

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kevin wrote on Aug 6^th, 2007 at 10:48am:

That list would be way too long and take weeks to compile!

What are your interests and we can name a few...

Some of the big players are:

Real Air Simulations (the RealAir Spitfire may be the greatest add-on for FS ever...)
Carenado
IRIS
Shockwave
Lago
Alphasim
Skyunlimited
Aeroplane Heaven

Two companies I would not recommend:
Abacus (not great quality planes, though FSDS is indespensible)
Ariane (because it is owned by Peter Tishma and that is a VERY old story)

Mostly GA, and WWII military planes, but sometimes modern airliners Tongue

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Reply #10 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 9:31pm

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Ravang wrote on Aug 6^th, 2007 at 8:57pm:

Mostly GA, and WWII military planes, but sometimes modern airliners Tongue

For WWII planes try here. http://www.shockwaveproductions.com/store/

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Reply #11 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 10:13pm

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Try Flight1 or JustFlight... Wink

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Reply #12 - Aug 6^th, 2007 at 11:14pm

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Don't forget Aerosoft. Their AES services package is an absolute MUST HAVE for FS2004.

And FlyTampa for their airports.

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Reply #13 - Aug 8^th, 2007 at 7:11am

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No one has mentioned Captain Sim? Tsk tsk.

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Reply #14 - Aug 9^th, 2007 at 8:52pm

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Everything you need!

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