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Jul 26th, 2007 at 11:25am

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..but not new to FS9 Grin
Hi Guys and Gals.
Can someone please tell me where and when I need to be to allow me to see this AI I have added. The planes appear in my FS9 aircraft menu, but so far I have not seen them in the air or on the ground at the appropriate Airfields.

AC#1,ZH101,1%,WEEK,IFR,1/07:59:32,1/08:56:08,240,F,0015,LFOA,1/11:13:57,1/11:53:
19,240,F,0015,LFMI,1/14:06:13,TNG1/15:29:53,210,F,0015,LFBM,1/15:29:53,1/16:44:5
6,310,F,0015,EGXW,2/05:29:04,2/07:17:21,310,F,0015,LIRE,2/10:44:04,2/12:10:12,31
0,F,0015,LGSA,2/13:58:29,TNG2/15:24:37,110,F,0015,LGSA,2/15:24:37,2/15:39:23,060
,F,0015,LGSA,3/08:56:40,3/12:03:41,370,F,0015,LPMR,3/14:54:44,TNG3/17:44:32,310,
F,0015,EGXW,3/17:45:46,3/18:00:32,310,F,0015,EGXW,4/14:29:46,4/18:12:29,350,F,00
15,LTCC,5/09:43:57,5/10:49:10,250,F,0015,LTBI,5/13:11:54,5/16:09:05,370,F,0015,E
GXW

I notice the flights are "weekly" but on what day? Are the times quoted local times or GMT?

The AI package is; UKMIL AI RAF 8 & 22 SQN Sentry AEW.1 Package

Any help appreciated.

Zaphod.

ps.
There are actually 7 flights included in the package. I have only copied the first. Wink
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 4:21pm

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The days in 'week' flightplans are 0 thru 6..Sunday thru Saturday.... 1/07:59:32 = Monday at 07:59:32
The flight plan originates from (and eventually ends at) the last airport in the line, EGXW. Times are GMT.

The first leg of this flight plan would be: Depart EGXW Monday at 07:59GMT and arrive LFOA Monday at 08:56GMT.

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Reply #2 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 4:40pm

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Thanks for the reply Dave..
It seems I have a problem as the Aircraft doesn't appear at the mentioned time.
I know the Aircraft are ok as they are in the aircraft menu, (I've even flown one). I'll check everything else and get back to you.

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Reply #3 - Jul 26th, 2007 at 10:12pm

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Think I found the same download (ukmilai_raf_sentry_aew1.zip at Avsim). So far checking thru it everthing appears ok, tho I haven't flown it yet..

Have you  installed an Afcad upgrade for Waddington? The default airport has no parking (common with military bases in FS9) so no ai can land/park.

Dave

Append: I've confirmed that the ac and flightplans work by adding parking. All airports in the first flightplan are military and will probably need parking. I'm guessing it is the same for the rest.
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 6:06am

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Thanks Dave.
I added some parking to Waddington using Afcad and sure enough a veritable fleet of AWACS has appeared. The trouble is they don't seem over inclined to do anything. Is this because all of the other airfields will need to be modified to give them somewhere to go?
Did you actually find an Afcad for Waddington or did you do as I have done?
One other strange thing I have noticed. If I change the time using the menu in FS9 an aircraft "appears" between 07.54 and 07.55 but if a wait in real time nothing happens.

Thanks for the help so far.

Zaphod Wink
 

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Reply #5 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 8:01am

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1) Not moving: did you  connect your parking to the existing taxiways? (In Afcad, use the Tools>Fault finder to check for errors)
2) Aircraft 'appearing': When you change time the sim loads traffic for that time.

Afcads: UK Military AI is the creator of this package and many more. On the downloads page follow the link for Afcads. To install, download the 5 files. Create a new folder, UKMilitary (or whatever you prefer) with a scenery subfolder. Copy or move  all the downloaded files to the scenery subfolder in this order: Default scenery, UK2000, VFR, Waypoints and finally latest updates. Overwrite when prompted. Alternately, you could just install the files associated with the airports required for the AI package(s) you have installed.

Activate the new 'scenery' in the FS Scenery Library.

If you have other scenery installed for any of the airports you may see conflicts, so you'll have to decide which you want to use.  Make sure there is only 1 addon Afcad for each airport.

The scenery doesn't include several of the destination airports for the Waddington AI package. We'll have to work on that. Most of the the AI will still arrive and depart Waddington as scheduled.

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Reply #6 - Jul 27th, 2007 at 8:46am

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Dave.
I have moving aircraft!
I followed your instructions and downloaded the files from UK Miliatary AI and installed them. I then went to Waddington at 7:58 on a Monday morning and sure enough I have 4 AWACS on their stands. I then noticed that one of them had no wheel chocks or engine covers. After a minute or two it pushed back and taxied to the runway and departed! Not sure where it went but at least I have movement.

Cheers.

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Reply #7 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 10:50am

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Well...
I thought I had this sorted with Daves help but alas no! I can watch aircraft taxi and takeoff from their respestive bases as per their flight plans, but I can't watch them land! They just suddenly appear on their stands at the correct times. I've even tried arriving 15mins before sheduled touchdown.
Whats even stranger is I managed to follow a flight from one air base to another and it landed and taxied perfectly!

Any ideas?

Thanks

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Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 11:01am

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Does this happen with all flights arriveing at Waddington?  What happen if you wait at one of the other airports for an arrival?

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Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 11:07am

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I've tried it at several of the British air bases as these were the Afcads I downloaded. I haven't seen a single landing, but the planes do "appear" suddenly at their hardstands. I thought at first it might have something to do with the parking not being linked to the taxiways as you mentioned earlier, but I assume if that were the case the planes wouldn't be able to taxi to takeoff?

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Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 11:11am

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It could be a timing issues in the flight plans. I'll see what I can find.

Might take a while.   Tongue   Smiley

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Reply #11 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 11:16am

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Cheers Dave.

No rush Grin

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Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2007 at 12:34pm

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Dave, I think you may be right, that it is a timing issue. I just did the flight AC#3, EGVA to EGXW. The AWACS started to taxi on time but didn't reach EGXW untill 8:14 when it should have arrived at 7:55. I was following all the way in a Voight Corsair.
Not quite sure how to resolve this other than re-writing the entire flight plans and I'm not about to do that!

Best
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Reply #13 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 8:53am

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I may take a crack at re-doing the flightplans. I enjoy fixing things that are broke'...   Wink

The aircraft*.txt has the cruise speed way to high. This results in the calculated leg times being to short for the ac, as you witnessed, and therefore not enough time for proper 'turnaround' between legs.

I'll also limit destinations to those that have parking provided in the Afcads or default airports as I haven't found any Afcads for the Lxxx bases.

Dave





 

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Reply #14 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 9:12am

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Dave, you're a star!
Look forward to the results. I'm sure I won't be the only one to benefit.

Thanks again.
Zaphod. Wink
 

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Reply #15 - Jul 31st, 2007 at 12:44pm

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Zaphod,

I made a mistake concerning the Ukmil afcad downloads to install.   Lips Sealed

Erase the files in Ukmil scenery folder you created. Reinstall only the files from the 'Default_Scenery', the 'VFR_Scenery' and the 'Latest_Afcad Changes', in that order.

Do not install the UK2000 or the Waypoints files.  In particular the UK2000 files place duplicate Afcad files which may be part of the problem.

With that change and a recompile of the traffic file with new ac cruise speeds, I've had a couple of successful arrivals, at EGXW and LFOA. Of course the ac arriving at LFOA dissappeard after landing because of no parking, but it's a start     Wink

Dave

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