Simviation Forum - Another display-teams poll

Reply #15 - May 28^th, 2007 at 10:52am

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spitfire boy wrote on May 28^th, 2007 at 4:24am:

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there hardly likely to use a frontline fast jet in such large numbers, the costs would be extremely high.

The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels use front-line jets - however, I'm not in agreement that that's a good thing - too much speed, not enough agility. I just wanted to know what everybody else thought.

As Hagar right states, they fly a completely different display. Besides, the American air arms have a lot more money to play around with than the RAF, they can afford to operate expensive front line fighters in that manner.

But still they don't get that much of a choice in what they get, the frontline squadrons get all the new aircraft and the display teams get whats left

That isn't true at all. The RAF likes to show off it's jet trainer aircraft because it's cheaper and also shows how good the aircraft all our (well, most) frontline pilots fly at some point. They got the Hawk because it was the Gnat replacement and a superior aerobatic aircaft. A display in a front line jet would also be a lot less dynamic with large repositioning times (look at the Thundebirds for one).

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Reply #16 - May 29^th, 2007 at 5:31am

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As also stated by Hagar, 13 aircraft. Money aside, cutbacks mean finding 13 aircraft all perfectly serviceable and actually free to use for the entire year is difficult. The Hawk is readily available and sort of pleanty to spare.

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Reply #17 - May 29^th, 2007 at 7:33am

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"Red Arrows To Use F-35"
"Small Australian 12yr Old Predicts Apocalypse"

"Red Arrows To Use Big Clunky EF-2000"
"Small Australian 12yr Old Predicts The Loss Of A Pilot"

'Nuff Said.

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Reply #18 - May 29^th, 2007 at 7:52am

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"Red Arrows To Use F-35"
"Small Australian 12yr Old Predicts Apocalypse"

"Red Arrows To Use Big Clunky EF-2000"
"Small Australian 12yr Old Predicts The Loss Of A Pilot"

'Nuff Said.

On the contrary, I think there's a lot to be said, like what on earth that all means? Huh

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Reply #19 - May 29^th, 2007 at 9:55am

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"Red Arrows To Use F-35"
"Small Australian 12yr Old Predicts Apocalypse"

"Red Arrows To Use Big Clunky EF-2000"
"Small Australian 12yr Old Predicts The Loss Of A Pilot"

'Nuff Said.

Fair point, well made Wink

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Reply #20 - May 29^th, 2007 at 10:09pm

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spitfire boy wrote on May 28^th, 2007 at 4:24am:

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there hardly likely to use a frontline fast jet in such large numbers, the costs would be extremely high.

The Thunderbirds and Blue Angels use front-line jets - however, I'm not in agreement that that's a good thing - too much speed, not enough agility. I just wanted to know what everybody else thought.

As Hagar right states, they fly a completely different display. Besides, the American air arms have a lot more money to play around with than the RAF, they can afford to operate expensive front line fighters in that manner.

But still they dont get that much of a choice in what they get, the frontline squadrons get all the new aircraft and the display teams get whats left

Well with the Blue Angles still flying the F/A-18A that is true. Same goes for the Swifts and their MiG-29s. The Thunderbirds changed to the F-16C when the rest of the USAF (minus F-16A-Block-15 ADF Squadrons) changed from the old F-16A. And the Reds NEED to keep those Hawks until I see them atleast once.

How long have the Patruele de Suisse (Really bad spelling) used the F-5? And does Austrailia have a display team?

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Reply #21 - May 30^th, 2007 at 2:23am

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Yes Viggen, we have the Roulettes. Quite pathetic aircraft if you ask me, we are using Pilatus PC-12s.

Heathaze, those are two hypothetical newpaper titles, incase the Red Arrows end up choosing either the EF-2000 or the F-35. I am alluding to the fact that, if they choose the EF-2000, it will be too big (See F-4 Phantom for the Thunderbirds) and they will have a collision. If they choose the F-35...well, thats not gonna happen, they use British planes. In the case that they choose the F-35...well. The apocalypse is coming! Run/fly for your life!

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Reply #22 - May 30^th, 2007 at 5:10am

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I can see where you're coming from, An-225, but a couple of things;

The Typhoon is a very agile aircraft, and it can hold 9g's for extended periods, unlike an F-15 or F-16. I saw that on a documentary, I'm not just making it up. You are right though, it may well be too big to use for the Red Arrows' style of display.

The F-35 is part British - BAE systems have a major share in production, and Rolls-Royce are one of the engine suppliers. It is unlikely that the Reds will ever use them, that is true enough. What really fascinates me is the potential of displaying with a supersonic VTOL aircraft - much like the F-35B. Don't you agree, that if any display team ever has the guts to start using them (unlikely) the results could be nothing short of mind-blowing? Wink

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Reply #23 - May 30^th, 2007 at 5:40am