Simviation Forum - IMPORTANT No "clean installs" with VISTA upgrade

Reply #15 - Feb 1^st, 2007 at 1:33pm

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The problem is, when using the VISTA upgrade,you have to forfiete yor XP license.

You did not have to forfiete your 9X license when upgreding to XP. This is the difference.

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Reply #16 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 4:15am

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Why bother upgrading from an old system if you can do a clean install if you spend a few $$ more

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Reply #17 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 1:42pm

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I found this comment in another fourm........

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MS never said that you couldn't do a clean install -- the comments stating otherwise were misinterpretations of what MS posted (which was understandably confusing). In fact, it's been stated for months that you may be required to do a clean install, depending on what OS version you're upgrading from. The only thing we learned is that a "clean" install still requires you to have a fully working installation of an old OS. So now, we always have to go through the installation procedure for an old OS, only to have the Vista installation immediately wipe it out and start over, just for the sake of verifying upgrade eligibility.

This is what most of the complaints are about -- why should I have to completely install XP or 2000, just to have Vista immediately delete it? Worse, since 2000 has no activation, installing the entire OS doesn't give Vista any more information than inserting the disk during the installation would have -- as far as I understand it, nothing is preventing someone from installing an illegal copy of 2000 and then upgrading to Vista, so I fail to see how this ridiculous upgrade procedure accomplishes anything other than wasting everyone's time.

Also, what about a copy XP "corporate" which does not even require activation?
This new upgrade procedure does nothing more than inconvienence honest VISTA upgrade purchasers while doing nothing to eliminate piracy!

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Reply #18 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 7:25pm

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The operant word here is "upgrade". If you have XP on an existing machine and you want to "upgrade".....the cheaper upgrade packager overwrites the Xp installation and turns it into the Vista current version. You get a discount for being a repeat customer.

If you have a NEW system...... you buy the full price version of Vista. As you would expect for a single purchase for a new machine.

It seems to me this has been the INTENT of an "upgrade" all along. Not something that allows you to get a discount AND also run the old software on another machine. It just seems to me that Microsoft tightened up the security on their upgrade products.

Nothing wrong with that. Don;t like it........... buy Linux.

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Reply #19 - Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 7:43pm

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Of course, if you have that copy of XP running on two machings, simply upgrading to Vista on one isn't going to make XP stop working on the other.

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Reply #20 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 2:04am

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Woodlouse2002 wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2007 at 7:43pm:

Of course, if you have that copy of XP running on two machings, simply upgrading to Vista on one isn't going to make XP stop working on the other.

Yes, but consider this......

If you do install XP on a second maching (and activate) it just to install the VISTA upgrade, you are violating your XP license by having XP installed and activated on two machines. Wink

Also, how do we know that if we have to reformat XP on the old sys, that the XP key number is no longer valid to be activated.

MS does seen to be backtracking a bit on the upgrade procedures by publicizing the work-around.
Evidently, they realized that they are encouraging people to use a pirated copy of 2000 or XP corporate due to the new, contrived, upgrade procedures.

OEM VISTA $120
Retail VISTA - full $239

$239 for what? A $119 manual? Shocked

There is obviously a huge markup on the retail vers.

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Reply #21 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 5:11am

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It used to be that you could use the upgrade version and thus, get a discounted version of the new OS, and it did not matter if the current OS was a valid copy or not. You could rip off someone else Win 98/NT/2000 and put a brand new legally purchased copy of XP in on top of it.

Obviously Microsoft wants to put a stop to that practice.

If you do not have a valid copy of an OS, then you SHOULD have to pay for the full install if you want it.
If you have a valid copy of 2000 or XP, then activate it, and upgrade. Whats the big deal?\

I am not a big M$ booster, but I do accept the fact that M$ is a business, and they are making and distribuing this product for the purpose of turning a profit. Bill Gates may have a charity, Microsoft is not its name.

I also accept that it is not profitable on for a software manufacture to make everything 100% backwards compatible.

That's is why NO MATTER WHAT MS DO!! Piracy will find the way , and will be like in Win Xp ,win98 again VISTA will be fixed or trick by this hackers , and will be used by more than a half around the world,I don't support PIRACY, but due to the ridiculois in FSX activation stuff and now this ,people will prefer the ILLEGAL stuffs, NOT ME! I ll stay in Xp....Microsoft is Not helping anything against it...

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Reply #22 - Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 10:11pm

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From the VISTA Updrade EULA:

"13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."

So......
You have to install XP and activate it to install the VISTA upgrade.
Now, you can no longer use XP..... right?

OK......
So what about a reformat?
First you have to install XP and activate it again.
However, acording to MS and the VISTA EULA, your XP is no longer valid and should not be able to be actived anymore, right?
So, how do you reinstall the VISTA upgrade? Huh

I sincerely hope that MS thought out VISTA a bit better than the VISTA upgrade EULA and its corresponding upgrade prcedures! Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Feb 5^th, 2007 at 8:44am

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Keep It Simple wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2007 at 10:11pm:

From the VISTA Updrade EULA:

"13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from."

So......
You have to install XP and activate it to install the VISTA upgrade.
Now, you can no longer use XP..... right?

OK......
So what about a reformat?
First you have to install XP and activate it again.
However, acording to MS and the VISTA EULA, your XP is no longer valid and should not be able to be actived anymore, right?
So, how do you reinstall the VISTA upgrade? Huh

I sincerely hope that MS thought out VISTA a bit better than the VISTA upgrade EULA and its corresponding upgrade prcedures! Roll Eyes

Number 13 says that you may no longer USE the prior version of XP. It does not say that you may not re-install it in order to reinstall the Vista upgrade.

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Reply #24 - Feb 6^th, 2007 at 2:39am

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If you reinstall XP, aren't you "using it"?

It's all academic anyway as MS seems to be back tracking a bit on the UG procedures evidently due to their contrived and contradictary nature.

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Reply #25 - Feb 8^th, 2007 at 6:17pm

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There is a way to do a clean install of install Vista Upgrade without having to install XP or 2000. It is also possible to install Vista Upgrade with any previous version of Windows OS. The question is whether or not you feel it is ethical to do so.

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